Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56

caveat emptor wrote:

Whoever came with the idea that HAS are not needed, should be tried for treason. Value of lost planes  dwarves cost of said shelters.
I guess higher priority was to spend money on celebrating birthdays for their hookers in Paris or Dubai or building umpteenth dacha in Rublyovka.

The Russians have lost numerous aircraft to high profile airfield strikes and this shit has been going on since 2022,

and in the case of MiG-31s, currently irreplaceable) aircraft.

It's nothing more than absolutely inexcusable incompetence at this point. Building a concrete shelter is not hard, and its not expensive.

Does Ukraine have uncharted Airbases? I don't see how NATzO can track the location of Russian aircrafts while Russia don't seem to be doing the same, Russia needs to actively search for any military aircraft in Ukraine and then spam the entire airbase with drones, cruise and ballistic missiles. Take satellite photos of Before and After the strikes, and release them to the public to demonstrate to the world the Destructive Power that Russia can inflict on its enemies

I've been a member here since 2013 and have known GarryB since the keymag days. Shut up, you sound like a goddamn moron.

PapaDragon wrote:
Those aircraft shelters don't look like a waste of money right about now, eh?

Hopefully losing some MiG-31s will get them to speed up development of that new interceptor, can't live off Soviet leftovers forever, it's unseemly

Nothing will change it in Russia because they are corupt as hell on any level. I think that some one do thsi deliberatly..at this pace of loosing things they are doomed in this slow pace war. Their economy at the end will colapse. They do not have time to make it right. Because they live in time in past where they think that west is their friends and they build stipid thing from sochi olimpics to the MOD church..instead they make modern army...they have problem with manufacturing FOV drones, because only one firm made it and it was again probably firm of some of the ministers or high rankins politicians. Ukrainians block in many times this drones by ECM..boe they are working on that problem, but again its lost time...

Price of their victory will be too high if they win at all..

PapaDragon wrote:

Vympel wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Vympal, we're you on militaryphotos.net back then?

I was, but I didn't have that username, someone else got there first by the time I joined. I was Leo1 there.

Holy shit!

Good to see you again, dude!  

Were you also on spacebattles.net by any chance?

GarryB wrote:

It is funny, Russia got a lot of shit about their defensive layers they built in preparation of Ukrainian offensives and yet with hindsight that was money well spent and it made Ukrainian advances impossible. Conversely now Russia is advancing because the Ukrainians didn't to the same and build proper defenses to fight from if they were pushed back from their positions.

The Russians have lost a small number of aircraft and a few more have been damaged on airfields... I guess that means they are going to lose the war?

Nothing is irreplaceable. they have the engines back into production and still have options if the needed them.

They have thousands of air fields and can't build hundreds of thousands of aircraft shelters... and even if they did aircraft don't remain in shelters all the time and when they are not in their shelters they are just as vulnerable as if they didn't have any shelters.

He went too far. He put words in your mouth that you did not say. It is to your credit that you didn't blame everything on Putin with sets you apart from the 5th column crew of paid propagandists. The problem is that building aircraft shelters is an enormous waste of money. They are not cheap and even if you built them it would give a false sense of security. Even the heaviest aircraft shelter has a door that has to be opened to let the planes in and out and when open FPV drones can fly in with small charges and start fires... fires inside enclosed places are dangerous too.

A light mesh shelter would stop FPV drones but other types wont be stopped.

The enemy are not morons... when you see the enemy soldier is wearing body armour... you shoot them in the face... I understand that this is not an argument for not wearing body armour because bullets don't always go where you aim them and protecting large parts of your body make you safer when everyone is trying to kill you... but after spending billions on aircraft shelters planes will continue to get destroyed... then what are you going to waste money on?

galicije83 wrote:Fking Russians they do not learn anything in this two years of war agains NATO...this AB is useless for planes with no shelter for them...useless..
They luck of SAM systems for this kind of war on huge area...they luck of ECM systems for FPV drones on their vehicle..they luck of APS for tanks, they do not have it at all...they build fking BMP3s with almost non protection against any treath, also btrs made it...useless vehicle from 60s...instead they would make Kurganets and bomerangs with more protection for crew and soldiers...they start scratch for tanks from 50s from their depoes...and all of that because of fking coruption who eat this vehicles and more things...with new Minister of D will be rhe same, because bolars and coruption are problem, not fking  minister...incopetent officeres who came on political line on their positions, not buy their merits...

They will win in this war but with what price?!

Mir wrote:Hardened shelters are easy targets - you need to disperse your aircraft once the base is in range of enemy fire.



Shelters are good for protecting your aircraft against the elements.

ALAMO wrote:One of the finished off drones carried R-73, again.



And again it seems that warhead was detonated.

ALAMO wrote:One of the finished off drones carried R-73, again.



And again it seems that warhead was detonated.

Mir wrote:All the sea drones were destroyed and caused no damage as far as I know.

Tomorrow 404 command will have to prepare for funeral arrangements for the officers - again.

Isos wrote:
They also protect against new light drones and fragments of nearby explosion. Small missiles would also have hard time getting in like missiles used on Tb2 or atgm.

Edit: they also allow to hide from satelittes. You could load unoticed Kinzhals on the su-34 inside them at night, open the door and take off in 1min leaving no indication an atta k is ongoing. With a su-57 and internal bay it's totally impossible to know an attack is going to happen even if you have spotters around the airbase. An advantage that the USA currently have with their f-35 and shelters.