Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

Mir wrote:

Will retribution come? If Russia was Israel then Zelensky would be dead within the next few days.

I know its difficult for someone like you, but perhaps at some point you will realize that Zelensky is Russia's greatest asset.

Unless he runs abroad before it is too late for him and never comes back it is highly likely that at one point Zelenski will be taken and hanged by an angry mob of his own citizens.

Russian Ministry of Defense reported:

“Operational-tactical aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile forces and artillery of groupings of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation within 24 hours defeated concentrations of enemy manpower and military equipment in 107 regions. In addition, Su-27 and Su-27 aircraft were destroyed at home airfields. 25 Air Forces of Ukraine,” the message says.

-2 litaki , sounds good

https://ria.ru/20240611/samolety-1952163640.html

Hole wrote:

A certain assistant to the chief of staff of the 10th US Army, Colonel Rosanna Clemente

What an unbiased source.
The area was out of range of Patriot systems.
Period.

well Su-35/Su-34 and 2 Mi-8 were out of range too? same with Il-76 ?

sepheronx wrote:Crybar is crying again lads.

This time, they say that the F-16s are already flying from Romania to Ukraine and back.

So they now ultimately assume all jets come from west and will launch payload at Russia and run back to home base.

it's hardly news according to fighterbomber TG

The next news, which is not news at all
"The F-16s transferred to the Ukrainians will be based at NATO airfields."
This is not news because Ukrainian aviation has been based on them and has been repaired since the first day of the air defense system. It’s just that the F-16 will be added to the other types of litaks. Their airfields are essentially used as jump airfields. crests would generally drag all the aviation to NATO airfields, but then the ping will increase and the flight radius will not be enough.

Mir wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Unless he runs abroad before it is too late for him and never comes back it is highly likely that at one point Zelenski will be taken and hanged by an angry mob of his own citizens.

I think the CIA will deliver his uligy in the near future.

Only if they have already another puppet to put there.
It is more probable that they will just throw him away to his destiny after having used him.

They would kill him only if they could gain something by accusing Russia of the fact (i.e. like Nemtsov or Navalny death).

If CIA believes they can cause more problems to Russia by assassinating Zelenski and blaming Russia for it, maybe in order to ruin Russia's relationship with neutral non western countries they could do it.

They cannot try to ruin Russia's relationship with western countries because they are already at the minimum possible for countries not in a "direct" war with each other (since they are already since long in an economic war and in an "indirect" war).

So either he is killed by a angry mob (or by someone else in his entourage), or he runs away to the west before it's too late.

Personally I would like to see him walk behind a winning parade (like the defeated enemies in the Roman triumphs, but without killing him in front of the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus :p) in Moscow before being thrown in the black dolphin until his death.

He IT just needs something commensurate with an attempted genocide of the Russian people.... by one who was a traitor to its own people.

Being fed to 10,000 hungry rats would be a fitting way for that POS to go... along with all the other Nazi trash/collaborators of Nazi trash.

In French it's "Il va falloir nuancer davantage" (We'll have to get more nuanced):

Russian ships conduct high-precision exercises in the Atlantic Ocean on their way to Cuba, 06.11.2024.

A few days earlier, the Admiral Gorshkov frigate conducted a training exercise to repel an air attack, in which it practiced the actions of combat units.

Ships of the Northern Fleet are conducting an exercise on the use of high-precision missile weapons in the Atlantic Ocean, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Tuesday. The group consisting of the Kazan nuclear submarine and the Admiral Gorshkov frigate carries out the tasks of a long-range campaign.

"As part of the exercise, the crews of a frigate and a nuclear-powered submarine missile cruiser are practicing the use of high-precision missile weapons using computer simulation against naval targets representing groups of enemy ships conditionally and located at a distance of more than 600 kilometers," the statement reads.

It was also reported that, a few days earlier, the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, as part of a group of ships of the Northern Fleet, conducted a training exercise to repel an air attack, in which it practiced the actions of combat units, the interaction of command posts and combat posts by firing at simulated air targets.

On Thursday, the Cuban Foreign Ministry reported that a Russian naval detachment consisting of the Gorshkov frigate, the Pashnin oil tanker, the Nikolai Chiker salvage tug and the Kazan nuclear-powered submarine will remain in the port of Havana between June 12 and 17.

Yandex Translate from Spanish.

https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/512539-buques-rusos-realizar-ejercicios-precision-atlantico

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GunshipDemocracy wrote:

it's hardly news according to fighterbomber TG

The next news, which is not news at all
"The F-16s transferred to the Ukrainians will be based at NATO airfields."
This is not news because Ukrainian aviation has been based on them and has been repaired since the first day of the air defense system. It’s just that the F-16 will be added to the other types of litaks. Their airfields are essentially used as jump airfields. crests would generally drag all the aviation to NATO airfields, but then the ping will increase and the flight radius will not be enough.

The difference is back then they weren’t hitting inside of Russia

It has nothing to do with what the aviation is doing

Yes they do it since 2022

In 2022 they weren’t hitting radars, Su57 test bases, and air defenses protecting Russian cities and troops

They set a line which was Crimea, failed and got yoinked

Now they lose Kharkov, Sumy, and their manpower is going to 0

But they in complete and total frustration are lashing out and hitting inside of Russia

That requires a response

And no hitting western Ukraine has nothing to do with that

Putin, Kartopolov, Ryabkov, and Lavrov are all saying the same thing

Only clowns on this forum and on TG deny that

Hitting Europe with some conventional weapons won’t start Ww3

It just won’t

Israel got smacked by Iran and it didn’t trigger the Samson option

Wake the **** up

If Israel takes the hit like a good boy, Europe will too

How simple is that to understand ?

Is Europe going to hit Russia? They already do that

Is Europe going to send weapons to Ukraine? They already do that

Is Europe going to send troops to Ukraine ? They already do that

There is nothing that Europe can do or escalate to change that

They will take the hits like everyone else does

Russia, Israel, Iran, all play the same rules of the game

Now Europe will join that game too

And Americans can be a part of that same exact game


Nowhere is nukes even remotely related

Only the pussy clowns on the internet are really scared about that

The only people I see freaking out and coping anytime something obvious happens are westerners

Americans and probably Europeans who are scared shitless

lol guys your government is going to do a fucking thing

Netanyahu took 1000 ppl dead, a green pine OTH radar destroyed, an iron dome destroyed, border surveillance systems destroyed, ballistic missile impacts to runways and what did they do?

Did they drop nukes on Iran? No

Did they go crazy and start changing anything drastic? No

So idk why you western fags are always coping about what’s painfully obvious to the rest of the world

Your government is hitting Russia and it will get hit in response

Your government is not going to do shit besides what they already do

So stop pretending you know what is best for Russia and shut the **** up and take the hit like the Israelis do and like anyone else would do

You are not exempt from being hit, you are a party to the war and that’s all there is to say

Stop coping , it looks really sad and pathetic

Mir wrote:I know its difficult for someone like you, but perhaps at some point you will realize that Zelensky is Russia's greatest asset.

He was

But now his usefulness is at an end.

The Ukrainian army is spent. Zelensky just needs to sign the orders to mobilize whoever is left.

It's not to Russia's advantage that he gets around to doing that. Yes whoever the Americans replace him with can sign in his steed instead, but they will have even less legitimacy to do so, and in the attempt can invoke disobedience from more of the population and state apparatus thann Zelensky.

But moreover, with NATO getting ready to either attack Russia or enter the conflict in some capacity openly, Russia needs its own cover of 'deniability'. For which it has ressurected Yanukovich a couple months ago, inviting him to Minsk. Now whether it's Yanukovich or somebody else, someone will have to assume authority over whatever alternative Ukrainian government or alternative Ukrainian state that Russia sets up. And it will be this alternative Ukraine that can be used to deliver strikes against NATO if they start doing funny business with ATACMS against targets in Russia or F-16s flying from Poland and Romania.
But obviously Zelensky stands in the way of this plan too.

And it wouldn't have collapsed in 2014. Simply that living standard would have been a little lower for a while.

Things would have gotten rather bad if the drip feed of sanctions were all applied at once 10 years ago... the pro western faction would have said the west just wants to be friends and it is evil Putin and his outrageous invasion of the Ukraine is the reason for the sanctions. Get rid of Putin and everything will be good again.

Many would see through that but a lot would not.

The way this has been done... sure he was wrong, but he gave them every chance to do the right thing and they screwed him and Russia and quite frankly the people of the Ukraine... and they are still doing it...

It was never about freedom or values it was about tearing apart a country to steal 12 trillion dollars worth of resources:

https://www.rt.com/news/599068-ukraine-gold-mine-us/

In an interview with ‘Face the Nation’ on CBS on Sunday, Graham accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of being a “megalomaniac” who is attempting to “re-create the Russian Empire by force of arms,” starting with Ukraine. He further claimed that if Moscow wins the current conflict, it will then take over Ukraine’s wealth and share it with China. Graham described that prospect as “ridiculous,” suggesting it would be better if this “gold mine” were available to the US instead.

Huge war vs 7 day mil op+ slightly lower living standards.....?

Where did 7 day war come from?

7 year war maybe.

Remember the Orc forces would be weaker but the Russian forces would also be weaker and have zero drones and zero access to drones except via China... I doubt Iran would be cooperating with Russia the way it has, because trust and cooperation was built up in Syria.

More importantly would Russia still be able to save Assad and the people of the Donbass at the same time?

What sort of production capacity did Russia have 10 years ago and would they be able to support two wars?

Putin himself admits he was wrong. And you ask if I am serious?

Putin does admit he was wrong but only because he knows now that Merkel and Holland were lying to his face and they were people he thought he could trust.

There is now no point in any agreements with the west that don't include rigorous verification systems because they can't be trusted at all.

We all thought the west were bastards but the cold war was over. It clearly isn't.

But then the strange things begin: the fact is that Zelensky and Ermak are primarily clearing out Western creatures - people who have personal connections in Europe and overseas, who, bypassing Bankova, are subordinate to Washington , London and other European capitals, who have a support group and influential figures who have promoted them to their respective positions.

That is what is really upsetting the west... they are losing control because their paid muppets are getting the boot.

There is no "Ukie Airforce" - just a couple of samples in hiding that gets blown to pieces as soon as it gets airborne. At best its a one way suicide trip.

And that is the future for any F-16s they might get.... they will be carefully hidden and they be used for surprise terror attacks and destroyed in the process. They will keep as many hidden as possible, which means inside buildings and sheds, and they will be drip fed to operational status and flying missions and getting shot down of course, so their main hope will be for their pilots to survive so they can use 12 pilots to fly how ever many planes they get.

The organisation needed to hide these planes means they will never use them in large numbers, but if they do then there will be a massacre, because the planning and coordination to get lots of planes all hidden in different places onto a runway and armed and fueled and airborne is not so easy and when they spot you they will get as many aircraft into the air with R-37Ms and likely get some A-50s in the air too... or maybe a couple of Su-57s to manage the interception... the pilots of the F-16s wont know what hit them.

In 2014, things were different to 2022.
Worldwide.

That is important too... it is not just the state Russia was in but also its relations with China and India and Iran and even Turkey.

If Russia had invaded in 2014 Turkey might have decided to back western sanctions and play silly buggers in their interpretation of access to the Black Sea...

The situation in Syria would also be an issue and without 8 years of coordination and cooperation with Iran in Syria and using drones and defending from drone attacks the Russian Army in 2014 would be horribly vulnerable to the number of drones the west could deliver, and despite those drones being horribly expensive the level of EW for use against drones in the Russian Army in 2014 would be minimal.

The Kharkov advance seemed like one completely of opportunism.

The Kharkov advance was punishment for all the cross border attacks by Kiev into Russian territory that have been mounted... this is just part of the process of making Russia and Russian territory safe from terrorism.

Will retribution come? If Russia was Israel then Zelensky would be dead within the next few days.

And if Russia was the US it would have invaded about 10 different countries it had on its list with lots of mineral resources that it would have claimed were involved too.

Why would Russia act like the evil colonial west?

And NATO knows that and will try to take advantage of Russia's calculation here. Just a matter of time until they dare

Many within HATO are deluded and think Putin will never attack a fully HATO country and think Ukraines F-16s can safely operate from HATO countries and launch strikes at targets in the Ukraine and further away without being at risk.

They are wrong of course.

I like Israel's approach more. A bullet or a missile will do the work.

And all these decades of them applying this superior technique how are they doing?

They only survive because of unquestioning western backing.

If they were clever with such support they would have their neighbours eating out of their hands, but instead they all want them dead.

Sounds like their methods are a total failure.

Iran and Turkey have no great reason to be neutral with Russia... they have history and most of that history they have been enemies, but under Putin they are working together for a better future from all parties involved... but when Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 you would have just shot down a Turkish plane or two... how would that have ended?

How has it ended with Putins way?

So they now ultimately assume all jets come from west and will launch payload at Russia and run back to home base.

Good. That makes home base a legitimate target.

Unless he runs abroad before it is too late for him and never comes back it is highly likely that at one point Zelenski will be taken and hanged by an angry mob of his own citizens.

Doesn't matter what happens to him.... if he runs to the west it would be like those videos of Ukrainians at a nightclub while others go and die on the front line. Every time his wife went shopping the people of the Ukraine were watching... if he ends up with a huge mansion in the west it is more likely Ukrainian special forces that will rub him out rather than Russian ones... Putin should send him a Bouquet and some chocolates.

If CIA believes they can cause more problems to Russia by assassinating Zelenski and blaming Russia for it, maybe in order to ruin Russia's relationship with neutral non western countries they could do it.

The amount of whinging and moaning and begging and complaining Zelensky has done I would say many in the west would like to see the end of the little fucker, let alone the rest of the world who keep asking why they should care about wars in Europe when the west doesn't give a shit about wars everywhere else... and most of the time starts them anyway.

He was

But now his usefulness is at an end.

He remains useful because most in the west are likely sick of him and his insults and no matter how much you give him he demands more... he is the ultimate ex wife.

Putin included Belousov among the permanent members of the Russian Security Council, 06.11.2024.

Putin included Belousov among the permanent members of the Russian Security Council.

https://ria.ru/20240611/belousov-1952296208.html

For all the hysteroids, who scream about the lack of retaliation from Russia.

https://ria.ru/20221103/boeviki-1828913523.html
https://rg.ru/2023/06/13/reg-skfo/fsb-zaderzhala-v-minvodah-byvshego-boevika-iz-bandy-basaeva.html
https://www.rbc.ru/society/26/05/2023/647055cf9a7947506e1b3113
https://ria.ru/20231219/zaderzhanie-1916641848.html
https://chr.sledcom.ru/news/item/1889075

Chechen gang members who escaped utilization continue to be found and brought to trial to this day, 20 and 30 years later.
It will be the same with Khokhlo-Nazis and their owners.

flamming_python wrote:

He was

But now his usefulness is at an end.

The Ukrainian army is spent. Zelensky just needs to sign the orders to mobilize whoever is left.

It's not to Russia's advantage that he gets around to doing that. Yes whoever the Americans replace him with can sign in his steed instead, but they will have even less legitimacy to do so, and in the attempt can invoke disobedience from more of the population and state apparatus thann Zelensky.

But moreover, with NATO getting ready to either attack Russia or enter the conflict in some capacity openly, Russia needs its own cover of 'deniability'. For which it has ressurected Yanukovich a couple months ago, inviting him to Minsk. Now whether it's Yanukovich or somebody else, someone will have to assume authority over whatever alternative Ukrainian government or alternative Ukrainian state that Russia sets up. And it will be this alternative Ukraine that can be used to deliver strikes against NATO if they start doing funny business with ATACMS against targets in Russia or F-16s flying from Poland and Romania.
But obviously Zelensky stands in the way of this plan too.

Bro you don’t need a proxy lol

Check it out, Iran had some IRGC officers coordinating the Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthi actions from Syria and Lebanon

Israel came in and leveled an embassy with those officers

Iran aimed some ballistic missiles, and yeeted Israeli airbases, and the proxies yeet radars, rockets, and important infrastructure

Israel carried out one strike on Iran, and didn’t make another peep about it

Now it’s facing Hezbollah striking its entire border infrastructure and even Haifa port just got yeeted

In that whole scenario both Israel and Iran hit each other

Some say Iran has nuclear weapons

So it proves the thing that we all know


Nuclear deterrence works

Israel can have the Samson option and threaten world extinction

But at the end of the day, the craziest guys in the room got tested and they blinked

And Europe will too

Do you really think anyone wants total annihilation to prove something ?

If anyone was that insane it would be Israel

And their muted response said it all

Idk why you and others fear so much about conventional strikes and exchanges

Nothing will happen

Russia will have to exsanguinate Ukraine either way and punch Europe on the mouth

And the escalation won’t go out of control

If right wing Jewish nut jobs and Shiite Islamic nut jobs didn’t start world war 3

Some LGBT euro fags won’t either

Here's one helluva nuance:

Russia could consider changing nuclear doctrine
Actions of the US and its allies could prompt Russia to amend its nuclear posture, Deputy FM Sergey Ryabkov said

Russia could potentially make changes to its nuclear doctrine should the “escalatory actions” by the US and its allies push it into doing so, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov has warned.

Speaking to reporters on the sidelines of a BRICS ministerial meeting in Nizhny Novgorod, Ryabkov admitted the international situation has been getting increasingly “complicated” and changes to his country’s nuclear posture could not be ruled out.

“The challenges that are growing thanks to the unacceptable and escalatory actions of the US and its NATO allies undoubtedly prompt a full-fledged question of how the basic documents in nuclear deterrence can be brought more into line with current needs,” Ryabkov said.

The diplomat refused to elaborate on the exact nature of the potential amendments, explaining that Moscow does not have a “practice of covering in advance what kind of changes can be made” before actual decisions are taken.

The remarks come shortly after Russian President Vladimir Putin again reiterated Moscow’s stance on nuclear weapons as a last-resort option. Speaking during a question-and-answer panel at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) last week, the president stressed that Russia has never been the first to resort to aggressive nuclear rhetoric.

The nation’s current nuclear doctrine allows the use of atomic weapons only in “exceptional cases” and the current situation does not actually qualify as such, Putin explained. The president expressed hopes an all-out nuclear war will not break out, adding that such a conflict would result in “infinite casualties” for everyone.

The president also cautioned European NATO nations against increasingly belligerent rhetoric and actions, suggesting they are bound to suffer the most in case of a global nuclear conflict, arguing that the US will not actually help them.

“The Europeans have to think: if those with whom we exchange such [nuclear] blows are obliterated, would the Americans get involved in such an exchange, on the level of strategic weapons, or not? I very much doubt it,” Putin stated.

https://www.rt.com/russia/599151-nuclear-posture-potential-changes/

sepheronx wrote:If he was added, then that means he really is a very serious person.  Security Council is what more or less determines Russia's future decisions.

Well that goes without saying, else he wouldn't have been appointed as Minister of Defense.

I know you guys hate TG and the Broenkors

But Yuri Podolyaka, Alexander Sladkov, Evgeny Poddubnyy, Sasha Kots and other broenkors all met with Andrey Belousov and the MOD

You guys can try to act like their opinion doesn’t matter but the minister of defense just sat down to a formal meeting with them to understand problems at the front

Ho Ho Ho, Archie on high again. Sweet.

While in the real world, Slovakia exMoD will be charged for unconstitutional transfer of the Slovak MiG-29s to 404.

And this is quite funny

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112977

Long story short, a "voluntary Leopard driver" was forcibly held inside a mobilization center, and felt sick.
So he called medics.
Who arrived on the scene, and faced the same fate
So they have called backup.
And a chivalry arrived being other ambulance teams from the region.
A fierce battle lasted for an hour
That's the spirit of peremoga folks!

Nothing.
They are being asked again to STFU.

... that goes fast ...