Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

Can be fixed witch scotch!

Hole wrote:
The Il-76 was shot down near Belgorod, roughly 50km from the Ukro border.

... an with the PAC2 missile, as PAC3 lacks the range to operate 50 km into Russian territory.
But as map reading is way too challenging for our dumb&dumber doomers team, let's just walk by.

ALAMO wrote:Nothing.
They are being asked again to STFU.

Either that or guidelines to spice up the truth in various ways

Arrow wrote:

The West wants to do it so that F-16s take off from Romania and Poland and fly to an airbase in Western Ukraine, from which they will take off, launch a cruise missile and return to Poland and Romania. From Romania itself, they can fly over Ukrainian territory and launch direct attacks.
This is similar to the Su-24 that launched SCAPL/Storm Shadow. Only F-16s will be stationed in Romania and Poland, they will be permanently serviced there, etc.
This is their last idea for escalation. The only thing left is for NATO to enter the war without any objections. If they arm them with JASSM, the Russian AD will probably deal with them like they did with SCALP. The AGM 158 itself is no more advanced than European missiles.

Not their last idea for escalation by any means

I mean they're not counting on these F-16s to change anything

It's just another way for them to enter the war further as you say, do more damage, and try to either spook Russia into a 'freeze' in the most optimal scenario, else provoke some sort of crisis and then a freeze after that.

And if Russia doesn't react then they will go further it's as simple as that.

The problem with circle jerk escalation is that when they escalate they hand Russia the opportunity to respond, which often means taking out power grid components or bridges or storage areas or airfields etc etc.

Before the conflict started there was talk of giving Kiev tactical nukes to defend themselves... I suspect that was part of the trigger that made the Russian attack happen... and will likely make them decide that enough is enough and that such an escalation requires a MAD response.

Of course losing their F-16s no matter where they operate from is going to be amusing... and now they are sending all their AD systems to the Ukraine what is the EU publics response going to be to Russian missiles taking down Orc F-16s in HATO airspace or on HATO bases.

The amusing thing is that there is no way for Russia to distinguish F-16s being flown by nazis, and F-16s being flown by Ukrainians, and if they are at the same base they will likely take them all out because they wont be able to tell which is which... and when that happens some might ask where HATO air defence is when it is supposed to be defending HATO countries and is actually defending Blackwaters assets in Ukraine.

GarryB wrote:The problem with circle jerk escalation is that when they escalate they hand Russia the opportunity to respond, which often means taking out power grid components or bridges or storage areas or airfields etc etc.

People don't understand the importance of escalation dominance, those same people also believe Putin made a mistake by not entering the Ukraine in 2014 when the 13000+ sanctions from hell would've crushed the Russian economy and sowed the seeds of a color revolution.

NATO is slow walking this escalation, using WW3 as a saber rattle in the hopes of spooking Russia into a ceasefire agreement or freeze in the conflict. But these people are cowards beyond words and unlike the Russians, aren't willing to sacrifice their lives nor their lavish lifestyles in order to defeat the enemy, hence this proxy war with the Ukraine used as the broken, expendable, -covered condom to try and F*ck Russia with.

https://t.me/infomil_live/7196?single

In Crimea, attacks on air defense position areas continue. On the night of June 9-10, command posts, radars, launchers and equipment of several S-400 and S-300 crews were destroyed. Today the enemy also announced the destruction of several radars. And right now there are several NATO reconnaissance aircraft in the skies over the Black Sea, which are directly related to the systematic destruction of Crimean air defense.

What could air defense losses in Crimea grow into? Most likely, the F-16 will actively work on the peninsula, since in the future military units, government buildings, fuel reserves, strategic infrastructure and much more will be under attack from air weapons of Western fighters.

Obviously, the production rate does not in any way cover the level of current losses, so a solution must be found here and now. And the only correct way out of the situation will be the destruction of NATO Long-Range Warning aircraft and RQ-4 Global Hawk UAVs over the Black Sea, which are harbingers of attacks on our air defense, navy, aviation and even nuclear infrastructure.

Of course, many will argue that this is an unnecessary risk, and the consequences can be unpredictable. But let’s say objectively that there will be no consequences. The United States has already crossed literally all the “red lines,” the last of which was the ban on strikes on Russian territory. No one will take revenge for one drone, or even for several AWACS pilots, who, moreover, will fall on their own and all coincidences are random. At the moment, all our problems come from the lack of an answer: sunk ships, bombed air bases, destroyed air defense systems, and most importantly, killed military personnel. “Playing defensively” is obviously doomed to failure, and the sooner this is understood, the better.

Informant

caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/infomil_live/7196?single

In Crimea, attacks on air defense position areas continue.  On the night of June 9-10, command posts, radars, launchers and equipment of several S-400 and S-300 crews were destroyed.  Today the enemy also announced the destruction of several radars.  And right now there are several NATO reconnaissance aircraft in the skies over the Black Sea, which are directly related to the systematic destruction of Crimean air defense.

What could air defense losses in Crimea grow into?  Most likely, the F-16 will actively work on the peninsula, since in the future military units, government buildings, fuel reserves, strategic infrastructure and much more will be under attack from air weapons of Western fighters.

Obviously, the production rate does not in any way cover the level of current losses, so a solution must be found here and now.  And the only correct way out of the situation will be the destruction of NATO Long-Range Warning aircraft and RQ-4 Global Hawk UAVs over the Black Sea, which are harbingers of attacks on our air defense, navy, aviation and even nuclear infrastructure.

Of course, many will argue that this is an unnecessary risk, and the consequences can be unpredictable.  But let’s say objectively that there will be no consequences.  The United States has already crossed literally all the “red lines,” the last of which was the ban on strikes on Russian territory.  No one will take revenge for one drone, or even for several AWACS pilots, who, moreover, will fall on their own and all coincidences are random.  At the moment, all our problems come from the lack of an answer: sunk ships, bombed air bases, destroyed air defense systems, and most importantly, killed military personnel.  “Playing defensively” is obviously doomed to failure, and the sooner this is understood, the better.

Informant

This is cope

They’re saying they were removed after being hit

Empty mud holes don’t mean anything

S400 production doubled and even quadrupled long ago , you can check the factories and the production of missile systems for that

Although I agree , NATO recon assets should be downed, in this case this is Ukro cope

Happy Russia day

Arkhangelsk went sailing

Stavropol went sailing

A100 went flying

Couldn't ask for more crystal clear evidence of a destroyed S-300/400

JohninMK wrote:  Thirdly, the fighters will be safer on the territory of NATO countries. A strike on Alliance airfields would lead to total escalation, which is why it was officially announced that NATO infrastructure would be used by fighter jets to strike Russia.

Within the next month or so, we're going to wake up to news of Russia destroying several airbases in Romania and I'm gonna have a shit-eating grin as wide as the grand canyon when it happens. Let Romania cry for Article 5 like the pussies they are.

Concern troll keeps being a troll.

And just in case you are missing why this Inventflix production is running at full steam, here you go :

https://t.me/intelslava/61864

A clearly documented kill of the S-300PS system at Mirgorod airfield,

https://t.me/intelslava/61865

And a clear Su-27 destruction that followed.

Crimea river

After a little reflection , post discussion with Firebird , my conclusion about outside interference in Ukraine : We can not argue from the point of view that outsiders violated Ukrainian border by sending troops or planes or equipment in order to strike at them . Since after SMO , and regions voting to join Russia , then old borders have no legality . We can not argue for striking against outside interference , simply because they operated outside their borders , in non-defined or disputed territory . We can only argue for striking against outside interference , if they give material assistance of a nature not available generally or as a result of Ukrainian own effort and resource .

Therefore it becomes right to strike at outsiders for reason of increasing capability of Ukraine . But actual strikes , depends on military decisions . Are the aid given of significant value ? Will it affect the outcome of conflict ? If so by how much ? Striking back in a way that brings the outsiders into the fight in a major way , how much force will be brought in ?

If the answer is that outside help will substantially slow down advances , increase Russia casualties or damage economy in a long term permanent fashion , then there is no choice and strikes on outsiders are unavoidable . It matters not where these retaliatory strikes are done . The place with greatest effect on MIC . Otherwise if advances continue with speed and casualties not increased much and economy doing well , then simply defend for now . I think strong defence now with some moves of symbolic importance only . Soon they will have to bring out old age pensioners on wheelchair to fight !

https://youtu.be/N6QtqzSbN0g  https://rtvi.com/news/voennyj-ekspert-dandykin-zayavil-chto-baltijskij-flot-mozhet-potrepat-nervy-nato/
https://www.unian.net/war/voyna-v-ukraine-v-azovskom-more-rossiyane-pryachut-voennye-korabli-mezhdu-inostrannymi-sudami-12661890.html  -that's a good move, there they only need to defend against UAVs & AshMs.

https://youtu.be/v1lnapV8P7A https://youtu.be/Px8kXjEp1DM  

https://youtu.be/ML--bP4tHXs

https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/06/12/73696964/

https://youtu.be/O3R92jIsA9M  https://youtu.be/Di3Mp4jEkP8

https://ura.news/news/1052779892  https://asiatimes.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2049a8663daea00bd30c32cf2&id=0176d11945&e=5455568640

https://life.ru/p/1665236  https://regnum.ru/news/3894956

https://www.interfax.ru/world/966074

https://www.dw.com/ru/isw-razresenia-kievu-na-udary-po-celam-v-rossii-nedostatocno/a-69319016

https://ura.news/news/1052779531

https://youtu.be/cvakJpDRqQU  https://youtu.be/9K4eqfccN7w

https://regnum.ru/article/3894112?utm_campaign=regnum&utm_term=best_materials

https://youtu.be/Uch-k_Yg204  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqBxoFC1twI  

https://youtu.be/SAOp2k8uwhU https://youtu.be/8ue8io8VhII

If all else fails, Russia may use tactical nukes high over unpopulated areas of Ukraine to clear the sky of enemy fighters- no need to strike airbases in Poland & Romania.