Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

mnztr wrote:Well we know the usa is involved. But when a missile is damaged by ad or ew and hits civilians, just like has happened to some russian missiles, isn't that just part of the tragedy of war?

GarryB wrote:HATO drones operating in international airspace being shot down would be something the US would want as an excuse to officially get involved... they could send HATO "peace keepers to Kiev" or Odessa or elsewhere...

HATO platforms operating in international airspace would be difficult to justify with regards to shooting them down.

It is funny that people complain and say Putin is doing nothing when events are actually happening... he has said that Russia can respond in kind but such actions are not instant and need to be planned and coordinated so the right people suffer and as few other people suffer as possible that are not involved.

Essentially these two attacks have given the green light to Putin to do things he warned them he was going to do.

When the damage from this becomes apparent in the west of course the west will openly blame Putin for all of it but in private channels they will likely beg to go back to the way things were and they will promise to stop escalating... or maybe they wont and then Putin can continue to respond.

It is funny... it is very much like the peace deal, I am glad they are not accepting his terms because it means their deal gets worse and worse.

I hope Putin and the enemies of the west get some good shots in before the west talks things down in private...

The situation needs to end first and then investigation and analysis, and then planning a response and executing it so that the right people suffer.

This is the CIA switching from using nazis as cannon fodder to stupid sects of Islam to do their dirty work.

Perhaps there needs to be some racial disharmony in the US, or perhaps some problems in Europe maybe.

How about some pro Assad Syrian refugees could hatch a plot to flood the channel tunnel or the London underground... there are so many groups the west has pissed off and so many juicy targets... the Olympics in Paris are coming up and both France and the Olympic committee have given Russia the middle finger... how about something happening there...

Russia is spoiled for choice and the thing is that Putin warned them about playing this game... it is a game Putin normally chooses not to play, but so is invasion and he played that when the west ignored warnings too.

Russia is a country not a person... the west has been giving it its best shot especially the last 10 years to hurt Russia and has only made Russia not only stronger and more independent, but also realise what a bunch of the west actually is and that the anti colonial party called BRICS is where Russias and the rest of the worlds future really lies.

Putin has been very consistent and never reacts before all the facts are in and they have a good idea of who did what and why and when and where.

The response has to hurt the right people and hit the right pockets and still be sensible.

Russia needs to openly do what the west does for a short period to show the west what can happen if two plays the same game, but if Russia just keeps playing all the wests games then why choose Russia over the US or EU because they would all be the same.

The west has been using its interpretation of Putin to defeat him since the mid 2000s and their ignorance and clumsiness has led to his and Russias rise in power.

Do you expect them to suddenly become smart over night?

It is going to take a few elections and a lot of fools to lose their jobs before the west wakes up and smells the roses.

But the point is that Putin is steering the ship to destroy Kiev as his first priority... bullshit terrorism isn't going to stop that car crash and he needs to make sure Ukraine is done.

Putin said the opposite of turning the cheek... he talked about a response in kind... which is not something you can organise quickly if you care about who suffers and who does not... and he clearly does.

He is not a psycho that will kill random innocent people to upset the west because he knows the west don't give a **** about most people anyway.

This woman is sensible enough to understand the west needs escalations because otherwise they lose.

Putin is also sensible, but that is not to say he wont inflict pain on the enemy for these escalations and also continue the plan to make things unbearable for the Ukraine to get a collapse to be sooner rather than later.

mnztr wrote:Well we know the usa is involved. But when a missile is damaged by ad or ew and hits civilians, just like has happened to some russian missiles, isn't that just part of the tragedy of war?

kvs wrote:The critics of "Russian inaction" don't have any real suggestions as to what the "action" should be.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
But their own grifters , Ritter, Martyanov( I consider him American), Mercouris, Johnson,Christouforou, Berlectic, and all the other English speaking cope squad is the only one constantly running this cope that “Russia winning”

flamming_python wrote:

mnztr wrote:Well we know the usa is involved. But when a missile is damaged by ad or ew and hits civilians, just like has happened to some russian missiles, isn't that just part of the tragedy of war?

If I'm racing a Lamborghini around the city at 150mph and then I lose control, pelt down the pavement and kill your loved ones (God forbid) - isn't that just part of the tragedy of car accidents?

No it's something that I've caused knowingly, I knew the risks and I didn't give a shit about your family or anyone else's else I would never have driven around at such speeds in a populated area.

Those HIMARS and ATACMS operators know full well what they're doing and where they're aiming, so do those providing them the targets. They may not have the intention to kill civilians, but ultimately they don't care if they do otherwise they'd never be launching cluster munitions against targets right next to beaches and civilians. They'd either use other weapons systems or they'll catch the target at a different location or a different time of day, such as at night. You know, how Russia does.

NATO bears full responsibility for the terror attack that it has caused. And those who ordered the attack need to be taken out. Taken out, and I don't mean dinner & dancing.

Mir wrote:Well I do agree with you on one point - Trump will not change anything. Putin even said as much. It may even get worse. He likes his big red buttons.

Any true Russian knows exactly what's at stake here. Russians know that they will have to make sacrifices but there is only one option.

Victory or death.  It sounds dramatic but that is the reality.

Mir wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
But their own grifters , Ritter, Martyanov( I consider him American), Mercouris, Johnson,Christouforou, Berlectic, and all the other English speaking cope squad is the only one constantly running this cope that “Russia winning”

In the whole wide world - and that includes the western world - it's only you and the Kiev Independent that believes that 404 is winning.