Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

lyle6 wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:
the Azov Sea isn't known to have clear water, so a sunken wreckedge won't yield a good identifiable picture; on land the wreckage debries can be quickly moved/collected/covered with camouflage.
The absence of any evidence isn't=evidence of absence.

The Azov Sea is the shallowest sea on the entire planet with a maximum depth of 14m.
Its so shallow you can see the seabed from satellite images: https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/54000/54054/S2000104100904_md.jpg

Tsavo Lion wrote:
even so, a heavy plane hitting water from a few km altitude would desintegrate on impact into mostly small pieces, even if it didn't explode in the air.

Belisarius wrote:
Have you ever heard of the airfrance 447?

Some might say it doesn't matter because those are all fags and transsexuals and not real men... do not fall for that. Don't underestimate NATO.

There is also around three dedicated training versions still flying of the Tu-134. This one is a trainer for the Tu-160 crew. It's known as the Tu-134UBL.

[The Ukrainians will improvise with everything they have to inflict pain & losses on Russia, so it's not surprising they used Patriots or other SAMs in this way.

The Ukrainians lost more than they hoped to gain from it; POW exchanges were halted ever since.

https://www.dw.com/ru/rossia-priznala-cto-ee-samoletrazvedcik-a50-sbili-vsu/a-69398961

“Without troops, Ukraine releases criminals to fight. Not all convicts have the right to do this, and those who do are required to join the assault brigades that participate in the deadliest battles,” the publication reports.

even so, a heavy plane hitting water from a few km altitude would desintegrate on impact into mostly small pieces, even if it didn't explode in the air.

Any medium/large fragments would be buried in silt/sand before being salvaged, & likely very soon afterwards.

Until pictures of it in the Azov sea and any kind of attempt to get it out, arise, there is nothing else to talk about.

I have no doubt that if pics of wreckage will appear later, some here will call them fakes no matter what.

ALAMO wrote:I have just read an interesting analysis.
Formally, according to Ukro jurisdiction, the death of Ukrainian soldier is assisted by compensation paid to the relatives.
Here comes the juicy part :
It is supposed to be 15 mln UAH, which is almost 400k $.
The amount is crazy from the Ukro perspective, as it can buy 5 flats in Kiev.
In contrast, US soldier's death is covered by $100k, Russian by 5 mln RUB which is about $60k.
It is being paid in 20%, while the rest is split into 40 monthly payments.

It has already been noticed how families are pushing mentally ill, terminally sick, or crippled members, counting on their death and governmental benefits.

But here is the catch: that money does not add up.
Concerning the number of deaths, the actual amount of Ukro budgetary commitment totals more than $160 bln, accumulating $40 bln of yearly spending - half of the whole Ukro budget.
And rising!

The conclusion is, that it is nothing more than a financial piramide, constructed as a carrot for Ukranian society to make them keen to suffer more damage.
Someone who figured that out knew perfectly well the Ukrainian psychology that places financial benefits above all the other values.
The whole construction will collapse as soon as the flood of western sponsoring will dry out, but there is a great opportunity to steal even more ...

why change the patrol area to...

JohninMK wrote:2,750 Ukrainian prisoners signed a contract with the Ukrainian Armed Forces The Washington Post reported this with reference to the Ministry of Justice. 


They include those convicted of drug trafficking, phone theft, armed assault and murder, as well as other “serious crimes.” 


“Without troops, Ukraine releases criminals to fight. Not all convicts have the right to do this, and those who do are required to join the assault brigades that participate in the deadliest battles,” the publication reports.

Arrow wrote:

Western sponsorship will last for a very long time. Russia's armed forces will probably be exhausted sooner or weakened enough for Ukraine to capitulate or want to negotiate peace terms.

The A-50 fell to the sea in flames. ..
Yesterday another A-50 exploded over Krasnodar Krai, in Russia just east of the Sea of Azov, killing all 10 crew and battle-managers. The A-50 reportedly was 120 miles from the front line at the time of its destruction. That’s 30 miles farther than a Patriot normally travels, prompting speculation—and some unconfirmed reporting—that the Ukrainian air force has begun firing, in the surface-to-air role, old Cold War S-200 missiles that range as far as 160 miles. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/24/blinded-every-a-50-radar-plane-the-ukrainians-shoot-down-opens-a-gap-in-russian-radar-coverage-a-gap-the-ukrainians-can-exploit/

Belisarius wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:
even so, a heavy plane hitting water from a few km altitude would desintegrate on impact into mostly small pieces, even if it didn't explode in the air.

Have you ever heard of the airfrance 447?

mnztr wrote:
AF 447 was a very unique accident. When the plane had almost no forward velocity and pancaked into the ocean. So the impact velocity was about vertical under 200 kph as it was held in a steep positive trajectory at full power all the way in.