Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

Just cool down, hotheads.

‘Putin Will Not Take the Bait’: Russia Will Respond Prudently to Crimea Attack, by John Miles for Sputnikglobe.com. 06.27.2024.

Analyst Regis Tremblay also noted the long historic relationship between Moscow and Kiev, which was formalized more than a century before the United States’ founding.
Russian President Vladimir Putin will not be goaded into a reckless and impulsive response to Ukraine’s killing of Russian civilians in Crimea, said filmmaker Regis Tremblay, but will carefully consider its options as it works to construct a multipolar world order.

The American documentarian, who now lives in the Crimean city of Yalta, responded to Sunday’s attack on Sputnik’s The Critical Hour programme.

“In 2014, an overwhelming number of people in Crimea voted to return to the Russian Federation, where they have been since the time of Catherine the Great, at the time of our American Revolution. And so, to talk about Crimea as being the focus of Ukrainian attacks, I would like to dispel this lie and this myth once and for all,” said Tremblay, rejecting the notion that Russia’s reintegration of the peninsula was the ultimate cause of the current conflict with Ukraine.

“This has been a war – a declared war – by the United States of America on Russia,” he insisted. “Its stated, publicized foreign policy goal, repeated over and over, has been the strategic defeat of Russia. This has never had anything to do with Ukrainians’ freedom or democracy. Ukraine has been a pawn.”

Mykhailo Podolyak, the chief advisor to Volodymyr Zelensky, caused controversy this week with comments calling Crimea “a large military camp” populated by Russian “civilian occupiers.” Crimea has been culturally and geographically considered part of Russia for centuries until 1954, when then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev placed the territory under the administration of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

But the peninsula remained joined with Russia as part of the Soviet Union, only becoming separated from it during its collapse. Khrushchev’s transfer of the territory commemorated the 300-year anniversary of the Pereiaslav Agreement, the 1654 pact that formalized a political union between Ukraine with Russia. The peninsula maintained key military significance for Moscow, hosting its storied Black Sea Fleet.

The fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 left millions of ethnic Russian people living in its constituent republics separated from Russia, causing Putin to describe its demise as “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Podolyak’s controversial comments “reminiscent of the Nazi German attitude to Crimea,” suggesting the Ukrainian official wished to “cleanse” the territory of its ethnic Russian inhabitants. Host Garland Nixon faulted US President Joe Biden for his alliance with Kiev’s nationalist government, claiming the United States is attempting to “militarize” various countries to protect its own hegemony.

“Many people are not able to connect what’s been happening in the Donbass since 2014 – that’s 10 years now – which is a very slow motion genocide,” said Tremblay. “The killing of innocent civilians. It’s directly connected to the killing of more than 20,000 innocent people in Palestine at the hands of Israel and their backers, the United States. The United States is complicit in both of these atrocities. It’s barbaric.”

Nevertheless, Tremblay noted that “Putin has never acted impulsively.”

“Will Russia respond? Yes, certainly it will respond, but not in a way that will trigger World War Three,” said the filmmaker. “President Putin has made it very clear that he is not going to do anything that would inadvertently trigger a nuclear war between the United States and Russia. Putin will respond asymmetrically as he is doing.”

“Sergey Lavrov, the foreign minister, has been traveling throughout Asia and through Africa signing agreements, long-term agreements for development, for strategic partnerships and for military partnerships,” he noted. “This is, to me, how Russia is responding to the neverending United States escalation on Russia. Putin will not take the bait.”

“This is a very high risk, long-term vision,” Tremblay concluded.

"They’re looking long-term, completely believing that the hegemon is in rapid decline, and that their vision of a new world order is based on international law. It’s based on the principles of the United Nations Charter. It’s based on the sovereignty of all nations. And they do not want to risk this future world that they envision with some kind of an irrational, knee-jerk reaction that triggers the end of the world.”

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240627/putin-will-not-take-the-bait-russia-will-respond-prudently-to-crimea-attack-1119148707.html

I'm sure Medvedev will write another long and angry telegram post about this...

ucmvulcan wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:So 3 days since the attack on the beach in Crimea


Are we going to see a retaliation or counter-escalation or will it just be swept under the rug after a bunch of warnings and Telegram posts?

Swept under the rug it seems...Looks like Putin is biding his time to see if Trump wins so he can have talks in 2025 to end the war...Beijing will host these talks is my guess...

If he is naive enough to think he can talk with NATO and its Ukrainian puppets, then he is indeed an idiot.  My fear is you are right.  My hope is that Putin retaliates in times and manners of his choosing.  

I hope I'm wrong...but all signs are pointing towards this...

Putin is asleep at the wheel sadly...

And the excuse of "it's international waters, you can't shoot it down."

You think America would let an enemy near its borders collect data to help with an attack on its homeland, that would kill Americans and not do anything about it? This makes Putin and Russia look so weak and pathetic.

Thinking about Russia's report about intercepting missile over Beach in Crimea , and submunitions  then dispersing  . I think interception did happen , because the bomblets did not explode on landing . Well most of them !  I am thinking the normal procedure for release and arming of fuse ( electric fuse ) did not happen , therefore intercept took place . But it was when Rocket was in near terminal phase , the projectiles landing almost vertical !

So the American spy planes flying and watching the sky and ground ? On the ground metal sheets can be carried by normal cars in vertical position to reflect Radar big time . Going all over the place on different Roads . Drones can have Radar reflectors too , to look like Boeing 747 with the same electronic " leakage ! "








Treat them like mushrooms . Keep them in the dark and feed them Bull******.

Russia Hits Ukrainian Airfields Where Ukraine Wants to Station Western Aircraft - MoD, 06.27.2024.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian armed forces launched a group strike targeting Ukrainian airfields where Kiev plans to station Western-supplied aircraft, the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on Thursday.

"This morning, the Russian armed forces launched a group strike with long-range sea-based precision weapons, the Kinzhal airborne hypersonic missile, and unmanned aerial vehicles against Ukraine's airfield infrastructure planned to station aircraft from Western countries," the MoD said in a statement, adding that all targets were hit.

In addition, Russia’s Battlegroup Tsentr repelled six Ukrainian counterattacks in the past 24 hours, and Kiev’s losses in clashes amounted to 345 soldiers, according to the ministry.

"The Ukrainian armed forces lost up to 585 servicemen, four vehicles, a 155 mm US-made M777 howitzer, a 152 mm D-20 howitzer, a 122 mm 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system and a 122 mm D-30 howitzer [in clashes with Russia’s Battlegroup Zapad," the ministry noted, adding that Ukraine also lost over 640 soldiers in clashes with Battlegroup Yug and up to 190 soldiers in battles with Battlegroup Sever.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240627/russia-hits-ukrainian-airfields-where-ukraine-wants-to-station-western-aircraft---mod-1119151863.html

Russia warns that Ukraine's attack in Sevastopol will not go unanswered, 06.27.2024.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Ukrainian attack on the Russian city of Sevastopol will not be left without Moscow's response, the West must feel the risks of such actions, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said.

"The tragedy that happened in Sevastopol, of course, will not remain without our response. (...) Many in the West now think about certain scenarios that are acceptable; they must feel the extreme risks associated with such actions," Ryabkov said in an interview with the Rossiya 1 channel.

The deputy foreign minister recalled that the American ambassador to Moscow was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry on June 24 because Moscow has information "indicating the direct participation of the United States in the preparation and conduct of this terrorist act."

"The US side repeated the hackneyed arguments, many times already used and subject to recycling, that the US does not see any of this as far as its own participation is concerned," Ryabkov said.

On June 24, Ukrainian troops attacked the city of Sevastopol, on the Black Sea coast, with five American Atacms missiles with cluster munitions. The Russian air defense intercepted four of the missiles, while the fifth detonated in the air on the beach, causing four deaths, including a two-year-old girl and a nine-year-old girl with a total of 153 injured, of which 27 are also minors.

The UN Secretary General refrained from condemning the deadly Ukrainian attack. His deputy spokesman, Farhan Haq, limited himself to saying that the casualties among the civilian population during the hostilities were "unacceptable."

The Russian ambassador to the UN, Vasily Nebenzia, dismissed the silence of the international body in the face of the Ukrainian attack in Sevastopol as a "double standard" and emphasized that the United States was involved in the bombing of the city.

A Pentagon spokesman claimed that the Ukrainian military had no intention of attacking civilians in the Russian city of Sevastopol.

Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov warned his American counterpart Lloyd Austin in a telephone conversation on June 25 of the escalation of the conflict due to the continuous shipments of American weapons to Ukraine.

Security of Russia

The deputy minister confirmed that his country was ready to do everything possible to ensure its security in the face of provocations from the West.

"The Western provocateurs (...) they won't be able to hide in their bunkers if it comes to a really serious crash. They should understand that Russia is determined to do everything possible to guarantee its security and protect itself as a country, as a state," he said.

Ryabkov insisted that Russia has always warned that if it comes to the use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield, it will be difficult to control the following scenarios and escalation. The deputy minister called on the world to do everything possible to prevent a nuclear war in which there will be no winners. On the other hand, Ryabkov stressed that his country may possibly modify its nuclear doctrine.

"The time will come when adjustments could be made to the 'Fundamentals of geopolitics [in the matter of nuclear deterrence]' taking into account the experience gained during the special military operation, when the classic reading of nuclear deterrence did not work properly," he said.

Russian forces launched the special military operation in February 2022 to stop Ukrainian bombings against the civilian populations of Donetsk and Luhansk, two territories that gained independence from Ukraine in 2014 and were incorporated into Russia in September 2022.

The objectives of the military campaign are to stop the genocide of the peoples of Donetsk and Luhansk committed by the Ukrainian government since 2014 and to tackle the national security risks posed by NATO's advance to the east.

Ukraine is militarily supported by NATO, the war bloc led by the United States, a country that has one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world.

Moscow and Washington

The channels of communication between Russia and the United States remain open, the deputy minister said.
"The channels of communication with Washington are not closed, a very important telephone conversation was held the day before yesterday between Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov and his American counterpart, there are also contacts at other levels, through presidential administrations, intelligence services, diplomatic departments," he stressed.

According to the Russian diplomat, these contacts are of a regular nature. In addition, he stressed the importance of ties at the level of ambassadors and embassies.

Russia, the Russian deputy foreign minister said, is not going to suspend these contacts in addition to the "diplomatic efforts" that are also, in his opinion, "an important part of common work, especially during the current crisis."

Russia expands contacts with its partners in the field of military-technical cooperation

Moscow has encouraged negotiations with its partners on military-technical cooperation, Ryabkov added.

"The issue of Russia's military and military-technical cooperation with allies, with strategic partners has recently expanded, the geography of such consultations has also expanded," he stressed.

The expansion of contacts is due to the need to confront the medium-range missile systems that the United States deploys in various distant war scenarios, the diplomat explained.

Ryabkov pointed out that missiles of this type were previously prohibited by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty) signed in 1987 by the United States and the then Soviet Union, but in 2019 Washington broke it after deploying land-based missile systems abroad.

The deputy minister refrained from naming the countries with which Russia cooperates in this area and proposed to journalists to "see the map" to find out who they are.

Yandex Translate from Spanish.

https://latamnews.lat/20240627/rusia-advierte-que-el-ataque-de-ucrania-en-sebastopol-no-quedara-sin-respuesta-1155749132.html

This BS about moral high ground is meaningless. I doubt that majority of civilians in Russia share same opinion. It is easy to do virtue signalling from opposite side of the globe.
If this is really a war for survival of Russian state, some eggs will have to be cracked. Right now, Ukrainians are allowed to roam free and conduct terrorist attacks and executions.
Case in point is recent execution of ex-mayor of Kupyansk that happened in Stary Oskol. It was, sort of, pushed under the rug of Russian state owned media. Said mayor got some serious blowback from Ukrainians at the beginning of the war when his daughter that studied somewhere in Western Ukraine was abducted by nationalists.
Needless to say, that also looks very bad and anyone that might be considering to switch sides might choose not to do it. Protect your own people at any cost.
If you have to raze Rada in Kiev to the ground, down drones over Black Sea or hit Poland, so bee it. Otherwise, anger of the population will spill in opposite direction.
Saying "Vae victis" is as current and true as it was two thousand years ago.

This is the response after Russians were killed? What a joke...

The Agitators are out and about

Did it actually hit anything that made the risk worth while?

Nothing unusual about it - it's known as toss bombing. Dates back to WWII.

A similar method was used by the Russians but they used rockets fired from Su-25's and even Mi-24's with much longer reach.

Back then all the usual doomers and trolls went crazy

Expensive guided munitions for such dumb bombing. They should try replacing the bombs with some Ferrari.

the core imperial country was carrying all its colony states and boosting their standard of living at the expense of the mother country...

There were no colonies. Tashkent was a Russian city, just as Riga or Tiflis until the Communist Party pulled
some artificial borders out of her ass to become the only "uniting factor" for the whole construct.

https://regnum.ru/article/3898438 https://youtu.be/KmT9M-e0We4

I bet Zelensky won't have to pay for his evacuaton from Kiev!

Hole wrote:There were no colonies. Tashkent was a Russian city, just as Riga or Tiflis until the Communist Party pulled some artificial borders out of her ass to become the only "uniting factor" for the whole construct.

Communism really screwed everything up for Russia. People with Slavic blood running through their veins calling themselves an "ethnic" Ukrainian, Latvian, Estonian etc have deluded themselves into thinking that their genetics are somehow distinct and separate from a Russian.

It would be like a white Canadian, Australian or American disowning their European heritage and calling themselves an ethnic Canuck, Aussie or Texan.

Hole wrote:There were no colonies. Tashkent was a Russian city, just as Riga or Tiflis until the Communist Party pulled some artificial borders out of her ass to become the only "uniting factor" for the whole construct.

It is true that they were no colonies, but some of them had a long history and real independent culture, even if for a few centuries before russian conquest they had been protectorates of other countries, especially in the Caucasus. The problem is that being small countries and past their golden age they could not survive anymore without becoming a vassal of a larger empire.
As an example for Georgia this was not a problem when their southwestern neighbor was the (Eastern) Roman Empire, but when the ottoman came the situation was much different.

And imperial Russia did not manage that in the best way.
Probably it would have been better if Georgia stayed only a vassal nation (like what Armenia was for Rome in the 1st century BC) instead of being incorporated.

Anyway, for central Asia it is a bitter different I believe. Some of the cities there had a large importance in the past because of the silk road, but if I am not mistaken when Russia took over central asia there were not independent cultures of those regions, but various khanates and islamic states which were also a sort of foreign cultures. Please correct me if I am wrong.

But yeah, without those stupid soviet policies, central Asia would not have become so full of terrorist hotbeds.

The worst part is that they gave away a lot of russian lands inhabited by russian people to those new soviet republics.

Broski wrote:People with Slavic blood running through their veins calling themselves an "ethnic" Ukrainian, Latvian, Estonian etc have deluded themselves into thinking that their genetics are somehow distinct and separate from a Russian.

FYI, Latvians & Estonians r not Slavs at all, they r Balts related to Finns & other ancient tribes of the area around the Baltic Sea.

https://news.antiwar.com/2024/06/27/zelensky-we-dont-have-a-lot-of-time/

Broski wrote:It would be like a white Canadian, Australian or American disowning their European heritage and calling themselves an ethnic Canuck, Aussie or Texan.

We have plenty of woke liberal white middle-class race-traitors here in the Great Southern Gulag who are only too willing to identify as aborigines as part of their self-hate guilt-trip ideology. Its a bit like the US I 'spose with the obsession of their liberals with Critical Race Theory nonsense (we have so far however mostly been spared their LGBTQWERTY crusade to normalise/legalise the truly abhorrent practise of kiddy-diddling).

Well based on todays debate Zelensky will have to deal with Trump, the guy that seemed upset about billions being thrown into the war.

thegopnik wrote:Well based on todays debate Zelensky will have to deal with Trump, the guy that seemed upset about billions being thrown into the war.

Trump was the guy who actively started sending weapons to Ukraine. He sent them Javelin ATGMs like a year before the SMO started.

Do not expect the situation to improve in case Trump is elected.

Trumpet makes noises , but in reality he is managed by the deep state , just like Bidet . Still Russia and others are obliged to reciprocate with diplomatic pleasantries . The deep state will reinforce it's efforts to keep a healthy distance between America and Russia via situation in Ukraine . So expect more missile strikes inside Russia and then Russia responding most probably against yank sacrificial lambs there in Ukr . Body bags on TV , will get the average American , to come out in support of their involvement . More money for the MIC .