Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

billybatts91 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:So 3 days since the attack on the beach in Crimea


Are we going to see a retaliation or counter-escalation or will it just be swept under the rug after a bunch of warnings and Telegram posts?

Swept under the rug it seems...Looks like Putin is biding his time to see if Trump wins so he can have talks in 2025 to end the war...Beijing will host these talks is my guess...

If he is naive enough to think he can talk with NATO and its Ukrainian puppets, then he is indeed an idiot. My fear is you are right. My hope is that Putin retaliates in times and manners of his choosing.

Are we going to see a retaliation or counter-escalation or will it just be swept under the rug after a bunch of warnings and Telegram posts?

Half the fun is not indicating what is going to happen and let them stew and think the worst...

There is no deadline for the response...

For all we know the response might have been a shift in the border for Ukraine to the west.

The USSR collapsed due to ideological rot and corruption - not any inevitable economic burden. The USSR of 1980 was far wealthier and the standards of living far higher than in 1940 or 1950.

But that was the problem... the core imperial country was carrying all its colony states and boosting their standard of living at the expense of the mother country...

For example - too much resources was poured into the military to counter Reagan's space war hoax.

I don't rate Star Wars as a big drain on the budget... the cruise missiles and spending on the air defence is probably the biggest ticket item, and their performance in the current conflict suggests it was actually money well spent IMHO.

Another important point to consider is that the US won't be able to point all their nuclear weapons towards Russia because they need it against countries like India.

And China of course. Plus of course after all the fireworks go off I wonder if people from central and south America might keep moving north to see what is left and pick the ruins...

This was conformed by a Pentagon insider earlier this month - "If we're reduced to 30% of our capacity, we can't allow India to have a superior civilization in a post-nuclear conflict."

But see the undertone.... by the same measure they wouldn't be able to allow Russia or China or India... or dare I say it ...Europe survive and take over... they want to control the world and no one else is allowed to take their place... even when they are dead.

That is the leader of the western world everyone in the west supports... because Russia or China are evil.

Think about that.

Russia can't afford to be in a symmetric arms race again.

Of course it can, because this time around it is a part of BRICS but does not have to support BRICS on its own with its money and resources. It will share resources with BRICS countries and together they will develop and grow and work together... the market for goods and services is enormous and no one country is going to supply it all... everyone is going to supply to everyone and everyone is going to receive what it doesn't make for itself.

Pray to God it stays that way because the end of the war is going to unleash armies of men who are well-versed in assembling and operating FPV drones and its going to be open season on every commentator who has had dodgy opsec.

I have had a few people ask for their accounts to be deleted, and also a few have stopped posting. I hope they will resume when this conflict is over but I can't be sure.

Those 3 to 4.000 Ukrainian peasants don't mean shit to the Ukrainian higher ups and their NATO partners in crime who came up with these attacks.
What matters to them are their own lives.

Those 3-4K Orcs is the result that is going to end this conflict sooner rather than later... flashy show attacks that don't kill civilians (because the Russian military is not the war crime specialist the west and the Ukrainians are) takes time to organise and of course the western media and the Russian 5th column will ignore it and claim Putin did nothing and is weak... blah blah blah.

NATzO will have to raise an army over 2 million strong to attack Russia. But of course they won't and their only move is nuclear war. This implies
their own deletion, and if there is any rational thinking in the NATzO decider clique, then there will be no war on Russia.

But most importantly... the bigger the army the more targets for cluster munition armed Russian missiles that HATO defences don't seem capable of stopping... the death toll would be horrendous and the huge concentrations of HATO troops and their expert training wont protect them... their armour and soldiers would be horribly vulnerable unless they do what the Ukrainians did and hide amongst civilians...

Will they do that?

They will have to...

They are so addicted to hedonistic lifestyle that they would rather die than risk loosing it ? Yes perhaps rationality should not be expected of them . And with their finger on the nuclear trigger .......live and let ( the world ) die ! Therefore not sure about " no war on Russia . "

I am sure people will point out to them that WWIII is going to have a catastrophic effect on international trade and the US imports a lot of stuff so after WWIII has happened they are going to have to do without a lot of things... including electricity and sewerage and rubbish collection and lots of other important things that big cities can't operate without. Without fuel, which will be burned up rather quickly lots of other things are going to be a problem and without electricity a lot of freezers are going to shut down and let an enormous amount of food rot. A city with millions of people becomes a zoo very quickly... what cop is going to do his job when his family is at home and not safe. How do you feed a million people living so close together... cats and dogs and rats and birds are going to rapidly disappear. Cockroaches might become a staple of the American diet... of course because of the radiation they might be as big as horses.

I would say most people living in a 1 million plus city would probably have preferred to get hit by a nuke in comparison to the long slow death ahead of them.

Criminals will love it.

By the end of 2024, the United States will be able to produce 70,000. -80 thousand 155 mm artillery shells per month, which will allow Washington to support Ukraine more actively.

And who is going to fire them... and how many of these shells will reach the front line and be fired at the Russian forces?

Did they say how many barrels they can produce?

And what size crew is needed to operate the gun, let alone all the truck drivers that deliver these shells from HATO to the front line.

Of course.... that is their strategy.... advance backwards so the distance their support and supplies have to travel to reach the front line is much shorter...

They have spent a few mln pieces from own stocks, having those emptied.
It needs years to restock at this - even most optimistic - peak.
Good luck replacing made in 70s war stock of ammo with shiny new ones, $8000 a piece

Not to mention the modern long range high pressure ammo seems to wear out barrels rather faster than the older ammo, and of course the older guns still in use might not like the new higher pressure ammo... I hope they are checking that carefully because when they start getting that wrong...

And just wonder how is nitrocellulose production doing in the west?

Big orders for cotton to China I suspect... very important ingredient they don't have enough of it seems...

An interesting explanation of why Putin and the Government are not reacting in the way that some here are desperate for them to.

For those hoping Putin will unleash a terrorist attack on the west don't understand Putin.

Nazis and Ukrainians might think that is acceptable behaviour, but Putin is not that person... and you can cry and whine and complain, but at the end of the day when the truth is made plain to the Ukraine (I doubt the west will ever hear the truth), it will be obvious who the good guys were and who the bad guys were.

Fine, sure. But that doesn't really do anything for you.

Being on the right side of history means squat when you are dead.

Committing terrorism as a response is the wrong thing to do indeed. But striking at Ukraines command and political forces should be done to show that their commands and actions have consequences.

As of right now, they act with impunity all while innocent Russian lives are lost and more become easy targets because their government is too afraid to act.