Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

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flamming_python wrote:15 police officers

dafuq

It was 6, then 7, then 8, now 15

How did 6 militants manage all that?

Get 6 guys in positions

Kill someone

Wait for bunch of cops to show up

Start shooting

Voila, you already have high since digits (or more) within first 60 seconds

Terrorism ain't rocket science, if it were the usual suspects wouldn't be doing it

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Sorry but victory can still be a year away, or longer. Poland and Romania can be thrown into the mix. And NATO can step in....

If that happens just incinerate Poland and Romania into extinction

And before someone starts yelling "WW3" no, nobody gives a fúck about Romania

Maybe slightly about Poland but nowhere near enough to do anything about it

Especially not with their own asses on the chopping block



So can we please go back to actual war now?

Does the FOAB have any practical military (strike) application? NATO has again targeted Russian civilians in Donetsk.

Now that Russia has managed to build glide kits for the FAB-3000, perhaps its time to make one for the 7,000+ kg FOAB and start sending a couple to NATO accumulation points in Ukraine

This should spark some interest in Tehran.

Maria Zakharova:

“Canada has found Ukrainian entities responsible for the Boeing disaster. Which one and from when, you ask?

This refers to the tragedy on January 8, 2020, when due to human error, a Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) aircraft crashed near Tehran.

At that time, after the Americans killed Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Iran’s Quds Force, in Iraq, Tehran was prompted to put its military units on high alert. This turned the airspace over Iran into a "minefield." The tragedy claimed the lives of dozens of passengers and crew members, including 63 Canadians.

Recently, a court case in Canada related to this incident was concluded.

The verdict: the airline, Ukraine International Airlines (UIA), was found guilty of grossly violating the Montreal Convention on the unification of certain rules for international air transport. UIA allowed the flight to depart to a region classified as a "conflict zone."

It should be noted that Ukraine International Airlines virtually no longer exists. The company, which is required to pay $180,000 to the families of the disaster victims, is seeking to declare bankruptcy in the Kyiv Economic Court. This situation aligns perfectly with the spirit of liberal democracies.

Did someone forget that these prisoners probably used to be cunning criminals that don't want to die?

Mobilized prisoners are fleeing their massacre: the search for deserters continues in Ukraine - details

One of these cases is being actively discussed in Ukraine today. A group of prisoners escaped near Kiev; some of the media reported that they were armed, others that they were not.
The prisoners agreed to join the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They were brought to the Desna training center in the Chernigov region, from where they escaped, taking weapons with them (according to other sources, no). They are dressed in military uniform.
According to sources, the command of the military unit reported the flight to the commanders of the training center units.
In the evening, rumors appeared that some of those who fled were allegedly caught.
- RVvoenkor

Meanwhile other cunning Ukrainian criminals

Ukrainians robbed a state oil storage facility in the Chernigov region.

The detainees simply cut their pipe into the enterprise’s oil pipeline and drained 74 tons of fuel from there, local police reported.

by @sputniklive

PapaDragon wrote:

PhSt wrote:I'm sure this forum is under surveillance and is a TARGET of NATzO PIG Disinformation operations.
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Based. They are the coolest places.

Things are very slow, a huge explosion somewhere in Ukraine needs to happen soon. Hopefully accompanied by massive NATO casualties

PhSt wrote:
Does the FOAB have any practical military (strike) application? NATO has again targeted Russian civilians in Donetsk.

Now that Russia has managed to build glide kits for the FAB-3000, perhaps its time to make one for the 7,000+ kg FOAB and start sending a couple to NATO accumulation points in Ukraine

No.

and that 7K Kg FOAB has to be carried by at least Tu-22M3. Patriot,S-300 and Ukrainian wild Buk will kill it.

and that 7K Kg FOAB has to be carried by at least Tu-22M3. Patriot,S-300 and Ukrainian wild Buk will kill it.

I am suggesting that Russia create a glide kit for the FOAB so it can be released far away from enemy AD range. Also, why build this weapon in the first place if there is no reliable delivery method, traditional bombing run like in WWII is obsolete with today's AD

PhSt wrote:

and that 7K Kg FOAB has to be carried by at least Tu-22M3. Patriot,S-300 and Ukrainian wild Buk will kill it.

I am suggesting that Russia create a glide kit for the FOAB so it can be released far away from enemy AD range. Also, why build this weapon in the first place if there is no reliable delivery method, traditional bombing run like in WWII is obsolete with today's AD

and how big do you think the glide kit would be ? Remember that aerodynamics exist. It's always enticing to "think big" but you're gonna run into trouble very soon. This is typical Lift to Drag ratio for a Tactical missiles based on form, This also applies to Guided bombs.



You may notice the L/D max for tactical weapons are about 6 at most with lifting body shape. This lifting body however requires some complex development and testing. Thus why there arent many around and they're often not cheap to make e.g JASSM's, Taurus and Storm Shadow. While "axisymmetric" weapon or "winged" weapon have about 2-4.

This L/D is especially importan for guided bomb as their range are proportional to Launch altitude multipled by that L/D, you may also hear term "Glide ratio" that's the same thing. Thus for long range you either need a big winged weapon, or lifting body weapon or high launch altitude.

If you desire to say, outrange Patriot with 160-220 Km (yes I did see discussion in SimHQ regarding GEM-T missiles) If your weapon can only manage L/D of 5, you need to launch it from say at least 180/5 = 36 km. No Russian or any bombers fly that high atm. Otherwise if you wanna launch from modest altitude like say typical UMPK from 10000 m you need L/D of 18. Which might be challenging to achieve, as your gliding kit needs bigger wing, more structure and naturally more weight.

In his view, Putin asked for too much and miscalculated https://youtu.be/r1MfBGlBh2k

So according to this mil. historian & former gov. official analysis, the war will drag on till the US elections r over & possibly 5 years past them so NATO allies can better prepare against the percieved Russian threat ... unless, IMO, Russia, with the help of NK workers, imported Chinese means of production & African mercenaries he mentioned, scores victory. Time will tell!

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/four-questions-joe-biden-should-have-to-answer-in-the-first-presidential-debate/

If you desire to say, outrange Patriot with 160-220 Km (yes I did see discussion in SimHQ regarding GEM-T missiles) If your weapon can only manage L/D of 5, you need to launch it from say at least 180/5 = 36 km. No Russian or any bombers fly that high atm. Otherwise if you wanna launch from modest altitude like say typical UMPK from 10000 m you need L/D of 18. Which might be challenging to achieve, as your gliding kit needs bigger wing, more structure and naturally more weight.

The glide kit is just one of the possible delivery option, if current technologies make such a kit difficult due to the size and weight of FOAB, then another option is to create a shortened and cheap version of the Tu-22M, make it unmanned and then slap the FOAB somewhere in the fuselage to create a Giga Geran kamikaze drone.

So according to this mil. historian & former gov. official analysis, the war will drag on till the US elections r over & possibly 5 years past it so NATO allies can better prepare against the percieved Russian threat

Nothing is preventing the NATO hyenas bordering Russia to better prepare against the perceived threat from Russia, after liberating all of Ukraine and incorporating the territories back to Russia, its understood that NATO will make every effort to rearm, this is where Rusia will need to increase their nukes to my proposed minimum of 500,000 warheads (1000 megatons each) for Maximum Global Extermination in case NATO Freaks do something stupid. Yes, Its Better to burn the world than to be enslaved by NATO vermins. This is the only way to salvation.

The new arms race is what Putin & his advisors wanted to avoid- I doubt Russia can afford it; even "the great & mighty USSR" was hurting while participating in it.
Who neds so many nukes when they can use PGMs to hit NPPs, SSBN/AF bases & other infrastructure from subs & planes in the mid-Atlantic/Pacific? Also a few Poseidons can devastate both US Coasts.

The UCAV was very effective in the beginning . When one side had not even any AD to counter them , and before even the Sandal wearing super-soldiers built their own ! Everyone was hypnotized by their own success . There are now " drone , " super powers ! This is because these weapons are not tested against a peer opponent . Russia using the UCAV against America , will not work . Satellites will be taken out . All the thousands of drones made useless . The GPS guided shells too ....

And these glide bombs ? Build more ? Turn everything into glide ? But against a peer opponent with AD and fighter jets , then they will not work . All thousands of glide bombs made useless . Everyone hypnotized by their own success . So everything should be made , so it can be used against all opponents of different capability and under all possible situations . Everything should work without GPS , Radar , satellites , electronics , post an EMP or even nuke strike .

Leaving a small region untouched and safe for the Gayto- Nazi core is recipe for trouble . It will not be viable , depending on aid from NATO to survive . With increasing population , the only route for survival will be acting as proxy against Russia to continue with forevermore wars . Very much like the Zionists entity situation . This situation should be avoided . Better to take control of entire Ukrs territory , even with unavoidable insurgency for a time , or better leave a viable territory for Ukrs , but without the Orcs present .

The new arms race is what Putin & his advisors wanted to avoid- I doubt Russia can afford it; even "the great & mighty USSR" was hurting while participating in it.

This is a GAYNATzO narrative, If USSR had Putin or someone like Stalin as its head of state instead of Gorbachev, there would have been NO collapse because all traitors will be killed and mutilated as they all deserve to be

Who neds so many nukes when they can use PGMs to hit NPPs, SSBN/AF bases & other infrastructure from subs & planes in the mid-Atlantic/Pacific? Also a few Poseidons can devastate both US Coasts.

GAY NATzO leadership thinks that they can absorb/ survive the current Russian nuke stockpile of 5000+ warheads in the event of a nuclear war, if Russia has 500,000 pieces of 1000 megaton warheads it will make a Huge difference in GAY NATzO thinking process.

Tsavo Lion wrote:In his view, Putin asked for too much and miscalculated https://youtu.be/r1MfBGlBh2k

So according to this mil. historian & former gov. official analysis, the war will drag on till the US elections r over & possibly 5 years past them so NATO allies can better prepare against the percieved Russian threat ... unless, IMO, Russia, with the help of NK workers, imported Chinese means of production & African mercenaries he mentioned, scores victory. Time will tell!

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/four-questions-joe-biden-should-have-to-answer-in-the-first-presidential-debate/

We have a place for this sorta content. In the 'Western propaganda' thread

Maginot fukin line on ukro scale

The Maginot line was a tremendous success, but this is a joke in comparison.

Because it's a process, only fools rush.

After the collapse of their military quite a few of those Yellow regions will want to be Red and remember their Soviet heritage... and probably change their opinion of the west just like Russians should have in the 1990s and now.

It is not good to be too optimistic but it is OK to dream.

Now someone needs to unfuck the whole thing and for good this time because problem is not in Washington, it's in Ukraine

Can we agree it is both places...

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I should put that on the Home page...

Russia is a law abiding country almost to a fault, so they're not going to annex Galicia,

In terms of international law this region will be surrendering when the rest of the country surrenders so there will be no need for any Annexation to take place.

genocide the Nazi worshippers living there or mass deport them to the EU.

As you say, Russia is a law abiding country and will comb through those regions looking for criminals for which they have spent the last few years gathering evidence against meticulously... letting them run away to the west is the last thing they should be doing.

Lots of hard labour prison sentences to rebuild and repair... the ones with life sentences can clear mines... with their feet.

I am suggesting that Russia create a glide kit for the FOAB so it can be released far away from enemy AD range. Also, why build this weapon in the first place if there is no reliable delivery method, traditional bombing run like in WWII is obsolete with today's AD

It is already a big bomb so making it heavier would not be a huge problem so fitting a decent area of wing surface and a solid rocket propulsion system to boost its speed and altitude a bit could be a useful development...

In his view, Putin asked for too much and miscalculated

Many of the goals are not completed... I rather suspect Putin is overjoyed the west has refused the current offer which they rejected out of hand.

As they get further offers which get progressively worse they will eventually realise their choices are either to massively fund and support Kiev to the point where Kiev can defeat the Russian military... which might involve trillions of dollars and still might not work, or agree as soon as possible to get the best deal available.

I hope they don't work it out... it is obvious but they are stuck in an escalation spiral they don't know how to get out of... they don't know what else to do.

So according to this mil. historian & former gov. official analysis, the war will drag on till the US elections r over & possibly 5 years past them so NATO allies can better prepare against the percieved Russian threat ... unless, IMO, Russia, with the help of NK workers, imported Chinese means of production & African mercenaries he mentioned, scores victory.

The risky resort to terrorism and talk... even though it is just talk, of HATO troops on the ground is evidence that Kiev is close to collapse and the west is close to abandoning them.

I don't think Putins offer was tough enough with the cards he holds.

create a shortened and cheap version of the Tu-22M, make it unmanned and then slap the FOAB somewhere in the fuselage to create a Giga Geran kamikaze drone

Not possible or practical... no version of Tu-22M would be cheap and if it gets shot down and does not reach its target it has no value at all.

A solid rocket booster plus a few wings and control surfaces added to the FOAB would go some way to being effective, but what sort of target would make such a weapon necessary.

(besides AFAIK the FOAB is 11 tons and has a 44K ton HE equivalent power).

The new arms race is what Putin & his advisors wanted to avoid- I doubt Russia can afford it;

They can easily afford it, the economy is going well, but why waste money like that... they are not the American government you know.

You live in an alternative reality. Even if the F-16 regularly takes off from Poland and Romania, firing cruise missiles from them into the territory of Russia, etc., the Kremlin will not lift a finger towards Poland and Romania. They will do absolutely nothing except express outrage. NATO knows this very well, which is why it will do so.

Putin has already said that targets outside of Ukrainian territory that are being used in strikes against Russian forces inside the Ukraine and inside Russia will be attacked.


What do you think that means?

The west didn't think Putin would invade the Ukraine either... and they were wrong. (I didn't think they would either and I was wrong about that too).

USSR had Warsaw Pact and client nations throughout the world. USSR also had an absolutist system where standard of living was provided by the government in exchange for doing a job.

Russia has no such system, they don't have a strong tied military alliance with millions of personnel and equipment in foreign countries. Russia doesn't prop up client nations with money and guns as USSR did with communist states, Russia trades with foreign partners. Russia doesn't have to provide housing and commodities for everyone. Remember how Poland had shops with western-exclusive gadgets like walkmans they had to subsidize heavily to have prices even affordable for "comrades on high positions". USSR also did that with imports, if imports were in consumers chain their internal price would be adapted to what can be paid by the domestic consumer, the difference in cost would be covered by the state.

USSR did not blow up due to high-tech military spending. USSR was slowly crumbling due to its internal and external cost of political operations. The weight of new military spending such as subs, nuclear cruisers, 4th gen aircraft and stuff was just thrown atop so everything broke down fast.

Re. NATO it's all fine and dandy but where are they going to collect 100.000 regular soldiers to stop Russia once Russia depletes Ukraine of its manpower? NATO may be able to boost military spending and invest into production to somewhat come to level with Russian numbers, although that's debatable and IMO unrealistic, they may have 1000s of generals and instructors and experts and whatnot, but without soldiers it's all meaningless. Consider that Russia removed a few hundred thousand Ukr soldiers from the field, even if NATO could muster 100k people for fight, those soldiers would have to fight at least 5x as effectively. Consider that Ukrainian soldier's incentive for war might be patriotism or fright from fleeing due to motivational troops or both. NATO forces don't fight for their country and they don't have anti-flee measures. So all the techno-gizmos they can use because they have native training is like a 10x multiplier? Sure.

And hundred thousand people is a lot. A lot. If EU could motivate 100.000 people of younger age to start working in industrial sector Russia would be in bigger problem now and EU economy would be on the rise. Young people here do not want to work in 3 shifts, they do not want to work "old-school" non-creative quota based jobs. Good luck in trying to motivate them for war outside their own country.

Btw. they're measuring social perception about willingness to fight Russia in polls, basing their warmongering on that. Only a % of people claiming they would fight, would actually enlist. Only a % of those would pass basic physical checks. Only a % of those would actually pass the training. Only a % of those trained, would not have a mental breakdown once they reach the frontline.