Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Then stop talking and start doing.

Says the NATzO Dog who barks alot

ALAMO wrote:

kvs wrote:There were clear secondary explosions so this was a real target.

Nope, those are 4 bombs.
Two first hit almost simultaneously side by side.

You are right I only noticed the multiple moving shadows in the top of the video frame after looking at it again. I was too focused on the explosion.

Anyway, not a beach full of civilians.

They should guide some bombs into Khuyiv government buildings. Those are legitimate targets even the people working there are technically civilians. All participants in the
war crime Khuyiv regime are legitimate targets for elimination and prosecution.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

kvs wrote:So Khuyiv maggot Podolyak has chirped that civilians in Crimea are "occupiers" and legitimate targets.   So no beach or square should be safe for them.

This is the sort of blood libel vermin that Ukr nazionalists are.   They bleat that the Donbass was "occupied" by Russians after the Holodomor.   This
is a two stage lie.   There was no Holodomor, and some famine produced by the burning of crops and killing of livestock by "resisters" is not any
Holocaust.   It was a crime perpetrated by the resisters.   Ethnic Russians settled the whole of the eastern bank of the Dnepr River in the 1600s
as it was unpopulated in the wake of the Tatar-Mongol horde destroying Kievan Rus.   Kiev was burned to the ground.   "Ukraine" became
depopulated.   There were no Ukrainians living on these lands.   It is the western Ukr nazionalists who are the wannabe occupiers.

Then stop talking and start doing.

Non sequitur retard.

kvs wrote:So Khuyiv maggot Podolyak has chirped that civilians in Crimea are "occupiers" and legitimate targets.   So no beach or square should be safe for them.

This is the sort of blood libel vermin that Ukr nazionalists are.   They bleat that the Donbass was "occupied" by Russians after the Holodomor.   This
is a two stage lie.   There was no Holodomor, and some famine produced by the burning of crops and killing of livestock by "resisters" is not any
Holocaust.   It was a crime perpetrated by the resisters.   Ethnic Russians settled the whole of the eastern bank of the Dnepr River in the 1600s
as it was unpopulated in the wake of the Tatar-Mongol horde destroying Kievan Rus.   Kiev was burned to the ground.   "Ukraine" became
depopulated.   There were no Ukrainians living on these lands.   It is the western Ukr nazionalists who are the wannabe occupiers.

He at the minimum said that there can be no 'peaceful life' or 'beaches' or other 'symptoms of a normal life' in the Crimea.

I don't see any reason why Russia would want to keep him around at this stage.

The guy is s self confessed serial killer - justice will be served

ALAMO wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:The drone shoot down didn’t happen

Lmao

Then why FB would lie?

Good one
I own you

You see Archie ... now you don't belive FB, because it does not fit your theory.

Everything is simpler. FB didn't talk about the downing. He said that he was finally prevented from conducting reconnaissance without hindrance. Those who reposted his message thought about the downing of the drone. And then, as they say in Russia, "shit rushed through the pipes"

"Senior military officials in Kiev were responsible for shooting down a Russian transport plane that was carrying Ukrainian prisoners of war for an exchange earlier this year, Russia’s Investigative Committee said on Tuesday.

The Ilyushin Il-76M aircraft was downed by a US-made Patriot interceptor missile on January 24, according to Russian investigators. All those on board, including 65 POWs, three Russian guards, and six crew members, were killed in the crash."

https://www.southfront.press/investigation-concluded-russian-il-76-with-ukrainian-pows-shot-down-by-patriot-missiles/ this is a report on the official version of who shot down the PoWs on their way to the exchange.

Look at this american filth pleased with Russian civilians being killed...

wrote:By who?

I believe Finland is rolling out a first ever vaccine for humans against bird flu. I can highly recommend it.

Shooting down drones.

This is the common one. That one can be done without retaliation as seen in Yemen.

Shooting down drones wont do a whole huge lot of good, they have a wide range of recon options including satellites and other equipment as well as most likely a lot of spies too.

But it will feel good doing something.

Plus of course western drones are horribly expensive and not so easy to replace.

Don't promise consequences, everyone has heard it 100 times. Just do it if you're going to.

It is important to give warnings so the enemy understands when they get hit what happened and why.

Most are fucking idiots but a few will notice and start to point out the reckless behaviour of those in power...

You know, like NATO itself is. How many warnings from them about doom and gloom and attacks on Russia have you heard? Virtually none.

They have been saying the goal is to destroy Russia economically and militarily since the start of the conflict.

But when a missile is damaged by ad or ew and hits civilians, just like has happened to some russian missiles, isn't that just part of the tragedy of war?

Cluster bomb warheads for a while were considered a war crime in themselves but launching them at a region that has civilians as well as military targets is considered a war crime too.

A murderer wont get off a charge of murder by saying they were aiming for someones leg but they ducked down so their bullet hit them in the head and killed them...

Supplying weapons to terrorists is committing all those crimes yourself.

Don't let them be the ones who decide the time and the location and the level of escalation. Russia has escalation dominance, it's its own turf. Let them be the ones who sweat instead.

But Russia is winning... escalation doesn't make things better for Russia, escalation is a move of desperation by the West because they are losing and will lose if they don't do anything.

At a time when American missiles operated by Americans are crashing down on Russia I dare say you have all the justification you need.

Except this was just an unfortunate accident really... all five threats were hit but one was not properly destroyed.

In Desert Storm a Patriot hit a Scud and caused its path to deviate and it hit a building full of marines... the Americans blamed the Iraqis then but they will sing a different tune over this of course.

You're assuming the West is reasonable and will be willing to cut a deal if not now then somewhere down the line

I don't give a **** about the west, I don't think Putin and Russia should ever trust them on any level at all, they are scum and they simply don't deserve any respect.

The current bunch of arseholes will be swapped out in elections coming up but I don't think those coming to replace them will be any better.

It is simply a case of continuing the plan of destroying Ukrainian forces till they collapse and dealing with each instance of the wests bullshit as it happens to punish them each time.

Things like attacks on civilians or sinking ships gets headlines, while the damage and death Russia inflicts in response is largely ignored and not mentioned so some fools think Russia is not responding... but it is... and every success Kiev pretends to achieve they are only making their own situation much worse.

I also suspect Putin is putting comments in the margins of the peace agreement offers with terms getting worse with each action by the west.

Most of the time the stupid actions of the west are useful.

Stealing Russian assets will enable Russia to pick and choose what to steal from western companies and western entities in Russia and will be very valuable and useful moving forward with the Russian future that largely does not include the west.

Why would the situation end if the West sees that Putin is all bark and no bite?

Why do you think Putin acting crazy would change the western opinion of him or their reckless escalation strategy. They are adopting a reckless escalation strategy because that is all they have now... money wont fix anything because there is no ammo or weapons to buy and money only buys mercs for so long... especially when they are used as cannon fodder. They have nothing left so they have gone back to the original plan... make Putin unpopular and create civil war in Russia and that isn't going to work either.... they are fucked... and rapidly running out of time.

This isn't about revenge, it's about results

Results are always hard to predict.

But with regard to results, none of this will result in the Western elites currently threatening Russia being deposed from power, at least not immediately.

But that is not Putins goal. Fixing western countries by destroying their corrupt and selfish and broken systems of government is useful for Russia... the west is not ready to cooperate or show Russia respect so why would Russia even consider fixing their problems? Russia is better off if this separation between west and Russia continues because at the same time Russia is working to build up BRICS and alternatives to the international organisations and structures that the west dominates and uses to control other countries. Let those russophobes remain in power and let them continue to destroy their countries as they grow richer and the common man gets poorer.

And it's to these Western elites that the correct messages must be sent. And by sent I mean branded on their foreheads so that they don't forget.

If you mean damage their interests and seize the spoils of Ukraine they were hoping to take for themselves, then I fully agree.

I would also add track down their income streams and sources and sabotage them or pollute them so they lose the thing they care most about... their own money.

Yes Russia has played its cards brilliantly. Now the West is clambering onto the table in a rage like that guy from Lock Stock & Two Smoking barrels who lost at poker during the game near the start of the film and was promptly thrown out by the bouncers. So what's Russia going to do?

The west has been self defeating so far, is it wrong to expect them to do better when they get angry?

Shooting down some drones might trigger some more stupid actions by then which can be used to justify other actions Russia can take... but it is important to keep in mind they are bastards and irrational.

I'm not saying Putin needs to leave. That's what the West is saying

But it is true that Putin has become too predictable. NATO has developed a mathematical model for him and can predict his responses to stimuli.

Putin needs to mix things up a bit.

His decisions have panned out best for Russia so far, why don't we ignore the western propaganda and let him finish this game and then decide what he should have done and when like good little critics.

When you don't fully know the strategy it makes no sense to comment till you see if it is successful or not.

Western propaganda is all about blowing all their actions out of proportion and claiming victory with every Russian death or setback, yet progress on the actual battlefield is pretty much all one way which they want you to not notice.

Russia doesn't need to play the West's games, it needs to show the bully his place.

Nah, they have stood up to him and he is trying to hurt you but is only making his own situation worse.

Don't think you are going to kill this bully, or even break his arm... Russia only has one way of doing that and it will destroy you both. You don't have guns or knives, you have bombs and no where to take cover when they go off so when you hurt him you also hurt yourself and vice versa.

That is how conflicts between countries works.

The best thing for Russia, the most realistic goal that Russia can achieve is complete independence from the west and minimal interaction and relations for the next few decades. Destroying the west or fixing it is simply not something Russia could achieve without destroying itself.

The west is powerful and Putin is letting the west use its enormous power to damage itself and to break the ties it has with Russia itself.

No, you fight evil as you must fight it.
And be nice with everybody else. That'll already be an improvement compared to the West.

The most damaging part of the west is the infection. You can't tell someone the west is evil, but you can show them how evil they are...

But they've decided to mix things up. They're being confrontational like never before

Because they are desperate and don't know what else to do.

After decades of being able to dictate terms they don't know what negotiations are.

And Putin has not adapted to that as yet. In fact the Russian elite seems to be in denial.

So Putins crime is his success?

That's just the problem. Putin said. Instead of Putin did.

Responses take time to formulate and implement. Putin said and right now likely quite a few responses are in the process of being formed and executed.

Things like the location the missiles used were stored, HQs that formulated the plans for the attack, other locations and targets that will increase the suffering of the Ukrainian people... they have already hit some and over the next few days and weeks and months other targets will be hit too... not to mention targets in the west will be found and people wanting to hurt the west located and communicated with and supplied with weapons and information... all those disaffected illegal immigrants in Europe are going to be rather useful moving forward.

Maybe they can mix up a real batch of Novachok and release it near Porton Down this time and watch the fun and games of a real attack with the real deal instead of the British Intel fun and games coverup of what was probably a leak from the bio weapons lab near there.

Nor do you have to be. You need to retaliate against the same NATO military infrastructure working in support of strikes against your soldiers and your civilians.

That is the sort of thing they have done in the past against HATO infrastructure and personnel in Ukraine. Warnings have been given about escalations and those warnings have been ignored so why not follow through on the warnings?

Without the warnings the reaction from the other side could be unpredictable. Now you can point to the warnings and say we told you so.

But is she smart enough to realize that if they escalate and Russia does nothing, then they can still win?

Things have escalated out of control in the past... good examples include WWI and WWII... do we need to add WWIII to that list because right now that would not suit the Russian economy.

The future is looking rather bright for Russia, why let the collapse of the west ruin it and take you down with them?

Putin needs to get his Stalin act going. And post-WW2 Stalin at that.
**** the crazed cowboy crap that the US is trying for.

Putin managed much better results that Stalin did without the bullshit and the death.

Why change to a failed method now at the point close to victory.

If I'm racing a Lamborghini around the city at 150mph and then I lose control, pelt down the pavement and kill your loved ones (God forbid) - isn't that just part of the tragedy of car accidents?

Totally agree... cluster warheads near populated civilian areas is a war crime.

Western definition... not mine.

Even if this war was to drag on for the next 10 years (it won't), landlocking the Ukraine would be the single most effective means of limiting NATO's options of attack against Russia, specifically Crimea. It would also cut off a vital supply link between the Ukraine and Romania.

Not a bad map, but why so much Yellow?

He is probably right, but I hope 2nd term Trump will be able to push his agenda.

Trump is too weak and so easily distracted or fooled into going against his own interests.

But to be fair he got the US and HATO out of Afghanistan... maybe his achievement for a second term will be getting the US out of Ukraine... or even HATO... or both.

Finnish media is rejoicing the recent terrorist attacks in Russia saying they are "poison for Putin".

Just keep building that wall there mate... the sooner it is finished the better.

He always does. Anyone taking him seriously needs their heads checked.

He?

Are you mistaking Flamming Pything (FP) with Facebook (FB)?

Look at this american filth pleased with Russian civilians being killed...

It is only OK if the US or Israel is doing it...

Karl Haushofer wrote:
Nah, didn't take the covid jab either.

What! Then this is your chance to contribute selflessly to medical science.

IMO not even this Banderite enclave can be allowed to exist.

flamming_python wrote:Azov and the rest of the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are just goons

The real demons are those in power in Washington and other Western capitals, and who have concocted this whole scheme in the first place in a bid to ensure their continued dominance of the world

Wrong

Washington concocted many such schemes over the decades but not even once did their goons behave so fanatically and with such single minded dedication as Ukrainians

So in this case goons definitely ARE the main problem and not a new one, this problem should have been put into the ground back in '46 but Soviets fucked up

Now someone needs to unfuck the whole thing and for good this time because problem is not in Washington, it's in Ukraine