Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

ucmvulcan wrote:
Could be, but then NATO does have satellites and Ukraine would love to brag about downing an A-50.  They would provide pics if there were pics.  Its so strange that nobody has posted any. .. Anyways, Russian military censorship I get but why no Ukrainian photos? What reason do they have to keep photographic evidence of the destroyed A-50 a secret.  I should think it would be a confidence boost for NATO

the Azov Sea isn't known to have clear water, so a sunken wreckedge won't yield a good identifiable picture; on land the wreckage debries can be quickly moved/collected/covered with camouflage.
The absence of any evidence isn't=evidence of absence.

You are still talking about the latest season on Inventflix?
Call me shocked we have our regular concern trolls involved

Only the fact that the news is coming from UNIAN, and is being actively copied and spread by all of western propaganda makes it smell by a mile.

Let's consider that Russkie put some charges against Ukrainian AD unit commander as a true event.

They can't blame the guy for doing his job under war conditions - it is illogical.
That would mean they are to trial and jail every single Ukranian officer - which was never the case.
They have imprisoned hundreds of Ukrainian officers and never did such a thing.
ONLY in cases of clear criminal activities, and specified people charged with murder, and criminal things in general.

They claim 10 people.
A-50 crew is bigger than that.

The area where A-50 was called shot down is 200 km, a straight line, from the Rus-Ukr administrative borders.
Not the front line - borders.
Patriot in none of its operational configurations has a range to operate at such a distance.
Even with the newest, still nonoperational, PAAC-4 missiles.

Last but not least, the huge plane with easy to distinguish shapes, was supposed to be downed over a sea being 4m deep in some areas.
And being actively used for fishing, transportation etc.
Yet we don't have a single photo, film of falling pieces, nothing.
Even in shitty quality, satellite pics.

Those things do not add up.

What does?

Well, a case of Il-76 with prisoners.

It was a criminal act because the exchange was agreed upon.
The plane was shot down in a carefully planned ambush, when propaganda success was called no matter the lost lives of almost 80 Ukrainians.

A crew of Il-76 with guards can be 10 people, some Russian news claimed 9 back then.

Why they don't call the 70+ dead Ukrs?
Because it is not Russian court jurisdiction to judge a citizen of another state for murdering his own compatriots.

So if you are asking me, if we only consider UNIAN information as partially true, all the other indications suggest that we are talking about Il-76 downing.

Don't bother with the date - they are so used to lying, that they don't bother with such details either.
Or just glued the date to the previous inventflix about A-50.

The last 2+ years should have taught everyone who ownes at least two brain cells, that every piece of information from the Ukro side can be considered fake, until 120% proven right. Which is clearly not a case here.

Slam dunk to ALAMO. Its just a nothing burger, and a 4am, dried-out, been-in-the-rack-all-night burger at that. Maybe the Ukrop trench fodder starving due to lack of supplies might eat it but would sentient lifeforms? Nope.

What if the Russians won't allow any pics of destroyed A-50s leaked out?

There is no shortage of retards in Russia with cameras, ready to give Ukraine free propaganda material.

Should the investigative committee be accused as well?

Why?
There is nothing coming from them that supports what you reposted here from fighterbomber.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:
Could be, but then NATO does have satellites and Ukraine would love to brag about downing an A-50.  They would provide pics if there were pics.  Its so strange that nobody has posted any. .. Anyways, Russian military censorship I get but why no Ukrainian photos? What reason do they have to keep photographic evidence of the destroyed A-50 a secret.  I should think it would be a confidence boost for NATO

the Azov Sea isn't known to have clear water, so a sunken wreckedge won't yield a good identifiable picture; on land the wreckage debries can be quickly moved/collected/covered with camouflage.
The absence of any evidence isn't=evidence of absence.

Except this is Ukraine we are talking about. They claim bare spots in a wheat field mean that they took out every single S-400 in European Russia. The fact that they aren't even trying to show photographic evidence should tell you something.

Well it went down about as well as I thought it would

They are not very smart and don't understand that the quicker they agree to discuss terms the better those terms will be for Kiev.

The more they dither the worse it will be for the west, and the better it will be for those Ukrainians who survive.

The situation is difficult because the West does not want to think about defeat. In fact, the West will not give up until Russia occupies a significant part of Ukraine, or Ukraine capitulates because they run out of people. Then NATO can also think about direct intervention.

The Ukrainian armed forces is not in a good place now and it is not getting any better. Eventually they will collapse no matter how much money the west sends or lends to them and then it will be a case of stability while elections and referendums start.

Let the people decide... the Ukrainian leaders can't be trusted anyway.

It says it was patrolling and it says it happened on February 23. This is when Ukrainians claimed A-50 was downed. Il-76 in Belgorod was downed in January. Also, mentions 10 people dead and in IL-76 downing over 70 people were killed.

The Orcs claim it was a transport plane carrying more S-300 missiles for the Russians to launch at apartment buildings in Kiev to kill innocent civilians...

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US Army Officer confirms the Ukrainans are winning.... thanks Tsavo... good to know.

What if the Russians won't allow any pics of destroyed A-50s leaked out?
It's called military censorship.

Military censorship would also apply to the Il-76 transporting POWs...

I will give this war maybe like another 5 years until it's over.

You can if you like, but the Orcs are getting pushed back and there are no replacements in sight.

The only hope would be HATO troops to fill rear positions to allow those troops to be freed up to come to the front and you can bet your arse they have been making good money with the power they have operating where they are and they know exactly what is going on at the front and have no intention of going there... The chances of insurrection massively increase when you try to send these guys to the front.

Note Naval news moved here.

thegopnik wrote:looking at last year and probably the end of this year there wont be major changes on the map. Still there are some Ukrainians in Germany they didnt send back and the pace of the war allows more defensive lines to be built. US is ready to draft their soldiers into Ukraine next. I will give this war maybe like another 5 years until it's over.

The odds that the US will draft people to fight in Ukraine is precisely zero percent. All the congressional actions about automatic draft registration is simply empty posturing. The American public is fat and happy. No one is going to accept their sons or daughters being drafted to fight and die for some corrupt oligarchs and and their western bankers in Ukraine. During Viet Nam it took years for popular discontent to rise to a level that made the war unsustainable, in 2024 it would take weeks.

The POW shoot down was good propaganda for Russia as it made Ukriane look evil or incompetent. It also would also pacify Ukranian pows who would be even less willing to go home

calripson wrote:The odds that the US will draft people to fight in Ukraine is precisely zero percent. All the congressional actions about automatic draft registration is simply empty posturing. The American public is fat and happy. No one is going to accept their sons or daughters being drafted to fight and die for some corrupt oligarchs and and their western bankers in Ukraine. During Viet Nam it took years for popular discontent to rise to a level that made the war unsustainable, in 2024 it would take weeks.

Popular discontent is already at that level. The protests against the war on Palestine have already reached the level of the Vietnam-era protests, or close to it. The same 18-26 population group that they're targetting for this law is the same one that has been out on the streets and university campuses for the last 9 months. And that's without even direct American involvement in the war.

If before the Palestine episode I would have told you that organizing a draft in the US and the wider West is possible, be it at most a limited semi-voluntary one, as it would quickly run into all the same issues you listed above and likely wouldn't go too well - then after it I'll tell you that it's simply not feasible full stop. Who's going to go? The same white people that feel their leaders hate them, the same brown people that feel their leaders hate them, the same young people that see they don't have anywhere near the opportunities their parents and grandparents had, the same Muslims who are being pulverized by the US's closest ally in Gaza?

The US Armed Forces is still over 600k men if you count the US Army and the USMC. It's a force to reckon with, even without mobilization.

Add European allies (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Finland) and it grows to almost 1.5m men.

Some might say it doesn't matter because those are all fags and transsexuals and not real men... do not fall for that. Don't underestimate NATO.

caveat emptor wrote:

Mir wrote:
More likely that it could have been a Tu-134 or even an Il-18 on a training mission for what we know.

Tu-134, seriously?! We are not in the 1980's, anymore.
Coping of some members is really hilarious. It must take a serious toll on mental state. HAGD, comrade Mir!

Sorry captain but the Tu-134 still serves to this day in some Russian transport units - they are getting retired but around 50 still serve. Here is one in naval service.


There is also around three dedicated training versions still flying of the Tu-134. This one is a trainer for the Tu-160 crew. It's known as the Tu-134UBL.

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US Army Officer confirms the Ukrainans are winning.... thanks Tsavo... good to know.

that's not what she said, so pl. don't put words in her mouth. The Ukrainians will improvise with everything they have to inflict pain & losses on Russia, so it's not surprising they used Patriots or other SAMs in this way.

What if the Russians won't allow any pics of destroyed A-50s leaked out? It's called military censorship.

Military censorship would also apply to the Il-76 transporting POWs...

yes, they released some but not all the pics while investigating the downing. The Ukrainians lost more than they hoped to gain from it; POW exchanges were halted ever since. Now it's a real war w/o such swaps, as it should be until it's over.
https://www.dw.com/ru/rossia-priznala-cto-ee-samoletrazvedcik-a50-sbili-vsu/a-69398961

I will give this war maybe like another 5 years until it's over.

it may end a lot sooner; the VSU/SBU may stage a coup in Kiev before capitulating on RF terms. Kiev started "decommunization", but Moscow will finish it.  https://www.ng.ru/armies/2024-06-18/3_9030_ukraine.html?print=Y

https://www.ng.ru/cis/2024-06-18/1_9030_kiev.html?print=Y

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:The US Armed Forces is still over 600k men if you count the US Army and the USMC. It's a force to reckon with, even without mobilization.

Add European allies (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Finland) and it grows to almost 1.5m men.

Some might say it doesn't matter because those are all fags and transsexuals and not real men... do not fall for that. Don't underestimate NATO.

Not only are they gay, but they’re also spread around 800 bases around the world

Nothing to see here

It's a pointless argument, a war between NATO and Russia goes nuclear very quickly. Russia loses some cities, the US loses the East and West coast along with its surface fleet, Europe is basically erased from the map and China will lead the Asian Century. Also, open season on the people responsible for WW3.

Tsavo Lion wrote:
the Azov Sea isn't known to have clear water, so a sunken wreckedge won't yield a good identifiable picture; on land the wreckage debries can be quickly moved/collected/covered with camouflage.
The absence of any evidence isn't=evidence of absence.

The Azov Sea is the shallowest sea on the entire planet with a maximum depth of 14m.

Its so shallow you can see the seabed from satellite images:

Is IT only me WHO noticed our concern trolls crawling under the rock?