Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

caveat emptor wrote:About A-50 shot over Azov Sea:

Some more horse shit from 404

flamming_python wrote:What's this nonsense they're cooking up?

The A-50 is a blatantly legitimate military target.

The Ukrainian Colonel acted competently and professionally. There is no need to arrest him. Only to take him out given that he's a military target himself.
Less law & order grandstanding and more targeted strikes I say.

Are you sure this isn't a fake story or fake source?

There is a sledcom site link with the news. Check it if you want. I don't understand what is the point of this, i agree.
I posted this more because of the coping part of this forum. Which is in majority, when it comes to Russian losses. One already commented. Greetings, comrade Mir!  

FP, be a buddy and, please, explain our western "Russia experts and patriots" what is sledstveni komitet

Greetings captain "Murrica"

Why would they arrest someone that has shot down a strategic Russian asset? Makes me wonder what happened to the poor guy who landed a quad on the radar dome of an A-50. Probably got castrated for that mister meaner!

Not to mention all those drone and missile attacks on the Russian territory of Belgarod! Come on man get real

sledstveni komitet = investigative committee

caveat emptor wrote:There is a sledcom site link with the news. Check it if you want. I don't understand what is the point of this, i agree.
I posted this more because of the coping part of this forum. Which is in majority, when it comes to Russian losses. One already commented. Greetings, comrade Mir!  

FP, be a buddy and, please, explain our western "Russia experts and patriots" what is sledstveni komitet

Well, that is the Investigative Committee's site, but the article on their site makes absolutely no mention of what aircraft the Ukrainian officer shot down.

If that's all it says then I would sooner assume that they're refering to the shot down transport aircraft that was carrying Ukrainian POWs. And that would allow the arrest warrant to make sense too.

The article does mention 10 crew being killed. But the A-50 has a crew of 15. Not sure about the A-50U.
While we do know that the transport aircraft that was carrying the POWs had a crew of about 10 or so.
It's strange in that case that they don't mention the killed POWs, only the crew, but I guess they avoid saying it for the same reason they avoid any details on the incident itself and what plane was destroyed.

flamming_python wrote:

Well, that is the Investigative Committee's site, but the article on their site makes absolutely no mention of what aircraft the Ukrainian officer shot down.

If that's all it says then I would sooner assume that they're refering to the shot down transport aircraft that was carrying Ukrainian POWs. And that would allow the arrest warrant to make sense too.

It says it was patrolling and it says it happened on February 23. This is when Ukrainians claimed A-50 was downed. Il-76 in Belgorod was downed in January. Also, mentions 10 people dead and in IL-76 downing over 70 people were killed.

Mir wrote:Greetings captain "Murrica"

Why would they arrest someone that has shot down a strategic Russian asset?

Beats me. And that incident with drone landing on A-50  happened in Belarus and perp was caught there.

caveat emptor wrote:It says it was patrolling and it says it happened on February 23. This is when Ukrainians claimed A-50 was downed. Il-76 in Belgorod was downed in January. Also, mentions 10 people dead and in IL-76 downing over 70 people were killed.

Well it's possible. Maybe the A-50U has a smaller crew or the A-50 was operating with a skeleton crew.

But why would Russia be issuing an arrest warrant.
And it's not providing any details about the case, only that Telegram channel is.

The Ukrainians claimed they downed an A-50. But maybe they downed something else. That Russia is not keen on providing the details on.

The A-50 is a huge aircraft - surely someone would have seen and recorded something that size going down.

flamming_python wrote:

Well, that is the Investigative Committee's site, but the article on their site makes absolutely no mention of what aircraft the Ukrainian officer shot down.

If that's all it says then I would sooner assume that they're refering to the shot down transport aircraft that was carrying Ukrainian POWs. And that would allow the arrest warrant to make sense too.

The article does mention 10 crew being killed. But the A-50 has a crew of 15. Not sure about the A-50U.
While we do know that the transport aircraft that was carrying the POWs had a crew of about 10 or so.
It's strange in that case that they don't mention the killed POWs, only the crew, but I guess they avoid saying it for the same reason they avoid any details on the incident itself and what plane was destroyed.

Nine Russians were killed in that incident and 65 Ukrainians.

This is another one:

https://t.me/milinfolive/124243

Interesting news from the fields of domestic justice. Thus, the Khamovnicheskaya District Court of Moscow arrested in absentia the commander of the 138th anti-aircraft Missile Brigade (ZRB) AFU Colonel Nikolai Dzyaman for giving the order to shoot down the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

According to investigators, the order was given by a Ukrainian colonel on February 23, 2024, which led to the destruction of the aircraft in the airspace of the Russian Federation and the death of 10 crew members.

It was on this day that the AWACS A-50U aircraft was shot down, which fell near the farm Trudovaya Armenia in the Kanevsky district of the Krasnodar Territory. At that time, the main version put forward was friendly fire from the Russian air defense system, but now it is obvious that this was not the case.

An important fact is that the aforementioned 138th AFU air defense system is armed with American MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2 air defense systems, transferred from Germany. This brigade is also responsible for the May 2023 tragedy in the Bryansk region, where several aircraft and helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces were shot down at once. In addition, a week ago, the Americans officially announced that another lost Russian A-50U in January 2024 was also shot down from the Patriot air defense system.

Thus, it can be stated that the American MIM-104 Patriot air defense systems were able to hit Russian AWACS aircraft at ranges completely unexpected for the command of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which led to the loss of two valuable sides within one month, as well as unfair (in these cases) public accusations against the domestic air defense for allegedly "friendly fire" Since it was extremely difficult to believe in such a range of fire from enemy anti-aircraft systems.

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TASS article:

https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/21123335

Oh - arrested in absentia

It doesn't say that the aircraft was an A-50. It does say that the aircraft was not armed and not "intended for combat operations" and that 10 crew members died. More likely that it could have been a Tu-134 or even an Il-18 on a training mission for what we know.

Mir wrote:
More likely that it could have been a Tu-134 or even an Il-18 on a training mission for what we know.

Tu-134, seriously?! We are not in the 1980's, anymore.
Coping of some members is really hilarious. It must take a serious toll on mental state. HAGD, comrade Mir!

I'm not convinced either, too many unanswered questions for now

If it was a Patriot, it would have to have a much greater range than 160km. Currently only Skyceptor.

Who cares what shot it down ? It's a shame they loose such aircarft to ukrainians.

All their ELINT needs to be updated to modern standards.

They still use il-20 for such roles meanwhile P-8 poseidon is ruling on the elint sphere allowing to coordinate very complexe attacks on russian ships, AD and air bases.

Tu-134, seriously?! We are not in the 1980's, anymore.

The VKS still uses Tu-134 bomber aircrew training aircraft:
Tu-134UBL Tu-160 crew training version, with Tu-160 nose cone.T
Tu-134BSh Tu-22M crew trainer, fitted with a Tu-22M radar in the nose.
Tu-134Sh-1 Crew trainer with bomb racks for heavy bomber crews
Tu-134Sh-2 navigator trainer for tactical bomber crews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-134#Variants

Arrow wrote:If it was a Patriot, it would have to have a much greater range than 160km. Currently only Skyceptor.

https://www.twz.com/land/u-s-army-officer-confirms-russian-a-50-radar-jet-was-shot-down-with-patriot-missile

https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2024/06/16/the-ukrainian-border-war-folly/

caveat emptor wrote:
Coping of some members is really hilarious.  

Perfect description of yourself.
If an A-50 was shot down above a sea with an average depth of 7 meters, then why did no wreckage appear?
How was the Patriot with a maximum range of 160/180km able to shoot down a target over 200km away in Krasnodar?
Why isn't there a single piece of visual evidence that proves any A-50 was shot down?
Why we don't see the A-50's distinct and well-recognizable radar in the photos of the aircraft shot down in Krasnodar?

I have seen zero evidence that any A-50 were shot down, not one iota.  Until then I'll dismiss all of this as white noise eminating from NATO spooks, 404 propagandists and Russian 5th/6th columnist scum.

Russia miltary surprised how far patriot can shoot? Seriously?  What a steaming load of horsesh!t.  Now after dealing with that nonsense, I'll go back to feeling warm and fuzzy as Russia grinds Ukrainian manpower down into dogfood and demonstrates to the world that Western "power" is mostly advertising, glossy brochures, and glitzy lights shows.

In other (real) news: Saudis formally abandoning the Petrodollar...  Eat sh!t Uncle Scam and enjoy your upcoming financial collapse  

What if the Russians won't allow any pics of destroyed A-50s leaked out?
It's called military censorship. Meanwhile, NATO preps its nukes:
https://www.ng.ru/world/2024-06-17/1_9029_nato.html?print=Y

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/06/17/ukraines-f-16-pilots-have-a-problem-theyll-have-to-fly-low-to-survive-and-that-impedes-their-missiles/

https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2024/06/17/encouraging-war-in-ukraine-new-york-times-misses-the-point/

looking at last year and probably the end of this year there wont be major changes on the map. Still there are some Ukrainians in Germany they didnt send back and the pace of the war allows more defensive lines to be built. US is ready to draft their soldiers into Ukraine next. I will give this war maybe like another 5 years until it's over.

Putin fired yesterday couple of guys form MoD, one of generals was also discharged from army...Dunno what the reason was, but military Telegram channels are applauding

Newcomres are mainly form economic block...looks like war economy needs good management. Good.

flamming_python wrote:

It's strange in that case that they don't mention the killed POWs, only the crew, but I guess they avoid saying it for the same reason they avoid any details on the incident itself and what plane was destroyed.

Perhaps because this aircraft was on a patrol mission according to SK , not a transport mission? By the way, do you recall the news from Fighterbomber that I reposted a couple of pages back about Patriots being brought to the frontline to shoot high-value targets in Russia? I was accused of spreading horseshit and having an anti-Russian stance. Should the investigative committee be accused as well?

Big_Gazza wrote:I have seen zero evidence that any A-50 were shot down, not one iota.  :

nobody says it has to be A50, but first please read the Russian Investigation Committee site? they have no evidence either ?

Talking about Saudis. They also can read numbers...