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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:57 pm

    Arrow wrote:Italian Prime Minister Meloni said that if Russia does not accept the conditions for Ukraine, it will be “forced to surrender.”

    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Oh, she's ready to involve herself in the NATO adventure after all, is she?

    Karma will be quicker and more brutal than she might think

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    Post  Lapain Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:54 pm

    Arrow wrote:Italian Prime Minister Meloni said that if Russia does not accept the conditions for Ukraine, it will be “forced to surrender.”

    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Meloni didn't exactly say that.

    You can find the speech online, full of ukrotard idiocies of course but nothing less is expected from your average globalist puppet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks4TU4IZVG4&t=17s&ab_channel=PalazzoChigi

    The only time she mentions "forced surrender" is in reference to Ukraine, not Russia.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:19 pm

    https://youtu.be/mLVRaTQXuxc

    The war in Ukraine is part of the battle for control over Eurasia.
    Once USA fails in its strategy, it'll become a regional power, like the monkey on a tree whose hopes for world domination were dashed after the 2 tigers below stopped fighting & started helping each other.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:34 pm

    Belisarius wrote:GBU-39

    so khokhols have still some fighters after all
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    Post  Kiko Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:53 pm

    Putin’s peace initiative being last chance to save Ukrainian state — politician, 06.16.2024.

    "The peace proposals returns not only the peace to Ukraine but also rights of Ukrainian citizens," Viktor Medvedchuk said.

    MOSCOW, June 16. /TASS/. The peace initiative of Russian President Vladimir Putin is the last chance to preserve the Ukrainian state, Viktor Medvedchuk, the former leader of the Opposition Platform-For Life party now banned in Ukraine, told TASS in an interview.

    "The new peace initiative of Vladimir Putin is the last chance to preserve the Ukrainian state. Ukraine at present with its illegitimate president, the regime adversary to the people, legal nihilism and the Nazi state ideology cannot be considered to be the state anymore," the politician said. "Vladimir Putin suggests returning the state to Ukrainians, making it neutral, sovereign, demilitarized and denazified," Medvedchuk said.

    "The peace proposals returns not only the peace to Ukraine but also rights of Ukrainian citizens criminally overturned by the regime of [Vladimir] Zelensky," he stressed.

    Ukraine at present "cannot exist without huge external borrowings. This is actually a bankrupt country, a black hole for the Western economy," Medvedchuk noted. "This is a concentration camp for the Ukrainian people, with everyone wanting to flee except the gang that is criminally reigning," he added.

    On June 14, Russian President Vladimir Putin named conditions for settlement of the situation in Ukraine, including withdrawal of the Ukrainian army from Donbass and Novorossiya and refusal of Kiev to join NATO.

    https://tass.com/world/1804049

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:06 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    so khokhols have still some fighters after all

    These bombs can be launched by Himars as well

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:14 am

    The West doomed Ukraine to war until defeat, by Oleg Isaychenko for VZGLYAD. 06.16.2024.

    The Swiss “peace conference” fueled the military conflict in Ukraine.

    The “peace conference” on Ukraine ended in Switzerland, but the BRICS countries refused to sign the final communiqué. And if it was initially stated that over one and a half hundred states would gather to condemn Russia and promote Zelensky’s “peace formula,” then closer to the date of the event, the status of the summit rapidly decreased. Experts are sure: the West lost in the PR of Ukraine and doomed it to further territorial losses.

    The final document of the conference on Ukraine, which takes place in Bürgenstock, Switzerland on June 15-16, was supported by 80 of the 91 participating countries, according to the list published by the organizers of the meeting. Among the countries that have approved the document are Switzerland, Türkiye, Israel, the European Union and the United States. Serbia and Kosovo are also listed as having approved the communiqué. At the same time, the BRICS countries did not sign the final declaration.

    In a communiqué, conference participants called for the exchange and release of all prisoners of war. It also calls for the return to Ukraine of “all deported and illegally displaced Ukrainian children.”

    In addition, countries believe that control over the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant should be returned to Kiev. Allegedly, “Ukrainian nuclear power plants and installations, including the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant,” should operate under the control of Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the IAEA. In general, to end the conflict, according to the countries that signed the document, dialogue between all parties is necessary.

    Not without loud statements from Vladimir Zelensky. Thus, he said that Kiev is ready to begin negotiations with Moscow tomorrow, “if Russia respects the territorial integrity” of Ukraine.

    A little earlier, Zelensky argued that the “action plan” adopted following the meeting should make it possible to record a “real end” to the conflict at the “second peace summit.” He noted that Russia is not currently participating in the conference. In his opinion, summit participants need to jointly determine what “a just peace means for the world and how it can be achieved in a truly lasting way.”

    According to Zelensky, the “basis” is the UN Charter, and when it is possible to agree on a “transparent for the peoples” action plan, it will be “communicated to Russian representatives” so that “at the second peace summit they can record a real end” to the conflict. It is noteworthy that Switzerland has already expressed its readiness to hold such meetings in the future.

    However, the country's president, Viola Amherd , admitted that there was not complete unity at the conference. According to her, discussions over the past two days have shown that there are different points of view, “much more important was our understanding that the path to peace in Ukraine must be based on international law and especially the UN Charter.”

    Meanwhile, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev compared the summit in Switzerland to George Orwell's Animal Farm. According to him, the Swiss “barnyard” is pure surrealism, Kafka and Orwell are “smoking nervously on the sidelines.” Medvedev added that none of the summit participants know what he is doing there.

    According to him, to “resolve the conflict” “the Swiss shepherds called only proven animals: “a crazy small boar with his constant friend, a herd of slow-witted Western Alpine sheep blissfully bleating about the world, as well as a pack of European chain dogs to guard the livestock.” “The dogs bark, spray poisoned saliva in all directions and keep order. But you have to watch: sheep often bleat out of place and get confused in memorized formulas,” Medvedev said.

    It is noteworthy that not all conference participants were willing to spend two days on the event. Thus, US Vice President Kamala Harris left Switzerland on Saturday. Instead, Biden's national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, remained to represent the United States. Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida spent even less time at the summit - about two and a half hours.

    During her presence at the conference, Harris said that Vladimir Putin’s new proposals for resolving the conflict in Ukraine allegedly provide for the capitulation of Kyiv. She also noted that, together with Joe Biden, she will continue to support Ukraine and “impose costs on Russia.”

    Sullivan, in turn, indicated that Ukraine wants to be “in the best position on the battlefield” in order to be “in the best position at the negotiating table.” He also called on “to listen to Ukraine,” which “made it clear” that the conflict “will end through negotiations,” including “negotiations with Russia.” Commenting on Kyiv’s desire to be “in the best position on the battlefield,” Sullivan clarified that “the process is not completed.”

    The statements by American officials came against the backdrop of Vladimir Putin's proposal on Friday for ending the conflict in Ukraine. Its formula largely repeats Moscow’s 2022 initiative, which implied a neutral status for Ukraine, but now Kyiv and the West must recognize the “realities on the ground.” The newspaper VZGLYAD explained how the president’s proposal changed the agenda of the conference on Ukraine in Switzerland.

    Now experts note that the West hoped until the last that within the framework of the conference it would be able to demonstrate the unity of the world community around Kyiv. However, in reality the plans were not realized. “The “peace” conference in Switzerland turned into what it should have turned into without the participation of all parties to the conflict,” said Ukrainian political scientist Vladimir Skachko.

    “As you know, it takes two to tango, but Zelensky made clear the true goals of the meeting. It was necessary in order to again try to put pressure on Russia,” the expert added. In addition, according to the speaker, the plan was to show that Ukraine is supported by a huge number of countries.

    “But nothing worked out. And what is important, Vladimir Putin, with his proposal to resolve the conflict, knocked out the main trump card from the hands of the West - the opportunity to accuse Moscow of unwillingness to talk about peace,” the analyst explained. The last goal of the event, according to the interlocutor, is to create the illusion of Zelensky’s legitimacy.

    The political scientist called the conference itself a “bogus simulator.”

    “From Zelensky’s entire “peace formula,” only three points remain: nuclear and food security, as well as prisoner exchange. But even here they do not leave the opportunity to put pressure on Russia,” the expert is convinced.

    “Putin clearly said that the four new regions that returned to Russia will remain part of the country, this is not discussed. But in the West and in Kyiv they don’t want to hear this, that’s why they invent in matters of nuclear safety that control over the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant should be exercised by Ukraine,” the speaker believes.

    And this applies to all points, adds Skachko. “Even in terms of food security, it is not Russia that creates instability in the vast Black Sea. Regarding the exchange of prisoners, Kyiv is not interested in exchanging everyone for everyone, they only need the “chosen ones,” the political scientist points out.

    “This was purely a demonstration political event with several goals. Therefore, everything was used, including the antics and slogans of Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau.

    Of course, you can wishful thinking, but it will still be a deception,” Skachko noted.

    In turn, political scientist Vadim Trukhachev draws attention to the composition of the participants in the so-called peace conference. “The vast majority of countries in the Global South were represented by minor participants. And in this sense, the idea of ​​the organizers, which was to direct the whole world against Russia, failed,” he explains.

    “At the same time, taking into account that many states were still represented, we can say that this meeting still had 20-25% success,” the analyst added. In his opinion, the statements of some politicians from African countries attracted the most attention. True, the speaker points out, these people are closely connected with Britain. “But at the same time, the President of Kenya said that without Russia there is nothing to talk about. A very interesting split has emerged in the English-speaking part of Africa,” says Trukhachev.

    As for Europeans, the political scientist draws attention to the words of the Austrian Chancellor. “Karl Nehammer essentially said that the West alone, without the support of Asia and Africa, is not capable of forcing Russia to peace on their terms. I would call this an indirect admission that the West’s line towards Moscow has failed,” the speaker believes.

    “Austria is a country that has chosen the path of diplomacy, and in this sense speaks almost on behalf of the entire Western world. That is, there was a tearful tone,”

    – the expert pointed out. He also found interesting the statement by Finnish President Stubb, who called on China to “put pressure on Russia.” “In general, the event was emasculated. Moreover, the statement made by Vladimir Putin before the conference clearly showed who is actually not ready to resolve the conflict. As a result, all these politicians met in Switzerland, sat and talked - and everything remained in place,” Trukhachev is convinced.

    “Even before the official start of the conference, it became clear that this would be a diplomatic failure. The event was prepared in the hope that it would be possible to gather many representative countries and convince China and other states to at least attend the formal condemnation of Russia,” recalls Americanist Dmitry Drobnitsky.

    “But even the fact that Kamala Harris was sent to the conference instead of Joe Biden speaks volumes. There have been outstanding vice presidents in US history, but this is not the case. She is often sent to some “unnecessary” events,” the interlocutor points out. In his opinion,

    statements made in Switzerland in the context of the conflict around Ukraine clearly illustrate the difference in approaches of Moscow, Kyiv and the West to resolving the issue. Moreover, the past summit only fueled the confrontation on the battlefield. “However, that’s what he meant,” – the Americanist emphasizes. “Another thing is that a number of statements from the United States tell us that intra-clan struggle will soon intensify in the States and options will be actively explored to get rid of this whole story. Moreover, the recent G7 meeting also sent a signal to Europe. Washington made it clear: figure it out for yourself, we already have a lot to worry about,” the analyst believes.

    Overall, Drobnitsky says, the State Department really hoped that all countries would at least come to listen to Moscow's condemnation. “But it didn’t work out; they can’t pretend that the world hasn’t changed anymore. Those people who should have been disgraced were disgraced. And the rest simply ignored the meeting. So here the United States in general and Blinken in particular lost in the PR game,” the Americanist concluded.

    https://vz.ru/world/2024/6/16/1273355.html

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    Post  PhSt Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:49 am

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    Not sure how NATO can hide a facility like this, perhaps the location is disguised as a hospital, shopping center, or even civilian apartments, anyhow this needs to be destroyed ASAP, along with all NATO specialists working at the site. attack

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:05 am

    PhSt wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58 - Page 9 15151510


    Not sure how NATO can hide a facility like this, perhaps the location is disguised as a hospital, shopping center, or even civilian apartments, anyhow this needs to be destroyed ASAP, along with all NATO specialists working at the site. attack

    I give this facility maybe three months, six at most.

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    Post  diabetus Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:06 am

    It's likely in an old Soviet underground bunker in western Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:04 am

    Off topic, but:
    EU has always been a terrible idea.

    We can agree to disagree then but I would say if Europe was not grouped together then you would all work against each other and most of you would end up losers most of the time. Together you potentially have power... a decent market size and with coordination you could be a force for good... except you are a slave to the US and it thinks what is good for the EU and the world is what is good for the US.

    Economic and political make sense, but when you don't agree it turns to bullying and black mail... instead there should be discussions and flexibility but there is not.

    Sadly the west doesn't know what democracy and diplomacy is any more... they deride democracy is popularism... what the majority wants... which is what democracy is. Of course minorities should be protected, but instead of just protecting them they are putting their needs and wishes above those of the majority and the next few elections might set them straight or they will just cheat as usual.

    I hope Russia will be able to be this kind of "positive empire" and not the kind of negative empire like USA or EU (which is a fake empire, but the negative consequences for its inhabitants are very real).

    Russia is not an empire. BRICS is about nations joining and cooperating with others... there is no official BRICS language or religion or type of government, or official hair style or gender choice or sexual preference. You wont be told who you can or cannot buy from, nor who you can or cannot sanction or attack.

    It is economic and non military.

    The article notes that just a few months ago, most American officials considered this point of view an exaggeration, and Biden publicly expressed doubts that Russia and China would be able to “overcome mutual suspicions” and begin to cooperate.

    Being open and honest and largely just interested in free and fair trade relations where you treat each other with respect and pay a fair price for things and not try to screw the other country over on things means while they will have some suspicions they will be minor and not get in the way of deals where both profit.

    This week, G7 countries in the final statement of the G7 summit in Italy said they were concerned about China's support for Russia and called on Beijing to put pressure on Moscow.

    Yes, China, you need to be more neutral and be on our side and attack Russia economically (while damaging your own interests). That way when we have finished with Russia we will find you easier to deal with because you will be weaker like the EU will be... for many of the same reasons.

    Meloni didn't exactly say that.

    You can find the speech online, full of ukrotard idiocies of course but nothing less is expected from your average globalist puppet.

    I have found her comments about Moron to be quite amusing actually, she is certainly not supporting the US in wanting deep attacks into Russian territory with western supplied weapons...

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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:07 am

    diabetus wrote:It's likely in an old Soviet underground bunker in western Ukraine.

    Or just across the border in Poland Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:12 am

    Belisarius wrote:
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    so khokhols have still some fighters after all

    These bombs can be launched by Himars as well

    Not sure if you have noticed how pathetic is a result of this bombing.
    I would say those failed to penetrate the building roof Shocked

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:22 am

    was sent to the conference instead of Joe Biden speaks volumes.
    Biden had more important things to do, like joining a fund raiser in Hollywood.

    I give this facility maybe three months, six at most.
    Propably a garage with a handful of repair spots.
    Sounds only big in western propaganda.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:35 pm


    How to paint a target on your back Laughing



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    “Motivational troops. 
    We were motivational troops then (in 2022 on the Zaporozhye direction). 
    We then helped the 110th brigade of the TRO. I can't say anything bad about them, because for a TRO they fought quite well, but, again, as a TRO they had to be motivated. 
    And then my detachment - I was then the commander of a detachment of 500 men - was evenly distributed along a 25-kilometer line, starting from <...> Malinovka to Velika Novosyolka” 


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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:59 pm

    It was unreasonable to think that after Budyonny-isation of Sergei Shoigu, these people will go to jail. Especially, Shevtsova, since she covered for a lot of shit done through the years.
    Optimistically, after the war, Shoigu would have to lead by example, to the colony in Siberia, followed by these characters, but that would put blemish on the boss by association and that is not a viable option. So, this is the best one can hope for.

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    Rumors about the resignation of some of these honorable citizens have been circulating since the appointment of Andrei Belousov as the new Minister of Defense.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:26 pm

    There are 44 GMD complexes in Alaska , and only four in California ,
    Completely useless against missiles flying inside the atmosphere.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:02 pm

    Interesting but why have you posted this in the Ukraine thread rather than Russian Naval News?

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:23 pm

    Alistair Crooke talks about how Putin's peace offer was perceived in Europe, at 2:10

    Well it went down about as well as I thought it would

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:38 pm

    There will be no peace until Ukraine completely capitulates and NATO completely loses. The situation is difficult because the West does not want to think about defeat. In fact, the West will not give up until Russia occupies a significant part of Ukraine, or Ukraine capitulates because they run out of people. Then NATO can also think about direct intervention.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:16 pm

    https://ria.ru/20240617/flot-1953242038.html

    https://youtu.be/crkljtmzemQ

    https://regnum.ru/opinion/3895605?utm_campaign=regnum&utm_term=top_opinion

    https://life.ru/p/1666486

    https://regnum.ru/article/3894914


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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:17 pm

    About A-50 shot over Azov Sea:

    https://t.me/infomil_live/7314

    The Investigative Committee reports that the court in Moscow has granted the request of the investigation to elect a preventive measure in the form of detention against the commander of the 138 anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel Nikolai Dzyamanu. He is accused of destroying an A-50 AWACS aircraft over the Krasnodar Territory on February 23, 2024.

    "On February 23, 2024, an aircraft of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation patrolled the airspace of Russia. According to the investigation, Colonel Dzyaman, realizing that the specified aircraft is not intended for combat operations, has no weapons, and the flight takes place exclusively in the airspace of the Russian Federation, gave an illegal order to subordinate military personnel to destroy it. These actions led to the death of 10 crew members and the destruction of the aircraft," the press service of the UK reports.

    Recall that on February 23, an A-50 of the Russian Aerospace Forces was shot down over the territory of the Krasnodar Territory, returning from a combat mission over the Sea of Azov. The Ministry of Defense did not provide an official version at that time, while friendly fire became the main version in the telegram segment.

    Now, if you believe the Investigative Committee, the board was shot down by Ukrainian air defense, Ukrainian resources and sources then reported that an anti-aircraft missile from the S-200 air defense system got to the plane, which is quite possible, given that for the homing heads of the 5B21 missile defense system, a slow and radio-contrast A-50 type target is a simple target. We also recall that on the same day, information appeared about the fall of several drones on the territory of the Krasnodar Territory, which were most likely Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles.

    The informant

    Link to the news on their site:

    https://sledcom.ru/news/item/1892602/
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:42 pm

    What's this nonsense they're cooking up? scratch

    The A-50 is a blatantly legitimate military target.

    The Ukrainian Colonel acted competently and professionally. There is no need to arrest him. Only to take him out given that he's a military target himself.
    Less law & order grandstanding and more targeted strikes I say.

    Are you sure this isn't a fake story or fake source?

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