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    Georgia's possible rapprochement with Russia.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:19 am

    In some posts before this people asked why the ruling party Gruzian Dream does not immediately cut all ties with the west and does not openly announce the abandonment of joining EU.

    Here is the reason.


    Sometime people have to behave like Goujian (勾踐). Not all countries are strong, robust and powerful, like Russia and China who can openly say what they really feel.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 02, 2024 1:58 pm

    Hahahaha... losing 121 million Euros in donations... oh no... the fools.... surely entering into open warfare with Russia and losing in 3-4 days of fighting and then to fight a guerilla war for as long as the west demands was a much better idea... think of all the coffins and gravestones that 121 million Euros could have paid for...

    And after their country is destroyed and Russia is victorious the west will cut and run like they did in Afghanistan and are about to do in the Ukraine...

    121 million Euros is not enough for any country to commit suicide... even 121 billion euros wouldn't cut it.

    The people of Georgia probably want European lifestyles of comfort and excess and that is the appeal of the European Union, but the cost is loss of sovereignty... having the officials in Brussels tell you you have to have transvestites reading stories to your children, and gay parades every year to celebrate sexual diversity...

    Hopefully BRICS will start to help countries achieve that improved quality of life without compromising their ethics and morals.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:44 pm

    I am concluding that most power hungry clowns are innumerate. They sell themselves and their country for a few dollars. Not actual vast riches for their
    country but chump change for themselves. They are like the criminals who rob banks and then burn the money on hookers and blow. Not very bright at all,
    just very "assertive" in an autistic way.

    Sure, the US imperialists groom such clown, but the problem is that they outnumber the people of caliber who want to get into politics and form government by
    a factor of 1000 to 1. The only reason that Russia and China have not become 3rd world toilets is because they have elite structures that could not be fully
    subverted. China did not undergo revolutionary change like Russia in the 1990s so it is more stable. But the emergence of the siloviki in Russia which includes
    Putin is what prevented Yeltsinite vermin from fully taking over and whoring Russia out to NATzO. Georgia and other limitrophes were not so resistant.

    It is nice to have ideals about democracy and freedom, but in the real world one has to account for imperial meddling. So support for "dictatorial" elements that
    preserve a country from colonization is mandatory. You have to chose the "lesser evil". We see that liberalization is just a conduit for take over. In the case
    of Russia it has managed to liberalize under Putin even though he is supposedly a "tyrant". Not by flipping comprador parties every few years, but actual street
    level freedom and stability. Putin and United Russia are a legitimate choice of the Russian people thanks to this. If Russia had followed Yeltsin's path and
    engaged the token presidential limits and Rolodex party elections it would have been carved up by now into manageable colonies.

    This is why China's alleged lack of democracy has to be put into context. If China "democratized" it would likely have been torn apart by strife as regional
    elements would push in all directions. China needs to be compared to all of Europe as an effectively multi-state entity and not a single country like France.
    (The same is true for India, BTW). Liberalization weakness would open the way for imperial meddling and we would likely have seen what we had in the early
    1900s with warlords pulling the country into pieces. Who says that democracy has to come in a few days. It clearly needs to wait for conditions to be
    right. In the future I expect China to transition out of a one party regime. But it is lunacy to do this at the cost of the sort of instability we see in the
    former USSR and Yugoslavia. Being able to vote every few years for token difference parties (like here in Kanada) is not worth much given other
    important considerations.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:17 am

    kvs wrote:It is nice to have ideals about democracy and freedom, but in the real world one has to account for imperial meddling.
    Democracy is a form of state, by a form of state it means an organized violence to suppress the masses for the benefit of the ruling class. In other word, democracy is only applied to the rulers and not to the masses. Athenian slave-owner democracy is the most classic example of this. Capitalist democracy is more subtle in that aspect, but it is clear that it is also the democracy of the billionaires, not of the proles.

    In Western liberal-bourgeioise democracy there is the separation between politics and economy, in which your freedom of speech and your voting rights cannot interfere into wealth-based power dynamics, including labour-employer relationship, the so-called "freedom of business" (i.e. the freedom of manipulate the market), and market economy, which inherently favour the people with money over the people with empty pocket. Adam Smith in his magnum opus pointed out how wealthy employers can leverage their wealth and connection with government magistrate to achieve unequal contract against artisans - although it is self-evidence and does not need to be a veteran economist to understand.

    As a result, you are free to say anything about childlessness or non-marriage or rainbow or hippie rebellious lifestyle, but you are not allowed to say bad things about your employer even if he really is a scumbag.

    Powerful companies and corporations have strict censorship over what their employees can and cannot say... if they detect you express your frustration on Internet then being fired is the least you can expect... you can be blacklisted by all the employers in the sector and even by all other capitalists as a mean of revenge in a mafia way...

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:01 am

    Tesla tried to murder-by-cop one of their former whistleblower employees. What you state is evidenced by concrete examples. Julian Assange is
    the poster boy for western "freedom". Exposing crimes is the worst crime of all in the western utopias.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 am

    kvs wrote:
    Democracy is a form of state, by a form of state it means an organized violence to suppress the masses for the benefit of the ruling class. In other word, democracy is only applied to the rulers and not to the masses. Athenian slave-owner democracy is the most classic example of this. Capitalist democracy is more subtle in that aspect, but it is clear that it is also the democracy of the billionaires, not of the proles.

    Yeah, in the ancient Athens democracy was applicable to about 8% of the population...
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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:26 am

    That was higourashi's comment.

    His example is pertinent because the slavery has been abstracted. The proles are not nominally slaves, they are wage slaves. They are also kept on the
    mental plantation by the MSM which is fully oligarch controlled. This has been true for the last 200 years of supposed emergent democracy in the west.
    There has been some mental liberation through fringe media but as you can see it has not fundamentally changed anything.

    I recall a certain big name in climate science saying that the innovation in western democracies is that they are not based on slave labour. That is not
    true. The exploitation of the proles is still there. The western "free" proles are also exploited by their "democratic" government which they supposedly elect
    into power through taxation and regulation. The government serves the interests of the oligarchy and the elite. The taxpayer money is fed to the
    corporations through ludicrously sloppy contracts (as if three bids somehow excludes collusion).

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