US Presidential Election 2024

American politics is a circus.   The base under this circus tent is American proud ignorance about the rest of the world.   This keeps the exceptionalism dementia going.
So Trump is just harping on the same tired "patriotic" themes about how manifest this exceptionalism is.   But it is funny how America is totally rotting from within with
woke degeneracy which includes child genital mutilation and is barbaric at its core.   Where is all that exceptional democracy and social values?   America has transitioned into
a toilet all on its own.   It wasn't the "ferners" that done it.  It was American ubermenschen.

Russia cares about nuclear war but is not cowering in fear of America.   The theme that Joe Biden and his regime are working for China is pure retarded cope.   The Biden
regime has been engaged in neo-imperialism on steroids.  That America is not winning its spasm of power grabbing reflects its true level.   This level is way below the
propaganda facade that paints it as singularly capable and essentially invincible.   The neocon lunatics running this asylum don't even admit that the US can't produce
enough shells and missiles to keep up with the demand on the Ukrian front.    

America is exceptional alright, in its hubris-driven delusion.

kvs wrote:American politics is a circus.   The base under this circus tent is American proud ignorance about the rest of the world.   This keeps the exceptionalism dementia going.
So Trump is just harping on the same tired "patriotic" themes about how manifest this exceptionalism is.   But it is funny how America is totally rotting from within with
woke degeneracy which includes child genital mutilation and is barbaric at its core.   Where is all that exceptional democracy and social values?   America has transitioned into
a toilet all on its own.   It wasn't the "ferners" that done it.  It was American ubermenschen.

Russia cares about nuclear war but is not cowering in fear of America.   The theme that Joe Biden and his regime are working for China is pure retarded cope.   The Biden
regime has been engaged in neo-imperialism on steroids.  That America is not winning its spasm of power grabbing reflects its true level.   This level is way below the
propaganda facade that paints it as singularly capable and essentially invincible.   The neocon lunatics running this asylum don't even admit that the US can't produce
enough shells and missiles to keep up with the demand on the Ukrian front.    

America is exceptional alright, in its hubris-driven delusion.

kvs: Do you agree with this article about American culture and valuing all things in money?

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-money-became-the-measure-of-everything?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us

Trumps vice presidential candidate in a debate last night said that when Trump was in office, countries around the world were afraid of the US and that Russia would not have attacked Ukraine and Iran would not have launched missiles against Israel. What do you guys think?

I would start by saying many of Hillarys ideas were crazy... like a no fly zone over Syria to stop Russian assistance from defeating Americas proxy terrorist forces.

Having said that, the work to get the conflict in the Ukraine going started a long time before Trump took office and was going to start one way or the other... the Kiev plan to invade their autonomous regions was set to start two or three weeks after the Russians invaded, so to suggest there would be no war if Trump was in charge is not true... if Putin had not invaded the Kiev would have reignited the war and Russia would have had to intervene anyway.

To Trumps credit he seemed less inclined to start new wars and actually signed an agreement for US troops to leave Afghanistan... other HATO forces claimed they would stay even without the US but they quickly folded when they realise HATO is not an effective force without the US paying for and supplying most of the logistics.

I actually think Trump would have stopped Kiev from attacking their own people but I get the feeling he might have started a war against Iran instead.

GarryB wrote:

Trumps vice presidential candidate in a debate last night said that when Trump was in office, countries around the world were afraid of the US and that Russia would not have attacked Ukraine and Iran would not have launched missiles against Israel. What do you guys think?

I would start by saying many of Hillarys ideas were crazy... like a no fly zone over Syria to stop Russian assistance from defeating Americas proxy terrorist forces.

Having said that, the work to get the conflict in the Ukraine going started a long time before Trump took office and was going to start one way or the other... the Kiev plan to invade their autonomous regions was set to start two or three weeks after the Russians invaded, so to suggest there would be no war if Trump was in charge is not true... if Putin had not invaded the Kiev would have reignited the war and Russia would have had to intervene anyway.

To Trumps credit he seemed less inclined to start new wars and actually signed an agreement for US troops to leave Afghanistan... other HATO forces claimed they would stay even without the US but they quickly folded when they realise HATO is not an effective force without the US paying for and supplying most of the logistics.

I actually think Trump would have stopped Kiev from attacking their own people but I get the feeling he might have started a war against Iran instead.

Do Russian politicians see both the Republicans and Democrats as mortal enemies of Russia? I see some on this forum criticize the left in America but I don't think the right wing is any better.

Do Russian politicians see both the Republicans and Democrats as mortal enemies of Russia? I see some on this forum criticize the left in America but I don't think the right wing is any better.

There is no pro Russia party in the US... and in fact there is no anti war party in the US either.

To put all the sanctions and to send billions of dollars in money and weapons and ammo to the Ukraine with the express purpose of destroying the Russian economy and overthrow Putin and murder Russian soldiers and civilians, including in terrorist acts... if they don't see the entire west as being the enemy then they are traitors to their country and people.

Fortunately 20 years of Putins rule has allowed Russia to grow and develop and get better and honestly they really don't need the west any more... they are better off working with the rest of the world who are desperate for free trade with fair partners who are not going to rip them off or screw them over or make them conform to their religion or currency or ideology.

The west thinks it is not replaceable and if they stopped buying Russian gas and oil that they would have no one to sell it to and they would panic and get desperate... but they have taken Europes suicide rather well and have cancelled expansion of their gas reserves and are are looking for new customers in different directions in a way that boosts their new partners positions and situation. India and Turkey are making good money selling Russian gas to Europe, and Europe is paying more for the same stuff they were getting before... a lot more...

The west thinks it is a 10, but while it can be appealing... especially to teenagers... when you look under the makeup or even the mask... an evil monster lurks there... that will give you nightmares.

However, the influential publication Politico has released an extensive article in which representatives of the intelligence services and the administration, with a straight face, claim that Iran is behind the assassination attempts on Trump , and that some mysterious Iranian killers, "inept but enthusiastic," are roaming the States, who want to take revenge on the ex-president for the murder of General Soleimani, but keep missing.

To be fair, when America has murdered Iranian officials they do clearly yell "No backsies", so it is true that Iran can't do the same to America or the west... that is the official rules in the Western International rules based system.

Iran does need nukes and should nuke Washington at a time where they get everyone... democrats and republicans...

Countdown: America Prepares to Pass the Point of No Return, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 10.17.2024.

The American election campaign has entered the home stretch — in three weeks everything should be over. But exactly what “should” — in reality, there is practically no chance that the vote on November 5 will put an end to the struggle for power in America. Moreover, on November 6, it will simply move to a new, much more dangerous stage for everyone (and not only for the residents of the USA). Because it is already clear: according to the results of the vote, Donald Trump will win, and the return of the ex-president to the White House is categorically unacceptable for the majority of the American establishment. And having failed to stop him with the help of election manipulation, the “deep state” will do everything to annul Trump’s second term — with the help of courts, mass protests and riots, attempts to assassinate him, terrorist attacks and even the threat of a split in the USA.

But what does it mean that Trump's victory is already a foregone conclusion? After all, poll data is fickle, and the fight will go on until the last day - and replacing Biden with Harris has raised the Democratic candidate's ratings. Why present Trump as a confident winner?

The thing is that this is Trump's third presidential election, and there is a good opportunity to compare the 2024 polls with similar polls from 2016 and 2020. And then compare them with the voting results in those years, and predict the outcome of the November 5 elections. And if you do this, one thing will become clear: the polls have always given Trump less than he actually received.

Yes, he won in 2016 and lost in 2020, but the pattern was the same: Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden received fewer votes than the polls promised them. And now Kamala Harris, according to the same polls, has less support than Clinton had in 2016 and Biden in 2022, which means she will do worse against Trump than they did. In other words, she will lose. Moreover, her advantage is shrinking even on a national scale, and by election day it may turn out that even the polls will not put her in first place.

And this is despite the fact that national leadership – that is, in terms of the total number of votes – is of no importance at all. Clinton beat Trump by several million votes in 2016, but was far behind in the Electoral College, which represents the states. Because everything is decided in the states, and not even in all 50, but in several swing states, that is, those switching from party to party. In the current campaign, there are seven of them ( Pennsylvania , Michigan , Wisconsin , North Carolina , Georgia , Arizona , and Nevada ) – and it is already clear that Trump will win almost all of them.

The former president led in most of these states when Biden was his opponent, but after Harris was nominated, polls showed a tight race and even a lead for Kamala. But now the "newcomer" effect has disappeared, and everything is back to normal. According to the latest polls, Trump is leading in five of the seven states, everywhere except Wisconsin and Nevada (and he is gradually moving ahead in the first of these states). Yes, his advantage is expressed in small numbers, ranging from 0.3 percent in Pennsylvania to 0.9 in Arizona. Isn't that within the margin of statistical error? Yes, but it is worth looking at the polls from the previous two elections in these states.

And then it will turn out that Trump is now in a much stronger position than in 2016 and 2020. For example, in Pennsylvania eight years ago, he was losing to Clinton by more than nine percent, and ended up winning by 0.7. Four years later, polls gave Biden an advantage of more than seven percent over Trump, but Donald lost by only 1.2.
The same thing happened in Michigan and Wisconsin: Trump was far behind Clinton, but won, and Biden's loss was noticeably less than promised. And this, let us recall, was in a situation where Clinton and Biden were seriously ahead of Trump in the polls, and Harris is now behind him or on par.

If the current alignment holds in the three weeks remaining before the election (though it will likely only become more favorable to Trump), then on November 5, Trump will confidently defeat Harris in five of the seven states, and as a result, will receive 296 electors to 215. At the same time, he has a good chance of taking a sixth state, Wisconsin, and then the final score will be even higher.

It’s not just the polls that predict a crushing Trump victory — the Democrats are doing very poorly with voter registration in those same swing states: in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada, and Arizona, there are hundreds of thousands fewer than there were four years ago. And no amount of mobilization of Trump’s opponents to vote in stable Democratic states like California or New York will make any difference — the Democrats need Trumpophobes to come out to vote in Pennsylvania.

Trump's victory frightens the establishment not only because Donald will now be more experienced and evil - and therefore more effective in the fight against the "deep state", but also because he can gain complete control over Congress. If the Republicans win back the Senate (which they have a good chance of doing) and hold on to the House of Representatives, Trump will become a truly sovereign president - unlike his first term, during which he was opposed not only by the "Washington swamp" but also by part of his own party, now he has serious control over the Republicans.

Bookmakers also sense the real trend - they currently estimate the probability of Trump's election at 53.7 percent, and Harris at 45.7, and closer to the election the ratio may become even more favorable for the former president.

If Trump cannot be stopped, then he must be killed – and the chances of another assassination attempt are very high now. However, you can kill Trump, but you cannot kill Trumpism, that is, the rebellion of a significant part of Americans against the globalist establishment. Trump's vice-presidential candidate J.D. Vance is much more radical in many respects than his boss – and therefore the physical elimination of the former president will not help the "Washington swamp".

Turbulence will increase in the next three weeks not only in the US – the stakes for the outcome of the US elections are high for the whole world. Including in war zones – from Ukraine to the Middle East , where the most unexpected events can be expected. This does not mean that the storm will increase until November 5 and then subside – no calm after the storm is expected, if only because the most destructive storms are just forming now.

https://ria.ru/20241017/amerika-1978370801.html

@kvs: events of USA elections that will never be presented on mainstream media.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/10/22/in-the-us-voting-is-a-privilege-not-a-right/

Peoples Dispatch interviewed Claudia De la Cruz, a socialist candidate running against both Trump and Harris, who as a third party candidate has faced her own challenges in running for office outside the two-party duopoly. De la Cruz directly referenced this attempt at voter purging in North Carolina. “It’s important for us to understand just how undemocratic this system is,” she said.

“We’ve received a lot of attacks from both the Republicans and the Democrats. The Democrats [are] attacking [us] even more,” she said, referring to the successful attempts by the Democratic Party to get De la Cruz’s name off the ballot in key election battleground states such as Pennsylvania. “We know that they are attacking third party candidates, and I would say even explicitly a socialist candidate, because people are tired and people are exhausted. And when people are tired and exhausted, they look for another alternative. They look for other options.”

“The real problem here is that you have one party with two names, and both of these sections of the ruling class are gaslighting, blackmailing and bribing our people into believing that they have to vote against their interests, against their values, and against what they understand to be their principles,” De la Cruz said.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/10/24/jill-stein-refuses-to-take-marching-orders-from-political-elites/

Below is our interview with Dr. Jill Stein, running on the Green Party ticket alongside running mate Butch Ware. Stein’s platform has attracted many people who feel betrayed and disillusioned by the Democratic Party, including many Muslim and Arab Americans who are outraged for Harris’s role in US support for Israel.

The people of this country are facing multiple crises, seeing their tax dollars funding a grotesque genocide while they are unable to even be protected from fierce storms during hurricane season. Yet, instead of speaking to these very real crises, the Democrats have identified a different enemy, and that’s third party candidates.

(...)

The Democrats had announced back in March that they hired an army of lawyers in order to throw their competitors off the ballot. And this is the party that pats itself on the back for being the representative of true democracy. (...) In addition, they have publicly advertised for infiltrators and spies to basically mess up our organizations on the ground, and our ballot drives. We suspected for a long time that that was going on, a sort of COINTELPRO-type interference. We finally found actual proof of that with the Democratic National Committee advertising for these hires.

In addition, they tied up our public funding, our matching funds, which made it very hard for us to get on all the ballots where we were counting on those resources to fund those drives.

Those are various ways that they try to shut us down. They blacklist us, you know, so that the media largely doesn’t cover us. What actually began to really open the doors to wider coverage was when they started smearing us with these really ludicrous smears that people really objected to. AOC, she recorded this really ridiculous Instagram video, which was so kind of self righteous, condescending, smug, telling me that I was a predatory candidate, because I’m not growing the party. Basically making the case that I disappear, except for every four years I come back and run for president, which is nonsense.

(...)

Jamie Harrison, the head of the DNC, the chair who started smearing me again as a Russian asset, which has been completely laid to rest, an absurd charge which was investigated for three years by the Senate Intelligence Committee that disputed that rumor thoroughly, and laid that to rest. This is what the Democrats keep trying to do, and there have been several other smears, and now this actual advertisement.

I personally believe that what stopped Hilary from becoming president (apart from everything about her of course) was that the Clinton foundation funds the Democrat party and she essentially said she should be the nominee and not Sanders... and money talks so she got the nomination. She is trying to blame Putins puppets and foreign spies for revealing her secret criminal activity and mistakes, but I suspect it was Sanders supporters within the Democratic party... I suspect she also knew that too but didn't want to split the party with such accusations and internal conflict.

Perhaps the alternative parties can use their supporters to do to the Democrats what they are trying to do to them... actively commit sabotage at their rallys and embarrass their candidates as much as they can... this would be the free speech that they are trying to use against them.

America is broken and is a corrupt oligarchy that has the facade of democracy... which is highly amusing because that is what they claim Russia to be... corrupt, undemocratic, rigged elections... except their own observers were impressed with the openness and transparency of Russian elections and praised them for their level of democracy...

Just because you can anticipate the result does not make it undemocratic.... if one candidate has proven to be very good at the job and the alternatives all look like suspicious sell outs, then democracy is served when the candidate with the 80% plus popularity is elected.

America has forgotten what real democracy is.

Ominous Trump Rally in Michigan.


https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1850330447064052086


It looks a bit funny, but perhaps it is prophetic?