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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 03, 2024 2:29 pm

    American politics is a circus.   The base under this circus tent is American proud ignorance about the rest of the world.   This keeps the exceptionalism dementia going.
    So Trump is just harping on the same tired "patriotic" themes about how manifest this exceptionalism is.   But it is funny how America is totally rotting from within with
    woke degeneracy which includes child genital mutilation and is barbaric at its core.   Where is all that exceptional democracy and social values?   America has transitioned into
    a toilet all on its own.   It wasn't the "ferners" that done it.  It was American ubermenschen.

    Russia cares about nuclear war but is not cowering in fear of America.   The theme that Joe Biden and his regime are working for China is pure retarded cope.   The Biden
    regime has been engaged in neo-imperialism on steroids.  That America is not winning its spasm of power grabbing reflects its true level.   This level is way below the
    propaganda facade that paints it as singularly capable and essentially invincible.   The neocon lunatics running this asylum don't even admit that the US can't produce
    enough shells and missiles to keep up with the demand on the Ukrian front.    

    America is exceptional alright, in its hubris-driven delusion.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Oct 04, 2024 5:47 am

    kvs wrote:American politics is a circus.   The base under this circus tent is American proud ignorance about the rest of the world.   This keeps the exceptionalism dementia going.
    So Trump is just harping on the same tired "patriotic" themes about how manifest this exceptionalism is.   But it is funny how America is totally rotting from within with
    woke degeneracy which includes child genital mutilation and is barbaric at its core.   Where is all that exceptional democracy and social values?   America has transitioned into
    a toilet all on its own.   It wasn't the "ferners" that done it.  It was American ubermenschen.

    Russia cares about nuclear war but is not cowering in fear of America.   The theme that Joe Biden and his regime are working for China is pure retarded cope.   The Biden
    regime has been engaged in neo-imperialism on steroids.  That America is not winning its spasm of power grabbing reflects its true level.   This level is way below the
    propaganda facade that paints it as singularly capable and essentially invincible.   The neocon lunatics running this asylum don't even admit that the US can't produce
    enough shells and missiles to keep up with the demand on the Ukrian front.    

    America is exceptional alright, in its hubris-driven delusion.


    kvs: Do you agree with this article about American culture and valuing all things in money?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 05, 2024 2:08 pm

    Trumps vice presidential candidate in a debate last night said that when Trump was in office, countries around the world were afraid of the US and that Russia would not have attacked Ukraine and Iran would not have launched missiles against Israel. What do you guys think?

    I would start by saying many of Hillarys ideas were crazy... like a no fly zone over Syria to stop Russian assistance from defeating Americas proxy terrorist forces.

    Having said that, the work to get the conflict in the Ukraine going started a long time before Trump took office and was going to start one way or the other... the Kiev plan to invade their autonomous regions was set to start two or three weeks after the Russians invaded, so to suggest there would be no war if Trump was in charge is not true... if Putin had not invaded the Kiev would have reignited the war and Russia would have had to intervene anyway.

    To Trumps credit he seemed less inclined to start new wars and actually signed an agreement for US troops to leave Afghanistan... other HATO forces claimed they would stay even without the US but they quickly folded when they realise HATO is not an effective force without the US paying for and supplying most of the logistics.

    I actually think Trump would have stopped Kiev from attacking their own people but I get the feeling he might have started a war against Iran instead.

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    Post  andalusia Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:21 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Trumps vice presidential candidate in a debate last night said that when Trump was in office, countries around the world were afraid of the US and that Russia would not have attacked Ukraine and Iran would not have launched missiles against Israel. What do you guys think?

    I would start by saying many of Hillarys ideas were crazy... like a no fly zone over Syria to stop Russian assistance from defeating Americas proxy terrorist forces.

    Having said that, the work to get the conflict in the Ukraine going started a long time before Trump took office and was going to start one way or the other... the Kiev plan to invade their autonomous regions was set to start two or three weeks after the Russians invaded, so to suggest there would be no war if Trump was in charge is not true... if Putin had not invaded the Kiev would have reignited the war and Russia would have had to intervene anyway.

    To Trumps credit he seemed less inclined to start new wars and actually signed an agreement for US troops to leave Afghanistan... other HATO forces claimed they would stay even without the US but they quickly folded when they realise HATO is not an effective force without the US paying for and supplying most of the logistics.

    I actually think Trump would have stopped Kiev from attacking their own people but I get the feeling he might have started a war against Iran instead.


    Do Russian politicians see both the Republicans and Democrats as mortal enemies of Russia? I see some on this forum criticize the left in America but I don't think the right wing is any better.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:59 am


    Do Russian politicians see both the Republicans and Democrats as mortal enemies of Russia? I see some on this forum criticize the left in America but I don't think the right wing is any better.

    There is no pro Russia party in the US... and in fact there is no anti war party in the US either.

    To put all the sanctions and to send billions of dollars in money and weapons and ammo to the Ukraine with the express purpose of destroying the Russian economy and overthrow Putin and murder Russian soldiers and civilians, including in terrorist acts... if they don't see the entire west as being the enemy then they are traitors to their country and people.

    Fortunately 20 years of Putins rule has allowed Russia to grow and develop and get better and honestly they really don't need the west any more... they are better off working with the rest of the world who are desperate for free trade with fair partners who are not going to rip them off or screw them over or make them conform to their religion or currency or ideology.

    The west thinks it is not replaceable and if they stopped buying Russian gas and oil that they would have no one to sell it to and they would panic and get desperate... but they have taken Europes suicide rather well and have cancelled expansion of their gas reserves and are are looking for new customers in different directions in a way that boosts their new partners positions and situation. India and Turkey are making good money selling Russian gas to Europe, and Europe is paying more for the same stuff they were getting before... a lot more...

    The west thinks it is a 10, but while it can be appealing... especially to teenagers... when you look under the makeup or even the mask... an evil monster lurks there... that will give you nightmares.

    However, the influential publication Politico has released an extensive article in which representatives of the intelligence services and the administration, with a straight face, claim that Iran is behind the assassination attempts on Trump , and that some mysterious Iranian killers, "inept but enthusiastic," are roaming the States, who want to take revenge on the ex-president for the murder of General Soleimani, but keep missing.

    To be fair, when America has murdered Iranian officials they do clearly yell "No backsies", so it is true that Iran can't do the same to America or the west... that is the official rules in the Western International rules based system.

    Iran does need nukes and should nuke Washington at a time where they get everyone... democrats and republicans...

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    Post  Kiko Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:55 am

    Countdown: America Prepares to Pass the Point of No Return, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 10.17.2024.

    The American election campaign has entered the home stretch — in three weeks everything should be over. But exactly what “should” — in reality, there is practically no chance that the vote on November 5 will put an end to the struggle for power in America. Moreover, on November 6, it will simply move to a new, much more dangerous stage for everyone (and not only for the residents of the USA). Because it is already clear: according to the results of the vote, Donald Trump will win, and the return of the ex-president to the White House is categorically unacceptable for the majority of the American establishment. And having failed to stop him with the help of election manipulation, the “deep state” will do everything to annul Trump’s second term — with the help of courts, mass protests and riots, attempts to assassinate him, terrorist attacks and even the threat of a split in the USA.

    But what does it mean that Trump's victory is already a foregone conclusion? After all, poll data is fickle, and the fight will go on until the last day - and replacing Biden with Harris has raised the Democratic candidate's ratings. Why present Trump as a confident winner?

    The thing is that this is Trump's third presidential election, and there is a good opportunity to compare the 2024 polls with similar polls from 2016 and 2020. And then compare them with the voting results in those years, and predict the outcome of the November 5 elections. And if you do this, one thing will become clear: the polls have always given Trump less than he actually received.

    Yes, he won in 2016 and lost in 2020, but the pattern was the same: Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden received fewer votes than the polls promised them. And now Kamala Harris, according to the same polls, has less support than Clinton had in 2016 and Biden in 2022, which means she will do worse against Trump than they did. In other words, she will lose. Moreover, her advantage is shrinking even on a national scale, and by election day it may turn out that even the polls will not put her in first place.

    And this is despite the fact that national leadership – that is, in terms of the total number of votes – is of no importance at all. Clinton beat Trump by several million votes in 2016, but was far behind in the Electoral College, which represents the states. Because everything is decided in the states, and not even in all 50, but in several swing states, that is, those switching from party to party. In the current campaign, there are seven of them ( Pennsylvania , Michigan , Wisconsin , North Carolina , Georgia , Arizona , and Nevada ) – and it is already clear that Trump will win almost all of them.

    The former president led in most of these states when Biden was his opponent, but after Harris was nominated, polls showed a tight race and even a lead for Kamala. But now the "newcomer" effect has disappeared, and everything is back to normal. According to the latest polls, Trump is leading in five of the seven states, everywhere except Wisconsin and Nevada (and he is gradually moving ahead in the first of these states). Yes, his advantage is expressed in small numbers, ranging from 0.3 percent in Pennsylvania to 0.9 in Arizona. Isn't that within the margin of statistical error? Yes, but it is worth looking at the polls from the previous two elections in these states.

    And then it will turn out that Trump is now in a much stronger position than in 2016 and 2020. For example, in Pennsylvania eight years ago, he was losing to Clinton by more than nine percent, and ended up winning by 0.7. Four years later, polls gave Biden an advantage of more than seven percent over Trump, but Donald lost by only 1.2.
    The same thing happened in Michigan and Wisconsin: Trump was far behind Clinton, but won, and Biden's loss was noticeably less than promised. And this, let us recall, was in a situation where Clinton and Biden were seriously ahead of Trump in the polls, and Harris is now behind him or on par.

    If the current alignment holds in the three weeks remaining before the election (though it will likely only become more favorable to Trump), then on November 5, Trump will confidently defeat Harris in five of the seven states, and as a result, will receive 296 electors to 215. At the same time, he has a good chance of taking a sixth state, Wisconsin, and then the final score will be even higher.

    It’s not just the polls that predict a crushing Trump victory — the Democrats are doing very poorly with voter registration in those same swing states: in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada, and Arizona, there are hundreds of thousands fewer than there were four years ago. And no amount of mobilization of Trump’s opponents to vote in stable Democratic states like California or New York will make any difference — the Democrats need Trumpophobes to come out to vote in Pennsylvania.

    Trump's victory frightens the establishment not only because Donald will now be more experienced and evil - and therefore more effective in the fight against the "deep state", but also because he can gain complete control over Congress. If the Republicans win back the Senate (which they have a good chance of doing) and hold on to the House of Representatives, Trump will become a truly sovereign president - unlike his first term, during which he was opposed not only by the "Washington swamp" but also by part of his own party, now he has serious control over the Republicans.

    Bookmakers also sense the real trend - they currently estimate the probability of Trump's election at 53.7 percent, and Harris at 45.7, and closer to the election the ratio may become even more favorable for the former president.

    If Trump cannot be stopped, then he must be killed – and the chances of another assassination attempt are very high now. However, you can kill Trump, but you cannot kill Trumpism, that is, the rebellion of a significant part of Americans against the globalist establishment. Trump's vice-presidential candidate J.D. Vance is much more radical in many respects than his boss – and therefore the physical elimination of the former president will not help the "Washington swamp".

    Turbulence will increase in the next three weeks not only in the US – the stakes for the outcome of the US elections are high for the whole world. Including in war zones – from Ukraine to the Middle East , where the most unexpected events can be expected. This does not mean that the storm will increase until November 5 and then subside – no calm after the storm is expected, if only because the most destructive storms are just forming now.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:44 pm

    @kvs: events of USA elections that will never be presented on mainstream media.

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/10/22/in-the-us-voting-is-a-privilege-not-a-right/

    Peoples Dispatch interviewed Claudia De la Cruz, a socialist candidate running against both Trump and Harris, who as a third party candidate has faced her own challenges in running for office outside the two-party duopoly. De la Cruz directly referenced this attempt at voter purging in North Carolina. “It’s important for us to understand just how undemocratic this system is,” she said.

    “We’ve received a lot of attacks from both the Republicans and the Democrats. The Democrats [are] attacking [us] even more,” she said, referring to the successful attempts by the Democratic Party to get De la Cruz’s name off the ballot in key election battleground states such as Pennsylvania. “We know that they are attacking third party candidates, and I would say even explicitly a socialist candidate, because people are tired and people are exhausted. And when people are tired and exhausted, they look for another alternative. They look for other options.”

    “The real problem here is that you have one party with two names, and both of these sections of the ruling class are gaslighting, blackmailing and bribing our people into believing that they have to vote against their interests, against their values, and against what they understand to be their principles,” De la Cruz said.

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/10/24/jill-stein-refuses-to-take-marching-orders-from-political-elites/

    Below is our interview with Dr. Jill Stein, running on the Green Party ticket alongside running mate Butch Ware. Stein’s platform has attracted many people who feel betrayed and disillusioned by the Democratic Party, including many Muslim and Arab Americans who are outraged for Harris’s role in US support for Israel.

    The people of this country are facing multiple crises, seeing their tax dollars funding a grotesque genocide while they are unable to even be protected from fierce storms during hurricane season. Yet, instead of speaking to these very real crises, the Democrats have identified a different enemy, and that’s third party candidates.

    (...)

    The Democrats had announced back in March that they hired an army of lawyers in order to throw their competitors off the ballot. And this is the party that pats itself on the back for being the representative of true democracy. (...) In addition, they have publicly advertised for infiltrators and spies to basically mess up our organizations on the ground, and our ballot drives. We suspected for a long time that that was going on, a sort of COINTELPRO-type interference. We finally found actual proof of that with the Democratic National Committee advertising for these hires.

    In addition, they tied up our public funding, our matching funds, which made it very hard for us to get on all the ballots where we were counting on those resources to fund those drives.

    Those are various ways that they try to shut us down. They blacklist us, you know, so that the media largely doesn’t cover us. What actually began to really open the doors to wider coverage was when they started smearing us with these really ludicrous smears that people really objected to. AOC, she recorded this really ridiculous Instagram video, which was so kind of self righteous, condescending, smug, telling me that I was a predatory candidate, because I’m not growing the party. Basically making the case that I disappear, except for every four years I come back and run for president, which is nonsense.

    (...)

    Jamie Harrison, the head of the DNC, the chair who started smearing me again as a Russian asset, which has been completely laid to rest, an absurd charge which was investigated for three years by the Senate Intelligence Committee that disputed that rumor thoroughly, and laid that to rest. This is what the Democrats keep trying to do, and there have been several other smears, and now this actual advertisement.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:11 am

    I personally believe that what stopped Hilary from becoming president (apart from everything about her of course) was that the Clinton foundation funds the Democrat party and she essentially said she should be the nominee and not Sanders... and money talks so she got the nomination. She is trying to blame Putins puppets and foreign spies for revealing her secret criminal activity and mistakes, but I suspect it was Sanders supporters within the Democratic party... I suspect she also knew that too but didn't want to split the party with such accusations and internal conflict.

    Perhaps the alternative parties can use their supporters to do to the Democrats what they are trying to do to them... actively commit sabotage at their rallys and embarrass their candidates as much as they can... this would be the free speech that they are trying to use against them.

    America is broken and is a corrupt oligarchy that has the facade of democracy... which is highly amusing because that is what they claim Russia to be... corrupt, undemocratic, rigged elections... except their own observers were impressed with the openness and transparency of Russian elections and praised them for their level of democracy...

    Just because you can anticipate the result does not make it undemocratic.... if one candidate has proven to be very good at the job and the alternatives all look like suspicious sell outs, then democracy is served when the candidate with the 80% plus popularity is elected.

    America has forgotten what real democracy is.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:50 pm





    Ominous Trump Rally in Michigan.


    https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1850330447064052086


    It looks a bit funny, but perhaps it is prophetic?



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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:14 am

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/10/31/has-the-two-party-system-failed-black-men/

    Has the two party system failed Black men?

    If Black voters are not part of Trump’s “club”, some Black radical grassroots organizers argue that they are not part of Harris’ club either. In a webinar, BreakThrough News journalist Eugene Puryear, Philadelphia community activist Hiram Rivera, author and professor Jared Ball, and organizer Kameron Hurt provided analysis on how the two-party system has failed Black men.

    Hurt, who organized in the movement to free political prisoner and Black freedom fighter Ruchell Magee, and is now part of the socialist campaign of Claudia De la Cruz and Karina Garcia, who are running against both Trump and Harris, made the argument that “the two parties don’t have a strategy for Black working class people as well as working class people as a whole.”

    Rivera claimed that the Democratic Party is in fact gearing up to “scapegoat” Black voters if they lose the presidential election to Trump. “You have a presidential candidate who got the nomination and had no platform,” Rivera articulated, referring to Harris, who moved quickly to replace Biden as the Democratic Party favorite after Biden’s abysmal debate performance, and for a while into her campaign did not have a single policy listed on her website.

    “Nobody votes more Democrat [than Black people],” Rivera said. Rivera denounced “scapegoating of brothers” which is used to blame Black voters “for whatever Republican comes into office.”

    “But you’re not talking to those white people who go in droves to vote for Donald Trump,” Rivera said.

    Jared Ball spoke about Obama’s recent surprise visit to a Harris campaign office in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to chide Black male voters who might be “ thinking about sitting out” of this upcoming presidential race.

    “Part of it makes me think, and I’m speaking to men directly, part of it makes me think that, well, you just aren’t feeling the idea of having a woman as president, and you’re coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for that,” Obama bluntly said.

    Ball accused Obama of being a “spokesperson” for the “elite leadership is certainly the white, liberal and conservative ruling circles” in order to “put Black people in line.”

    “How many times did [Obama] use his presidential pulpit over those eight years to chastise Black people and Black men in particular?”

    Eugene Puryear proposed building an alternative to the Democratic Party that will address the needs of Black working class people. “At a certain point, you got to draw a line in the sand, that we’re going to build the uncompromising anti-capitalist alternative right now,” he said. For those who’ve “lost faith in everything,” Puryear does not blame them.

    “We put too much on the masses of people and we say people don’t understand,” he said. “What are we giving them to help them see that we’re serious about struggling? That’s what people want to know. You say you want to fight. Are you willing to really fight? And I think if we can’t even say we won’t vote against the system, how can we really possibly say that we’re going to fight against the system?”

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    Post  Kiko Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:34 am

    Washington is not ready to hand over power to Trump, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 11.02.2024.

    Three days before the US presidential election, nothing can change the outcome — the voters' opinions have been formed and no surprises can change them. And the winner is already known, if we analyze the dynamics of polls during the last three presidential elections in which Donald Trump took part (before him, only Franklin Roosevelt could boast such a number, who, however, won each time), then there can be no doubt about the victory of the ex-president. Moreover, a convincing, impressive victory — with a large advantage in the number of electors (there are 538 of them in total). Trump's position in the seven swing states (and only they determine the outcome of the election) is now significantly better than in 2016, when he won the election, and noticeably stronger than in 2020, when he lost to Biden in some of these states by a very small margin. Polls do not give a true picture simply because some of Trump's voters can be called secret — they do not advertise their sympathies for the billionaire.

    The behaviour of the American establishment also indirectly indicates that the "masters of life" see the real situation - it is no coincidence that in recent days several influential American publications have refused to support any of the candidates, although such a tradition has been going on for several decades and there is no doubt that their sympathies are now on the side of Kamala Harris . Therefore, the demonstrative "abstinence" is, in fact, a death sentence for the current vice president - even her most influential supporters, who are also Trump's haters, do not believe in her victory.

    However, it is impossible to predict with certainty what will happen on November 6, the day after the elections; there are several possible scenarios.

    The first and most unlikely is Kamala Harris's victory. Don't ask how - well, that's how it happened and the Democratic candidate wins the election by a narrow margin, snatching some of the seven swing states from Trump. All the stars of show business congratulate the vice president, the Europeans rejoice, Silicon Valley rejoices and celebrates - but Trump and his supporters will not accept this result. The results will be challenged in the courts of those very two or three states that decided the outcome of the election, a recount of the votes will be demanded - and if the courts are lost or the recount does not change the winner's name, the Trumpists will be sure that the election was stolen from them (and for the second time in a row).

    And they will organize a march on Washington — a peaceful march to the capital to put pressure on Congress and demand justice. Moreover, unlike 2020, everything will be organized much more seriously — it will be a million-strong demonstration against election fraud. If, in addition, the new Congress ends up in the hands of the Republicans (they will almost certainly establish control over the Senate, but the situation in the House of Representatives is uncertain, most likely one of the parties will have a minimal majority), then the people's indignation will be supported by legislators. The maximum heating will occur if several states controlled by the Republicans announce their doubts about the election results and refuse to recognize them, demanding the intervention of Congress and (or) the Supreme Court. Under these conditions, Congress may not approve the election results — especially if the Republicans control both houses.

    And even if the results are confirmed, Harris's inauguration on January 20 could become a catalyst for division if some states refuse to recognize her legitimacy. Trump will be traveling around the country, gathering crowds of supporters, speaking at rallies demanding a review of the results and complicating the work of the new government - who will stop him from holding his own mass rally on January 20, simultaneously with Harris's inauguration ceremony - not to proclaim himself president, but to demonstrate popular support?

    Further development of this scenario could lead to the real beginning of the split and disintegration of the United States - but we will leave it for now, because we really think it is unlikely. Not because Trump will not dare to go that far, but because it is practically impossible to "draw" a victory for Harris with the expected large advantage of Trump.

    So, a different scenario is much more likely – almost a mirror one. According to which, Trump’s victory is followed by the same chain of events – only on the Democrats’ side. Their failure to recognize the ex-president’s victory will lead to contesting the results, courts, and other tricks – with the only difference being that not only the majority of the establishment and media will be on their side, but also the apparatus of power with the White House at the top. Moreover, the Biden-Harris administration may even turn into a Harris administration if Biden resigns immediately after the election and Harris takes over as head of state. For two and a half months, until Trump’s inauguration? But no – if the election results are called into question, the courts drag on, Congress is divided (to the point where the majority in the Senate is for Trump, and in the House of Representatives for Harris) and it cannot confirm the results of the electoral vote, then Harris’s rule may drag on. And then mass unrest and disorder may begin, rallies of Trump's opponents who do not want a "fascist" to come to power, crowds may lay siege to Congress with demands not to let a "dictator" come to power. Democratic states will also join in - New York and California will announce their non-recognition of Trump as president, which, in essence, will become the first rehearsal for a possible collapse of the United States.

    This scenario is much more likely – although it will almost certainly not be played out to the final stage and Trump will ultimately take office. It will not be played out this time – but what will happen if it is repeated in the next election? If J.D. Vance wins – or loses, which the Trumpists will not believe?

    There is, of course, a third scenario for events after November 5 — the calmest one. In which Trump wins the election, gains control of the Senate (or even the entire Congress), and the Biden-Harris administration calmly hands over power to the new administration. The Democrats, of course, try to challenge the election results in several states, but, having failed to change the results, resign themselves to defeat and prepare to live with a second term of President Trump (without scaring each other with the fact that two more terms of J.D. Vance will follow). They don’t even try to kill Trump, and on January 20 of the following year, he calmly takes the oath of office as the 47th President of the United States and begins to form a government.

    However, this is a scenario for a science fiction movie, not real American life.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 02, 2024 1:24 pm

    US blacks are on the Democrat plantation. The same Democrats that were pro-slavery in the 1800s. Republicans were the ones opposed but
    in the wake of the 1960s and welfare, blacks have been conditioned to follow the Democraps. It is true that Republicraps are not vastly better,
    but they are at least resisting woke degeneracy and Trump's MAGA is about focusing on domestic production instead of following the globalist
    offshore imperial model. US transnationals were supposed to rule the world but Trump and his followers have clued in that this is not happening.
    Meanwhile the globalist vermin Democraps are trying to assert US primacy over the planet with all sorts of lunatic war plans, including a war on China.

    Under Trump, the black unemployment rate was the lowest in decades. But blacks keep themselves on the Democrap plantation where they are poor
    and dependent as their community rots. This is second wave slavery that they are responsible for themselves. Nobody is forcing them to drink the
    koolaid.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:46 pm

    kvs wrote:Trump's MAGA is about focusing on domestic production instead of following the globalist offshore imperial model.   US transnationals were supposed to rule the world but Trump and his followers have clued in that this is not happening.
    Meanwhile the globalist vermin Democraps are trying to assert US primacy over the planet with all sorts of lunatic war plans, including a war on China.Under Trump, the black unemployment rate was the lowest in decades.
    Trump's MAGA's cornerstone is his tax cut for the rich and increased tax for the lower population, using the myth of trickle down economy. We know that the evidences show that trickle down economy does not work and only increase inequality. The tax cuts may also increase government debt and budget deficit, which raises some frown brows from the Wall Street and moneylenders, too.

    Another Trump rhetoric is anti-China protectionism and raising tariff, but we do know that Trump's tariff is not meant to block the imported goods from China, but to extort more money from the Chineses to compensate for the loss from tax cut. USA rulers have all reason to block the outflow of hi-tech EUV and chips to China but have no incentive to block the inflow of Chinese-made goods.

    Not that the Democrats are any better, as they also do not change the current tax scheme and also raising protectionist tariff and anti-immigration rhetoric to compete with Trump, and also to not provoke the hostility from their own faction of billionaire sponsors. Biden kept the tax cuts that Trump introduced in his 2016-2020 term that will last to 2025, and Harris will not change that. There is also no notable change in the price gouging medical expense and health insurance expense in USA.

    In other words, both the GOP and the Democrats are much similar to each others than they pretend to be. It does not matter who wins.  The winner of all US “elections” is Wall Street.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:39 am

    The party line is that tax cuts for the rich makes them more likely to move their businesses to the US instead of China or Mexico, and keeping the rich happy will be good for the economy... they increase production and hire more workers.

    Ironically giving $10K to every single poor person in the US would likely result in bills being paid or a wanted consumer good they wanted will be bought... they don't put the money in the bank... this will boost the economy. Giving money to the super rich and it will disappear to offshore accounts and be paid as bonuses to the CEOs and upper staff who realise how much money the owners are saving with these tax cuts to shut them up.

    The western model for business is to give the bare minimum to the workers and the business and give the max to the owners and shareholders.

    If we look at how the Chinese do it they invested the money to upgrade and improve their technology which meant they increased their profits which was reinvested into the company instead of skimmed off by the managers.

    Business in the west is a pyramid scheme where the few at the top enjoy life and have comfort while the ones doing the actual work can't be sure they wont be fired at any time for whatever problem you have warned management about multiple times....but fixing it costs money.

    The western system is ambulance at the bottom of the hill instead of fences and signs and markings around the road to avoid the crash in the first place.

    Both parties are going to "stimulate the economy" by being nice to the billionaires that funded their campaigns, and they are going to continue the wars that are making those billionaires even richer... the democrats might even start a war against China, while trump probably wants a war with Iran, though he didn't go that far when in office.

    All the Hawks will be saying that giving Russia a win in Ukraine will lead to Russia invading Poland or the Baltic States... of course they will be launching drone and missile attacks from those locations to try to make it a reality while denying everything of course.

    You see you have to act tough against Iran and China and Russia and North Korea, because when you abuse children they end up loving you for it.... especially when you are not their parents... and you have no right to punish them the way you do.

    No wonder all except Iran have nukes (dads gun) so America has to be careful, but they don't think they will escalate to nukes... they hope... it is all just a game remember... this is just a bit of fun... we didn't mean it... why are you over reacting.... all we did was arm your neighbour and weaponise them against you and push them to murder Russian soldiers and Russian civilians and even Ukrainians that weren't anti Russian enough... they tried to destroy the Russian economy and the Russian military... why are you so upset?

    Well if Russia starts responding in ways like blocking Uranium fuel to France and the US and titanium and nickel and not selling them in the volumes they have been selling them to make the price skyrocket internationally because of the shortage and the western economies start to really suffer you will understand Russia trying to collapse the US and the west is just them playing your game... right?

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:37 am

    Allow me to make more anti-Trump rhetorics... it is not like I opt for Democrats, both of them are the same shit.

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/11/17/presidential-candidate-donald-trump-wants-to-lift-up-workers-heres-what-he-actually-did-in-power/
    Trump’s devastation of the working class

    At many points in his announcement speech, Trump positioned himself as the candidate of the US working class. In reality, as a billionaire real estate mogul himself and a promoter of policies catered towards the ultra-rich, Trump could not be more out of touch with working people.

    “We will fight with every measure of our strength and with every ounce of our energy,” Trump proclaimed. “To lift up the working men and working women of America and to restore the fabric of this nation.”

    As president, Trump implemented massive tax cuts for the wealthy in 2017, allowing many billionaires and corporations to pay lower taxes than working people. These “reforms” effectively transferred $2 trillion from workers to the ultra-rich.

    The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) enforces labor law but has been historically skewed towards the bosses. Trump further weakened worker protections by overturning NLRB precedent to favor bosses, restricting where workers can organize and protest, among other policies.

    Trump crusaded against raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 per hour. He made over eight million workers ineligible for overtime pay, costing them a total of $1 billion in stolen wages per year. Trump’s wave of deregulation made it easier for corporations to pollute the water and air. Soon after taking office he signed an executive order mandating that for every one regulation implemented, two must be revoked. Trump also slashed Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) resources, reducing the number of inspectors to an all-time low, depriving workers of needed job safety personnel.

    “To every worker and family struggling to survive in the Biden economy with inflation destroying your family and your life, this campaign will be for you,” Trump said on Tuesday.

    Trump’s presidency was also characterized by his genocidal handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, making the United States the unquestionable leader in terms of COVID-19 deaths at over one million. Trump had allegedly been made aware of the pandemic’s deadly nature as early as February 2020. At the same time, Trump’s administration was pursuing public health budget cuts, including a 15% cut to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) which equaled $1.2 billion. Under his presidency, the CDC could not even prepare a proper COVID-19 test kit two months into the pandemic. Trump’s abject failure in distributing tests and PPE and providing incentives for workers to stay home and protect themselves against the disease, among other measures, devastated the US economy as infections and deaths skyrocketed far beyond all other countries in the world. All while Trump himself downplayed the seriousness of the virus, fueling a nationwide anti-public health movement that continues to plague the country.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:15 pm

    These are real metrics of US politicians. All the woke "left" vs right debate is a distraction. US corporations pushing woke agendas are helping to engineer
    a brave new fascist order for America where any hint of "left" will be suppressed. It is obvious that the US "left" fake as fake can be. The woke policies are
    a means to annoy the general public and have them fall into the "right" camp. It's all herding of the sheeple.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:32 pm

    @kvs: now this is about Harris. We can see that she is a loyal servant of the USA police state and USA global terrorism.

    The Democrats use people like Harris and Obama to attract Black voters, pretend to be "friends" of black people. But in reality we know the truth.

    Everybody with a heart will be enraged about how the USA police state criminalized a normal mother who could not allow her daughter to attend school because the daughter was suffering severe case of sickle red blood cell disease that render her bed-ridden for a significant part of her daily life.

    https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/07/22/with-biden-out-kamala-harris-becomes-the-new-democratic-party-choice-for-president/

    Harris’ career in the upper echelons of the California criminal justice system is one of further entrenching the state’s reputation as one of the worst in terms of mass incarceration. According to the Prison Policy Institute, California’s incarceration rate of 494 per 100,000 people means that the state “locks up a higher percentage of its people than almost any democratic country on earth.”

    As California’s Attorney General, Harris personally championed a harsh statewide truancy law that enabled highly punitive measures against parents whose children were not attending school. This law sought to make an example out of parents, who were often working people whose children could not attend school due to a variety of circumstances. These included a mother, Cheree Peoples, of Orange County, arrested and walked out of her home in her pajamas in front of cameras, whose daughter could not attend school regularly due to sickle cell anemia.

    Her record as Vice President proved to be a continuation of her deep conservatism. Not only has she been a fierce supporter of Israel for her entire political career, but she has been just as complicit as “Genocide Joe” Biden in continuing the US’ policy of unconditional arming and funding of Israel as it carries out genocide in Gaza.

    A headline from the Wall Street Journal from 2020, when Kamala joined Biden’s presidential campaign reads “As Harris Joins Biden Ticket, Wall Street Exhales in Relief.” Her key supporters throughout her political career have indeed been the rich and powerful, with the “social and legal elites” of San Francisco funding her first campaign to become the city’s District Attorney. Her popularity with the upper classes continued, with billionaires bankrolling her bid for president in 2020.

    In response to Biden’s endorsement of Harris, Claudia De la Cruz, a socialist running for president against both Biden and Trump on the ticket of the Party for Socialism and Liberation, wrote, “Let’s remember Kamala may be a Black woman, but class interests matter! She has contributed to the mass incarceration of our Black and brown people and has been complicit of genocide. She isn’t kin nor is she a sister of working women!”

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 05, 2024 11:40 pm

    Time for a laugh. This is just brilliant.

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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:06 am

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:00 am

    Below is our interview with Dr. Jill Stein, running on the Green Party ticket

    She is stupid... she had a chance to think independently and be a real independent... and after saying republican and democrat are both the same she came out with Putin is a monster and Russia is the problem speeches.

    When Trump got elected first time he was talking about cooperating with Russia in areas that benefit the US and the west, and also about bringing US soldiers back from wars that don't make the US safer.

    None of the parties seemed to notice that this might be what the people want.

    I am not suggesting they all secretly love Putin and think Russia and Russians are cool, but I am pretty sure when it comes to picking enemies that Russia should be the last side you pick... especially when they are wanting to cooperate and trade because if they can't cooperate and trade with the west they will cooperate and trade with everyone else and that is going to make them more successful than they have ever been before, while also raising the game of everyone else... who may start to wonder why they don't get fair and mutually beneficial trade terms with the west...

    If Trump does not have idiots and neocons on his team like Hayley and Pompeo and Bolton, and instead has Musk and Kennedy jnr and Gubbard then he might actually do rather better as president this time... but I wont hold my breath.

    The Trump presidency was about what he is tweeting at 3am, while Bidens presidency was about how often he falls over or forgets where he is.

    If her handling of the wall to Mexico is anything to go by, if Harris wins she will disappear for months at a time and no one will get interviews...

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    Post  lancelot Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:43 am

    GarryB wrote:Below is our interview with Dr. Jill Stein, running on the Green Party ticket
    The Greens and Liberals are just controlled opposition. Similar to those non-communist parties that had seats in the Soviet Union. I think the Chinese also have something similar.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Committee_of_the_Chinese_Kuomintang
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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:08 am

    i would expect to see more comments during the night US Presidential Election 2024 - Page 3 1f600

    First statements by Trump


    Republicans win also the Senate and the House of Representatives

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:48 am

    George1 wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024

    So we have final proof that the 2020 results were totally fraudulent. Look at the votes cast:

    Harris: 65,805,616
    Trump: 70,870,650

    So we are right back to the previous total vote levels even though one could claim that the turnout would be higher due to MSM hysterical agitation.
    If extra turnout did not happen in 2024 it did not happen in 2020. So the the 81 million Biden "got" in 2020 is fake.

    Also, it appears that all the illegal migrants failed to cast their vote for Harris.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:50 am

    The Republicans have to win the House to clean the house.


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