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2024 Iran–Israel conflict #2
lyle6- Posts : 2590
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The best AD leaks like a sieve?
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Reminds me , when Trump said he will destroy Iran religious sites ! Thinking the pious Iranians will move AD assets away from military or economic sites , and then they can bomb in pleasure . Same old same old ! Now Israelis saying that only military will be hit ! Thinking the naive Iranians will move AD assets away from economic sites , and they can bomb in peace !
Shows their thinking : Iran AD is lethal , but not covering all sites ! I guess they have to guess ! They are thinking of coming with planes ? Before SEAD is done ? Sure not enough time . Retaliation immediate . Might as well take your chances .
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: - an Image of a "THAAD" Battery System spotted somewhere in the Negev Desert, Israel.
This marks its first presence after the United States shipment.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/11135
This marks its first presence after the United States shipment.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/11135
nomadski- Posts : 3069
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Various old verbal threats by Iranians about stopping oil to the " world . " Saying this weapon is even better than nukes ! There was a kind of Tanker war , not so long ago in the Persian Gulf and Red Sea and a few oil Tanker hijackings on the high seas . I was surprised that the price of oil , did not increase too much . The markets did not panic . The markets seem to cope with the loss of a few Tankers .
Also stopping oil to the " world , " is more likely to get others to side with the yanks and co . They may see challenging them , far more problematic , than confronting Iran . If China's oil is stopped , by Iranian bombing of oil wells supplying them , then are they going to object to the Yanks bombing Iranian oil ? They may at best say they are neutral , or at worst , they may give a helping hand , to " secure , " energy sources .
Therefore the oil card , should not be overplayed by Iran . Any disruption should as far as possible , target the offending party first , and then their backers . Therefore Israeli supplies should be a target , and then American / British supplies . The pipeline from R. Azer to Israel is best target . Since , if they invite Turks or Yanks to defend them , Iran can attack by land easily and neutralize the threat . But telling them to turn off the tap , may save a shooting war , if they listen .
The same can be done against suppliers to yanks and co . Turn off the tap , or else . Insuring that others are not a target , such as suppliers to China and Asia / Africa or other states not engaged in the war , or reselling oil to the yanks and co . A targeted approach like the Ansar Allah .
Soon Trump will get in . Wanting " peace , " with Russia , but war with Iran . The idea of ganging up on the weaker side ( of professor Miersheimer school of thought ) , carving out the world ! Carving out Ukraine first ! This tactic only works , if the Cake is big enough . But the Cake , nowadays has to feed many mouths ! So nukes are the Trump card .
Also stopping oil to the " world , " is more likely to get others to side with the yanks and co . They may see challenging them , far more problematic , than confronting Iran . If China's oil is stopped , by Iranian bombing of oil wells supplying them , then are they going to object to the Yanks bombing Iranian oil ? They may at best say they are neutral , or at worst , they may give a helping hand , to " secure , " energy sources .
Therefore the oil card , should not be overplayed by Iran . Any disruption should as far as possible , target the offending party first , and then their backers . Therefore Israeli supplies should be a target , and then American / British supplies . The pipeline from R. Azer to Israel is best target . Since , if they invite Turks or Yanks to defend them , Iran can attack by land easily and neutralize the threat . But telling them to turn off the tap , may save a shooting war , if they listen .
The same can be done against suppliers to yanks and co . Turn off the tap , or else . Insuring that others are not a target , such as suppliers to China and Asia / Africa or other states not engaged in the war , or reselling oil to the yanks and co . A targeted approach like the Ansar Allah .
Soon Trump will get in . Wanting " peace , " with Russia , but war with Iran . The idea of ganging up on the weaker side ( of professor Miersheimer school of thought ) , carving out the world ! Carving out Ukraine first ! This tactic only works , if the Cake is big enough . But the Cake , nowadays has to feed many mouths ! So nukes are the Trump card .
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A photograph has emerged of one of the launchers of a battery of the American THAAD anti-aircraft missile system deployed to Israel, taken in the city of Beersheba, near which is located the Nevatim airbase, which was hit by Iranian ballistic missiles on October 1.
C-17 transport aircraft were used to transport the system components and personnel of the US Army's 69th Air Defense Brigade, making 11 flights to Israel.
https://t.me/intelslava/68494
C-17 transport aircraft were used to transport the system components and personnel of the US Army's 69th Air Defense Brigade, making 11 flights to Israel.
https://t.me/intelslava/68494
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https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-depth-do-earthquakes-occur-what-significance-depth
So was the " quake , " at 10 km depth ? Not necessarily . This could be just a guess . It could have been shallower , allowing for a more practical nuke test . But do people know that ? Of course not . And they may be the only ones without a nuclear fall out shelter . But the Israeli public has these shelters . A nuke test is useless hidden in a cryptic manner . It's main purposes is deterrence . So if Iran conducted a nuke test , then it should be an atmospheric test . Otherwise there is no political pressure to stop the use of nukes against Iran .
And Iranian parliamentarians demanded nukes . And " Rostami , " whoever he is , made the bland rejectionist statement " Iran has more destructive weapons than nukes ! " A sharp retort against a democratic demand against a defeatist and disgraceful " fatwa. " The Iranian military should ignore this fatwa and defeatist politicians against nukes . The IRGC should build warheads , and carry out visible tests . All those supporting this ridiculous Rostami statement , and disgraceful fatwa , should shut up .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes
As shallow as 2.0 km !
Dimona may have fissile material removed , before Israeli attack ! Also , no Dimonas in Washington DC !
So was the " quake , " at 10 km depth ? Not necessarily . This could be just a guess . It could have been shallower , allowing for a more practical nuke test . But do people know that ? Of course not . And they may be the only ones without a nuclear fall out shelter . But the Israeli public has these shelters . A nuke test is useless hidden in a cryptic manner . It's main purposes is deterrence . So if Iran conducted a nuke test , then it should be an atmospheric test . Otherwise there is no political pressure to stop the use of nukes against Iran .
And Iranian parliamentarians demanded nukes . And " Rostami , " whoever he is , made the bland rejectionist statement " Iran has more destructive weapons than nukes ! " A sharp retort against a democratic demand against a defeatist and disgraceful " fatwa. " The Iranian military should ignore this fatwa and defeatist politicians against nukes . The IRGC should build warheads , and carry out visible tests . All those supporting this ridiculous Rostami statement , and disgraceful fatwa , should shut up .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes
As shallow as 2.0 km !
Dimona may have fissile material removed , before Israeli attack ! Also , no Dimonas in Washington DC !
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| BREAKING: Iran’s FM says a list of targets in the occupied territories are ready to be stricken the moment the Zionist regime attacks Iranian soil.
“We will act in kind if they target Iranian nuclear facilities”.
This means Iran will target Dimona, if Israel targets Iranian nuclear facilities.
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/9459
“We will act in kind if they target Iranian nuclear facilities”.
This means Iran will target Dimona, if Israel targets Iranian nuclear facilities.
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/9459
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Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 10:24]
— // NEW: The Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, told CNN that the American intelligence community is conducting an investigation into the leaking of classified documents regarding the Israeli preparations for an attack on Iran.
He added that this is a serious incident, and indicated that he and other senior officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate will receive a classified briefing on the leak and the investigation today.
@Middle_East_Spectator
Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 13:57]
— / MP of the Israeli Likud party, Tali Gottlieb: 'The classified U.S. documents were leaked intentionally to prevent Israel from attacking Iran'
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Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 14:16]
— // NEW: 'The Biden administration leaked to the Iranian government Israel's plan to attack Iran and gave the exact date it would be carried out and the targets of the attack' - Jerusalem Post
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— // NEW: The Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, told CNN that the American intelligence community is conducting an investigation into the leaking of classified documents regarding the Israeli preparations for an attack on Iran.
He added that this is a serious incident, and indicated that he and other senior officials in the House of Representatives and the Senate will receive a classified briefing on the leak and the investigation today.
@Middle_East_Spectator
Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 13:57]
— / MP of the Israeli Likud party, Tali Gottlieb: 'The classified U.S. documents were leaked intentionally to prevent Israel from attacking Iran'
@Middle_East_Spectator
Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 14:16]
— // NEW: 'The Biden administration leaked to the Iranian government Israel's plan to attack Iran and gave the exact date it would be carried out and the targets of the attack' - Jerusalem Post
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Eugenio Argentina wrote:
Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 13:57]
— / MP of the Israeli Likud party, Tali Gottlieb: 'The classified U.S. documents were leaked intentionally to prevent Israel from attacking Iran'
@Middle_East_Spectator
Middle East Spectator, [20/10/2024 14:16]
— // NEW: 'The Biden administration leaked to the Iranian government Israel's plan to attack Iran and gave the exact date it would be carried out and the targets of the attack' - Jerusalem Post
Surely that's speculation; what proof do the Israelis have for either claim? The leak might've been disinfo to get Iran to shift AD away from the real targets.
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— / BREAKING: The Israeli defense ministry has stated that it will receive $5.2 billion in emergency aid from the United States to bolster its air defenses, including the Iron Dome and David Sling and a laser system under development.
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When they get their laser system into service they should call it the Laser Dome, just for that extra lameness
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— / NEW: The Israeli judiciary reports that at least seven Israeli citizens (including a fugitive soldier and two minors) have been arrested on charges of working for Iran, including taking photos and collecting information about the Nevatim and Ramat David air bases, the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv, the Iron Dome systems, the Golani training base and others.
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There are tiny cameras these days . They are the size of your small finger nail . They could be dropped by drone , and transmit . Photo of air activity , pointing upwards . Better than satellites ! No operatives needed . Heard Zionists included uranium dust in bombs that killed Nasrallah . Read it on Iranian website mashregh news . Anyone monitoring radiation levels lately ? It is a dirty bomb in that case , anyone could put one together .
Needs fins and dart to land on soft soil !
Needs fins and dart to land on soft soil !
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Al Jazeera News Alert
Israeli plans for retaliation against Iran are in final stage of approval. Iran is on high alert
“Israel has several options, including nuclear and oil facilities and Iranian military and governmental targets”
- Israeli Channel 14
Israeli plans for retaliation against Iran are in final stage of approval. Iran is on high alert
“Israel has several options, including nuclear and oil facilities and Iranian military and governmental targets”
- Israeli Channel 14
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There are tiny cameras these days . They are the size of your small finger nail . They could be dropped by drone , and transmit . Photo of air activity , pointing upwards . Better than satellites
Not better than satellites. The batteries would only last a short time and any bit of dirt or dust on those tiny lenses and you can't see anything.
The most obvious problem of course is those cameras are designed to operate in a WiFi setup and do not have powerful long range transmitters... but even if they did their transmissions of data would reveal their locations to the enemy who can go out and find them and take them or just stomp them into the ground... or better yet... turn them upside down.
Having a custom designed recon package that can be positioned and recovered might be a good idea... making it disposable means cheaper lower quality components... making it reusable means more expensive to make but cheaper to use because you can use it over and over.
You could make a device that looks like a rock and position it half way up a mountain with an incredibly powerful magnification camera attached.
I remember looking at a Russian site about 3-4 years ago that had their enormous megapixel cameras that enabled a photo to be taken of a city where you could zoom in the image to individual windows in sky scrapers in the middle distance.
The purpose of the enormous megapixel rating of the camera is to allow you to zoom in on specific areas without them becoming pixelated and blocky.
They had another camera with a decent pixel rating but an enormously powerful zoom lens... it sounds amazing and it is for very specific jobs, but for some jobs it is useless.
Think of it like trying to assemble a 10,000 piece jigzaw puzzle while looking only through a straw...
If you are up in a mountain and you want to monitor activity in a specific area of a town or city nearby it would be ideal but trying to keep tabs on everything around the mountain would mean you have a ridiculously enormous volume of space to search.
This is the sort of situation were more than one camera makes sense... even a thermal camera with a wide angle and a zoom that can be used to find things of interest... ie hotspots, and then you can use your powerful camera to zoom in and have a close look.
Equivalent to the idea of an IRST which can scan enormous volumes of airspace looking for hotspots of interest which you can then turn your radar towards to examine properly.
The IRST and thermal camera are passive and can be used to cover large areas quickly and targets of interest like people attract attention in certain climactic conditions... like cold days. You could even use a normal wide angle camera with an AI programme to search for and highlight moving objects in the field of view to detect things of interest.
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Iran could launch satellites in LEO . These would pass over Israel regularly ,taking photo in real time . Difficult to hide planes and Tankers moving on runways . If they move ( especially the Tankers ) then reason enough to hit them immediately . Much better doing it this way , than allowing planes to become airborne , possibly carrying nukes , or ready to hit nuke sites . Iran would then have to fertilize Zionaziland with nuclear waste . Uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years . Russian cameras would help .
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It's quite surprising to see US arm Taiwan and Ukraine to the teeths and Russia and China not arming Iran.
Anyway Iran has the tech to produce good enough satellittes in good numbers and launch them every couple of years to replace the dead ones. 2 years service life is enough and 2 satelittes in the air should be enough to have a constant monitoring of the region. Revolution time at low orbit should be few hours which is enough to find parked fighter/planes and attack those location 30min later with a ballistic missile. Resolution doesn't need to be top of the class to spot them.
Anyway Iran has the tech to produce good enough satellittes in good numbers and launch them every couple of years to replace the dead ones. 2 years service life is enough and 2 satelittes in the air should be enough to have a constant monitoring of the region. Revolution time at low orbit should be few hours which is enough to find parked fighter/planes and attack those location 30min later with a ballistic missile. Resolution doesn't need to be top of the class to spot them.
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Some are wondering, why not carry out a pre-emptive strike?
Iran wants the world to know that it was not the aggressor. That it was attacked first.
Sometimes, I think we might play a bit too much 'by the rules' for our own good.
But I guess that's what distinguishes us from rogue entities that act with no restraint whatsoever and abide by no international or humanitarian rules, like the Zionist regime.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/11342
Iran wants the world to know that it was not the aggressor. That it was attacked first.
Sometimes, I think we might play a bit too much 'by the rules' for our own good.
But I guess that's what distinguishes us from rogue entities that act with no restraint whatsoever and abide by no international or humanitarian rules, like the Zionist regime.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/11342
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Iran does not need Lend-Lease. They can buy weapons with their own funds from energy exports.Isos wrote:It's quite surprising to see US arm Taiwan and Ukraine to the teeths and Russia and China not arming Iran.
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They really need Russo chinese help. They lack a navy, an air force and a decent technology for their ground forces. They have good missile capabilities but they still lack some technology.
Their homemade is either shit propaganda stuff like those stealthy f-5 or is good but lacks huge production capabilities like for their AD.
Sure they won't get itfor free but cheaper than actual price would be a good investment for both to keep US forces more busy with a well armed Iran.
Their homemade is either shit propaganda stuff like those stealthy f-5 or is good but lacks huge production capabilities like for their AD.
Sure they won't get itfor free but cheaper than actual price would be a good investment for both to keep US forces more busy with a well armed Iran.
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I think the actions of the west and the US have probably changed the way Russia and China will do business moving forward, and I suspect if they think a country needs help against the EU or US then they will provide that help.
This is not new, they are talking to the Taliban and they also warned Erdogan about plans to overthrow him a few years back before the Ukraine conflict.
With western support to Kiev in finding targets in Russia and assisting with terrorist attacks I am sure Russia will certainly be more interested in providing assistance to countries like Iran and North Korea... not just military assistance, but also economic assistance to bypass western sanctions and allow both countries to develop and grow their economies too.
There have been a few reports of Iran launching satellites and having Russia launch satellites for them, and of course Russia is launching more recon satellites all the time too so the amount of information they can share is only going to increase over time and that is a positive for both sides.
I rather suspect Trump withdrew from the agreement with Iran for the very reason that it did not stop them creating space launchers to launch satellites and a better view from space of the region might give them access to information that Israel doesn't want them to know.
The agreement with Iran was to allow the US and Israel to identify all their nuclear facilities and important people so they can be destroyed or killed respectively when needed. They played the same game with Saddam, where the IAEA were used to try to track Saddam for the purposes of murdering him... it failed horribly.
The misuse and abuse of international organisations by the west in general and the US in particular is the main reason for countries getting behind BRICS and starting the process of replacing these misused and abused organisations for something that actually serves the people of the world rather than a few rich people in the US.
This is not new, they are talking to the Taliban and they also warned Erdogan about plans to overthrow him a few years back before the Ukraine conflict.
With western support to Kiev in finding targets in Russia and assisting with terrorist attacks I am sure Russia will certainly be more interested in providing assistance to countries like Iran and North Korea... not just military assistance, but also economic assistance to bypass western sanctions and allow both countries to develop and grow their economies too.
There have been a few reports of Iran launching satellites and having Russia launch satellites for them, and of course Russia is launching more recon satellites all the time too so the amount of information they can share is only going to increase over time and that is a positive for both sides.
I rather suspect Trump withdrew from the agreement with Iran for the very reason that it did not stop them creating space launchers to launch satellites and a better view from space of the region might give them access to information that Israel doesn't want them to know.
The agreement with Iran was to allow the US and Israel to identify all their nuclear facilities and important people so they can be destroyed or killed respectively when needed. They played the same game with Saddam, where the IAEA were used to try to track Saddam for the purposes of murdering him... it failed horribly.
The misuse and abuse of international organisations by the west in general and the US in particular is the main reason for countries getting behind BRICS and starting the process of replacing these misused and abused organisations for something that actually serves the people of the world rather than a few rich people in the US.
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I rather suspect Trump withdrew from the agreement with Iran for the very reason that it did not stop them creating space launchers to launch satellites and a better view from space of the region might give them access to information that Israel doesn't want them to know.
I'm pretty sure they caan easily find a corrupted guy from another country to sell them satelitte images from its country's military.
Or buy it to a civilian company. Russia would easily sell its own imagery for some shells too.
It's not an issue.
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The problem is not so much technical but political . In Iran the political system is weak . A lack of political freedoms and political parties . Power concentrated among the few or small minority . This minority serves it's own interests first , not national interests . All decisions and laws are then weak in conception and application . All aspects of life are adversely affected : The economy , internal peace and stability , defence , foreign policy .
Assassinations or decapitation are more effective under these conditions . As are incitement to anarchy and civil unrest , particularly if ethnic divisions exist . Whatever military response by Israel and co , it is evident that political or civilian assassinations will continue , as evidenced recently by killing Iranian medical and Engineering residents in Lebanon .
Rumours point to possible attempts to assassinate Iranian religious leadership . This will prove devastating for Iran stability . It will also create the conditions for a prolonged war against Iran . The aim is to draw the Americans into the war . I did say that the idea of punishing Israel or teaching a lesson is not the right analysis or analogy . Nor is the idea of putting Israel in a box . The struggle is existential for Israel and Iran .
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Private satellite companies only get to do business with US/CIA permission... try to get high resolution images of sensitive places in the US or Israel... it is simply not available and if it is it will be edited.
The Russians have their own satellites and get the raw data which is rather more useful than a finished image that could have been modified/edited.
The Russians have their own satellites and get the raw data which is rather more useful than a finished image that could have been modified/edited.
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