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    Post  Mir Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:19 am

    Things have radically changed for China's submarine designs since they acquired Kilo subs from Russia. Kilos are known to be extremely silent, and apparently China copied that technology from the Kilo and incorporated it into the Type-93 design. All indications are that they are efficiently silent - especially compared to the Type-91.

    Since then the Type-93 has been improved to a great extend. The Type-93B's hull design is completely different and it appears to have taken a leaf from the Borey-M. The Type-093's acoustic electronics also seems to be on par with current generation designs. This include towed array and flank array sonars. Armament also includes cruise missiles.

    All indications are that these subs are extremely quiet and well equipped for the job. The much improved Type-95 is around the corner.

    Mods should consider moving all this talk on Chinese subs to a more appropriate thread. My bad for posting a pic on a new Chinese submarine! Laughing


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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:38 am

    Let's start with the fact, that the Chinese followed the exact path of the Soviets.
    They are building in numbers, and improving projects in the process.
    As they have acquired 636 in 1997 and 1998, respectively - it affected the construction of Type 039 already. Only one sub was built in vanilla configuration, followed by the 39G improved version that has been commissioned since 2003.
    In 2002, they acquired a modernized 636 with a Club system - which was followed by the next series of improvements made with 039 commissioned 2006 on.
    An interesting fact is, that all Type 039 subs have a sonar system originated in the French Thales TSM 2233.
    Which is still considered good enough to be used in export Scorpene.
    But nobody would dare to contest the quality of Brazilian Scorpene sub, right?  Twisted Evil
    After 039, Chinese introduced the next gen 039A, followed by 039B, and finally since 2021 - 039C ...
    All share the same number, but those are totally different subs, with the ones made 20 years ago being on pair with the global trends!
    As for the latest variant, they operate three boats already, with the next five ongoing - in 3 years ...

    Edit : I have just memorized something.
    Type 039C was revealed "by accident" in July 2022, when an official WeChat profile of the Chinese Navy published a photo with it hanging as a background.

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    It was immediately called "an A26 ripoff" by the western shitstream.
    The fact that A26 had a keel-lying ceremony only three weeks or so before revealing the pictures of 039C being operational - hasn't bothered any of the western cocksuckers Laughing Laughing


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    Post  Arrow Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:48 am

    It looks like China will soon have the largest and most modern fleet of nuclear submarines. In terms of quantity, outclassing the US and in terms of technology, perhaps even Russia, or equaling them in terms of the level of advancement of nuclear submarines. Russia will probably not go for such large numbers as China. And the largest fleet of conventional submarines.
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:48 pm

    The large nuke sub reached perfection with Yasen-M armed with hypersonic Zircons...

    For Russia the next step is fully robotic fleets of nuclear powered UUVs with infinite endurance a la Poseidon. Every nuclear armed combatant will have one or a couple such drones assigned and stealthily tailed for the entire duration of their combat duty. When hostilities start its just a matter of flipping the kill switch and these drones will take down their targets in one quick succession.
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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:46 pm

    Let's start with the fact, that the Chinese followed the exact path of the Soviets.
    They are building in numbers, and improving projects in the process.

    lol1

    Please go check the numbers. Post WW2 they started with 26 Zulu class followed by 220 Whisky class for the diesel subs.

    For the SSN they started with 14 November classe followed by 50 or so Victor class. They had tens of different classes. Even today they experiment a lot with the few they have.

    And they used to constantly sail all over the world. Not just around their coast like the Chinese.
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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:16 am

    Just a small sample of Chinese SSK development starting with the Type-033 (Romeo) subs that served for many years until recently as the backbone of the submarine fleet.

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    Followed by the Type-035 Ming that was an improved Romeo.

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    The next step was the Type-039 with the improved Type-039G pictured here.
    Btw in 2006 the Type-039 pop-up within firing range of the Kitty Hawk without being detected!  Shocked  Laughing

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    Up to this point the Chinese developments were quite pedestrian - until the introduction of the Kilo.  Smile

    I wonder how the USN carriers would do against the Type-039A and later types? These subs are clearly heavily influenced by the Kilo.

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    The Type-039B and C are huge improvements over the former, and the hybrid Type-041 will be even better!  What a Face

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    It is rumoured that the new Type-041 sank at the peer, but I think its probably propaganda?
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    Post  lancelot Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:33 pm

    "Type-041" is just a name made up by people on Twitter.

    There is supposed to be a project to make a miniaturized nuclear submarine. But there has been no real information about it other than that they were working on making a suitable nuclear reactor.

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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:09 pm

    Yes lots of rumours and speculation around the "Type-41" submarine. Laughing

    Here is a good picture of the Type-093A SSN - in itself a vast improvement over the initial Type-093.
    It should give a good account of itself against a US carrier task force.

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    China currently have about 50+ fairly modern attack submarines in service, which is a solid number as a deterrent against any US (AUKUS) agression.

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