Russian population

kvs wrote:It's the usual moving goal posts propaganda attack on Russia.   This theme started during the USSR era when the Muslim central Asian republics
had high fertility rates and were projected to dominate the USSR in a few decades.   Well, that forecast didn't pan out, did it now.

Now these stooges are trying to apply the same template to Russia.   As noted above, this is utter BS.   Most Muslims in Russia are
actually migrant workers from those ex-Soviet republics.   Chechnya, Ingushetia, Daghestan are the only unstable Muslim territories
and they are too small to matter on even a 100+ year time scale.    Tatarstan has little in common with the Caucuses republics and
is very developed with a population growth not resembling a rabbit farm.  

Plus half of tatarstan are Russians and the other half being Tatars. Well, not quite to the extent as there are of course germans and other groups there, but one gets the point.

Nibiru wrote:I know Moscow Times is mostly BS, however, the statement was quoted from the Russian muslim in chief. If the quote is entirely made up then theres nothing to be worried about, but what IF the mufti actually said that? of course his wishful thinking wouldn't magically make his dreams of a 30% muslim Russia a reality, But such statements make clear the AIM of Islamic forces in Russia and many other countries with a significant Muslim minority. A SLOW and eventual takeover of their host countries. The Russian archbishop's comment about "No Russians left by 2050" is NOT helping as well. If these Religious figures are government appointed/ approved, then aren't they supposed to follow rules concerning inflammatory comments that shouldn't be spoken especially in a government hosted forum??

Fair points, but it's just wishful thinking. Some/many Western European countries will have huge problems, but not Russia (not to that extent anyway, at all). Of course from a Russian nationalist POV such rhetoric coming from a government approved leader (?) is certainly somewhat problematic, but shouldn't be overdramatized either, and indeed the real trend is that Russia is steadily becoming more "based".

Crap not based on any numbers. If Russians don wnt to have kids can be problem but state always can import immigrants if needed. If support programes wont work of course.



1) Muslims area majority of Russia

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

depending on poll

Orthodox.....65-79%
Muslim..........4-7%


2) Tatars and Chechens flood Russia !!!
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F

2010
Russians....................80,9%
Tatars.........................3,87%
Chechens.....................1,04%




#) worlds trend Muslims flooding earth?

how many Muslim countries in first 30 rted by fertility ? 3-4?
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/total-fertility-rate/

Country Rank
Niger 7.153 children per woman 1
Somalia 6.123 children per woman 2
Dr Congo 5.963 children per woman 3
Mali 5.922 children per woman 4
Chad 5.797 children per woman 5
Angola 5.589 children per woman 6
Burundi 5.577 children per woman 7
Uganda 5.456 children per woman 8
Nigeria 5.417 children per woman 9
Timor Leste 5.337 children per woman 10
Gambia 5.318 children per woman 11
Burkina Faso 5.231 children per woman 12
Mozambique 5.143 children per woman 13
Tanzania 4.924 children per woman 14
Zambia 4.901 children per woman 15
Benin 4.867 children per woman 16
Ivory Coast 4.811 children per woman 17
Central African Republic 4.754 children per woman 18
Guinea 4.738 children per woman 19
South Sudan 4.736 children per woman 20
Senegal 4.647 children per woman 21
Cameroon 4.603 children per woman 22
Mauritania 4.576 children per woman 23
Republic Of The Congo 4.561 children per woman 24
Equatorial Guinea 4.554 children per woman 25
Guinea Bissau 4.513 children per woman 26
Malawi 4.492 children per woman 27
Liberia 4.481 children per woman 28
Sudan 4.434 children per woman 29
Afghanistan 4.412 children per woman 30


BTW


Saudi Arabia 2.481 children per woman 79

Nibiru wrote:.........
Russia Will Be One-Third Muslim in 15 Years, Chief Mufti Predicts...

In that case they are in good company and will probably be last over the finish line.

If it's good enough for USA and EU then it's more than good enough for Russia.

Around 30 percent of the Russian population will practice Islam within the next 15 years, Russia’s grand mufti has predicted...

Around 90 percent of world population will be eating chicken in the next 15 years, KFC middle management executive has predicted

Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov, an official in Russia’s Orthodox Church, agreed with Gainutdin’s forecast and predicted that “there won't be any Russians left in 2050.”...

If Russians literally stopped procreating today there would still be more than plenty of them in 2050.

“It’s too late,” he told the Govorit Moskva radio station when asked if the demographic trend could be reversed....

Stick with stealing donation money padre because you don't know sh*t about demographics.

Nibiru wrote:....If these Religious figures are government appointed/ approved...

They are not, there is a separation of church and state in orthodoxy

And if they are so concerned maybe they should stop trying to ban people they don't like from adopting kids. If you procreate and then let kids become bums you accomplish nothing.

Quality over quantity.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Country Rank
Niger 7.153 children per woman 1...

Alright Niger, that's how you rawdog your females...

Tsavo Lion wrote:Correction: Zhirinovsky said that 24M died as a result of the civil war.
About 8 million people lost their lives during the Russian Civil War. Out of them, about one million were soldiers of the Red Army.
The anti-communists and their White Army killed at least 50,000 communists.
Many millions of people also died due to famine, starvation, and epidemics. In white-occupied areas such as the Ukraine and southern Russia, many Jews were killed.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-died-during-the-Russian-Civil-War
The conflict raged across Eurasia for four years, claimed approximately 15 million lives,..First World War, ..claimed the lives of about 3 million..
https://www.military-history.org/articles/the-russian-civil-war.htm
https://www.rferl.org/a/the-horror-of-russias-civil-war-in-photos-from-red-cross-mission/29699442.html

Scholars figure that communism killed between 8 million and 61 million Soviets, but 15 million to 20 million seems most accurate.
Estimates of the total number of dead due to communism— not counting from wars — run from 85 million to more than 200 million.
https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/the-bolshevik-revolution-a-century-of-death-and-destruction/

So, no1 really knows the total losses. Also, those in the GULAG didn't have any children before they died there or got released. Many of those released also couldn't/didn't have children.
Hence the need to fabricate census #s.

Losses & gains in all 15 republics since 1991:

Those needing translation should use CC & a dictionary.

You are actually using Quora as a source?


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/330/fraud-famine-fascism


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

I use different sources not to appear too biased.
History is always being interpreted in different ways by different pundits/experts espousing their agendas & opinions; it can't be any other way with a social science.
I won't get into more arguing & will focus on the present population trends & what they mean for the future.

So much for the pauper Russia BS. I hear lots of bitching in the MSM about how income inequality is rampant in
Russia. The above shows this for the lie that it is. There are poor in Russia, but none of them are as poor as
the poorest in the USA and Canada.

kvs wrote:

So much for the pauper Russia BS.   I hear lots of bitching in the MSM about how income inequality is rampant in
Russia.   The above shows this for the lie that it is.    There are poor in Russia, but none of them are as poor as
the poorest in the USA and Canada.  

Russian statistics agency points to population decline



MOSCOW, March 14. /TASS/. Russia’s population declined by 93,500 to 148.8 mln in 2018, the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) said in a statement on Thursday.

"According to preliminary estimates, Russia’s permanent population stands at 146.8 mln as of January 1, 2019. The country’s population declined by 93,500 (0.06%) in 2018. However, a 57.2% growth in net migration helped offset the natural population decline," the statement reads.


According to preliminary data, the number of newly born children dropped by 90,600 in 2018. Meanwhile, the mortality rate decreased by 6,600. A thing to note is that in 2017, Russia’s population increased by 76,100 (0.05%), the federal statistics service said.


http://tass.com/society/1048579

Anatoly Karlin thinks immigration is probably underestimated, so it's likely that the population didn't actually decline. We won't know that until the next Census. And in any case that's pretty much +-0.

But 148.8 mln... WTF? Is that a typo? It was slightly below 147 million according to previous estimates. Well, there we go with those adjustments already, if that wasn't a typo or some other mistake. Would make sense as well, with the Ukrainian mess and all that.

It is Russia we are talking about. When things get better they are actually getting much worse. When the population
increases it is actually collapsing. And so on, ad nauseam.

Now we are entering time when youngsters who were born in 90-2000s enter "reproduction age" .Because number of kids dropped in 90 then there is less mothers who can give birth too. This sill be temporary but this is fact. There were many approaches suggested but immigration with integration seems to be quickest one. Otherwise you need to wit for longer time.

Check with Putin's speeches if you dont believe.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Now we are entering time when youngsters who were born in 90-2000s enter  "reproduction age" .Because number of kids dropped in 90 then there is less mothers who can give birth too. This sill be temporary but this is fact. There were many approaches suggested but immigration with integration seems to  be quickest one. Otherwise you need to wit for longer time.

Check with Putin's speeches if you dont believe.

Ever hear of sarcasm?

why people are afraid of Caucasian Muslims? it's all about taste of music!

kvs wrote:
Ever hear of sarcasm?

meh, never

https://rusvesna.su/economy/1555576562

An example of self-defeating, "give NATO free propaganda talking points" polling. Instead of actually measuring the
size of the middle class, they stage some moronic opinion poll.

1) Most people have no clue about incomes of other people unless they know them personally and maybe not even
then. So how can the question about whether they feel they are making more or less than others offer any
value to quantifying the size of the middle class?

2) Questions such as the one noted in (1) are worthless since they are a perceptions index. If enough propaganda
is dished out by various sources then people will feel this and that. The only thing that matters is whether
their incomes actually increased or not.

In 2018 the inflation adjusted incomes of Russians increased by 6.8%. This totally contradicts the "findings" of
this absurd poll. The only way that the middle class can be shrinking is if the average incomes are falling.
This is partly due to the size of the middle class. If it is around 50% of the population then the poor have
to be getting much higher incomes to offset the decline of the middle class income pool. This is regardless
of whether the rich are getting richer or not. The 1% are too small in number to steer the whole average, especially
in Russia which does not have the hyperbolic income distribution that exists in the USA. How can the middle
class shrink if the poor are getting better off. This would directly imply that people are exiting the poor
class into the middle class.

Key item was left out too:

How many people were survey?

Anyway, yes you are right, it is perception based. People want more. If they spend more than they did before, they end up feeling they have less. Not necessarily they make less. That is also something to take into consideration. Cheap food and cheap products are available but if people continue to over spend and buy even more expensive, well of course they will feel poor. Going out to eat is one of the criteria, well, were are they eating out? Expensive restaurants? Or McDonalds? It is a vague question because to us in my household, going out to eat is going to the pub and getting a large nacho's to feed the whole family that cost about $20 CAD. Eating at McDonalds for a $8 Big Mac Meal is also going out.

What can stop the extinction of Russia?
https://regnum.ru/news/society/2660170.html

Ah yes, the extinction of Russia theory rears its ugly head yet again.

Let's be real here, Russia's population has grown over the years and this year it faces decline thanks to wild 90's rearing its ugly head. Yet during the revolution in Russia (1918), Russia's population was significantly less than it is now. Lots died in it. WW2, lots of people died and Russia's population was a tad higher (strange, they just suffered millions of losses during revolution era plus the famine) and by the 70:s their population was higher than ever.

It was the transition of the Soviet Union to Russian federation were majority of people left that brought the population down from 170M to 140M. And yet they talk as if there is a extinction going on. Birthrates in Russia is still much higher than most of Europe, mixed in with migration. And add to it, Russia's population is roughly 30M more now than it ever was when it was independent and not of the USSR.

miketheterrible wrote:Ah yes, the extinction of Russia theory rears its ugly head yet again.

Let's be real here, Russia's population has grown over the years and this year it faces decline thanks to wild 90's rearing its ugly head. Yet during the revolution in Russia (1918), Russia's population was significantly less than it is now. Lots died in it. WW2, lots of people died and Russia's population was a tad higher (strange, they just suffered millions of losses during revolution era plus the famine) and by the 70:s their population was higher than ever.

It was the transition of the Soviet Union to Russian federation were majority of people left that brought the population down from 170M to 140M.  And yet they talk as if there is a extinction going on. Birthrates in Russia is still much higher than most of Europe, mixed in with migration.  And add to it, Russia's population is roughly 30M more now than it ever was when it was independent and not of the USSR.

Japan is an example of an population extinction in progress. Schools are being closed and the geriatrics are taking over. Russia by contrast is opening schools
and to single it out as if it is some uniquely dire situation is grotesque. The whole of the EU is not better off than Russia in terms of the dynamics of the
indigenous population. Covering this up with immigration does not make it go away.

These articles are hate propaganda directed at Russia. Russia is always collapsing, always falling behind, etc.

Tsavo Lion wrote:What can stop the extinction of Russia?
https://regnum.ru/news/society/2660170.html

You like links right? Here's a link for you, so just go back and read through nearly 2000 pages and count how many schools have been built over the past 10 years:

https://translate.yandex.com/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsdelanounas.ru%2Fblogs%2F%3Fpage%3D1998&lang=ru-en

Tsavo Lion wrote:What can stop the extinction of Russia?
https://regnum.ru/news/society/2660170.html

Removing morons who can't read statistics and then write stupid articles from the gene pool is always a good start...

Russia needs a policy to prevent premature mortality https://regnum.ru/news/society/2558447.html

Demographic pit: the population of Russia is getting smaller
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2770676.html

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/russia-population/

https://www.thoughtco.com/population-decline-in-russia-1435266

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/population

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/russia/population/amp

For anyone jumping on the Russia dying bandwagon. Here is some historical info.

Demographic catastrophe: capitalism is an endangered Russia
https://regnum.ru/news/society/2773088.html

The population can be helped by the government, if the Russian government made a genuine effort to help the population grow, than it will grow(and I fully think that the Russian government is doing that.) Helping out with child support, giving parents the full support they need, good health care and good schooling.

I think that the Russian population will grow because the government has made positive gains in child support, helping parents and child care. They can do more of course but they are making positive gains.

There are too many false articles about Russia and the Russian population (which have been going on for decades and centuries going back in history.)