Russian population

TheArmenian wrote:I have the best solution for fertility and it won't cost anything:

- Once a week, switch off the electricity for a few hours (evening time) in whole regions. See how birth rates will rise.

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:yup, that's precisely how I see it.  Otherwise  you need "Nigerian" fertility rates to keep up with population growth   .

All you need for good birth rate are decent incomes, reasonable work hours, maternity leave, affordable housing and affordable kindergartens

Afterwards problem fixes itself

All easily doable if you don't dick around and do some planning

AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

like rape?

PapaDragon wrote:
Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

PapsD wrote:
And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

calripson wrote:You can provide a monetary incentive for woman to give birth and place the child into adoption rather than aborting the child.

https://www.ecologia.org.uk/kitezh-orion/

PhSt wrote:

Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

Islamic countries have strict anti abortion laws, yet you won’t see massive support for liberalism in these places.

PhSt wrote:...The only reason how banning abortion will foment pro liberal attitudes in Russia is because America will exploit the situation and provide both overt and covert support to Russian 5th column Liberats.

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

like rape?

He sure did suggest it plenty of times before...

PapaDragon wrote:
Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

If you want increased birthrate then you have to create conditions in which people would actually WANT to have children

And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

Women routinely provide former while men are supposed to (and routinely fail to) provide latter

Hannibal Barca wrote:...https://www.populationpyramid.net/romania/2020/

As you can see here worked like a charm...

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:If you want higher fertility above 2.2, then as it always has been and always will be, you will have put pressure on the Women.
And give as many benefits as possible to the Man.

like rape?

He sure did suggest it plenty of times before...

No, like sending them into the Draft, and leaving some loopholes for them to have kids instead going into the draft.
Why does every nitwit simply default to "rape".

When did i suggest that?
Why the hell does putting any kind of pressure mechanism on women, translate into Rape.

A record 16 out of 100 Navy women are reassigned from ships to shore duty due to pregnancy, according to data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group.

That number is up 2 percent from 2015, representing hundreds more who have to cut their deployments short, taxing both their unit’s manpower, military budgets and combat readiness. Further, such increases cast a shadow over the lofty gender integration goals set by former President Barack Obama.

Overall, women unexpectedly leave their stations on Navy ships as much as 50 percent more frequently to return to land duty, according to documents obtained from the Navy. The statistics were compiled by the Navy Personnel Command at the request of TheDCNF, covering the period from January 2015 to September 2016.

The evacuation of pregnant women is costly for the Navy. Jude Eden, a nationally known author about women in the military who served in 2004 as a Marine deployed to Iraq, said a single transfer can cost the Navy up to $30,000 for each woman trained for a specific task, then evacuated from an active duty ship and sent to land. That figure translates into $115 million in expenses for 2016 alone.

“This is an avoidable cost and expense, leaving a gap for other people to pick up the work slack,” Eden said.

“A pregnancy takes you out of action for about two years. And there’s no replacement,” said Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, a nonpartisan public policy organization. “So everybody else has to work all that harder,” adding that on small ships and on submarines, “you really have a potential crew disaster.”

Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen told TheDCNF the Navy tries to plan for the unplanned.

“Just as we deal with other unplanned manning losses due to injury or other hardships, we work to ensure that pregnant service members are taken care of and that commands are equipped to fulfill their missions when an unexpected loss occurs,” he said.

In January 2015, 3,335 women were pregnant aboard military vessels, representing about 14 percent of the 23,735 women then serving such duty, according to the data.

But by August 2016 that number reached nearly 16 percent, an all-time high. The Navy reported that 3,840 of the 24,259 women sailors who were aboard Navy ships were pregnant.

PapaDragon wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:...https://www.populationpyramid.net/romania/2020/

As you can see here worked like a charm...

Ah definitely, because Romania in the 80s is an example for civilized societies to follow

Modern day Somalia looks good in comparison

Anyway as the graph shows it had opposite effect in the long run



Now a question: how many of the individuals in this photo do you think grew up to become productive usable members of society?




Population is supposed to be an asset not a liability

Depends on the society and its values. Russia certainly has the means and resources to support a much higher population.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Rosstat forecast: over 16 years, Russia's population will decrease by 12 M
https://www.newsru.com/russia/27dec2019/rosstatdemo.html

Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people,...

their population was.....increasing

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people,...

The USSR lost ~ 40M total by some estimates.

their population was.....increasing

as it should have, after Ms of men & women returned from the war & the GULAG.
But most of the population increase in the 1945-1991 period was in the Muslim areas of Russia, Azerbaijan & Central Asia.
Transposing those conditions on the RF is a mistake: back then, it was a CPSU dictatorship with centralized planned economy & mostly immobile population, esp. in rural areas. Now the RF is still in transition to free market capitalism or whatever will replace it, while being engaged in low intensity conflicts & proxy wars.

miketheterrible wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:Rosstat forecast: over 16 years, Russia's population will decrease by 12 M
https://www.newsru.com/russia/27dec2019/rosstatdemo.html

FYI, that is based upon stagnating numbers.  Which is a falsehood of calculating.  But no one knows real trends.  12M is a huge number to drop and there is zero in terms of evidence that this would happen.  Even during soviet times and after WWII where Russia supposedly lost 20M people, their population was.....increasing.

So as usual, whatever Tsavo posts, take it with a grain of sand.

PapaDragon wrote:
Romania banned abortions back in a day, ask them how well that shit went

Only thing that abortion bans ever achieved is booming illegal abortion industry, surge in crime rate once discarded newborns come of age and massive support for liberalism

If you want increased birthrate then you have to create conditions in which people would actually WANT to have children

And don't try to pin this on women because having children requires two things: womb and money

Women routinely provide former while men are supposed to (and routinely fail to) provide latter