GarryB wrote:So what is there to talk about... Russia has been suffering from a no patriarchal society since the 1920s and actually has better fertility ratings today as western countries who only gave up their patriarchal structure in the 60/70... so after 100 years of the rot you claim womens rights within society Russia is no worse off than the west even though the west has been enduring the same "problem" for half the time (50 years or so).
Sounds like you are proving womens rights in society have no bearing on fertility and that it was actually industrialisation and urbanisation had more effect on fertility than women getting a vote and contraceptives.
Russia's fertility burned to the goddamn ground when Lenin rose and freed the Women, that is categorical evidence of what happens when the Women is freed.
The West simply took a slower route, but the end results are the same.
Which is fertility decline and now stagnation.
Nope, wherever women were freed whether it be Greece, Iran or Mongolia, the fertility soon fell, this is the trend i see constantly.
Who said they are paid for by the state?
If it's not, then great.
Yeah... shit in a bucket for a year and all sorts of things will grow in that too, don't understand your point.
If you don't approve of abortions because that is preventing a life then I guess you don't wash very often or cut your hair and nails... bacteria is alive, and nails and hair has DNA and is alive too, so cutting those is like murder isn't it?
Cancer are abnormal cells in the body... but how do we know it is not just a new part of evolution... some sort of symbiotic growth that you can live with but look like the elephant man....
Shit and otherwise, isn't gonna turn into a person, are you listening to yourself?
One say in 200 million is no say at all I am afraid... and you can keep your money... but don't use water or electricity or roads or footpaths or any services using any of those... and leave society and live out in international waters on your own.
As soon as you tax, whatever that tax is for will have policies and restrictions on it, especially this subject, depends who's in office.
Why do you welfare types always put water and electricity on these lists, they have nothing to do with welfare and taxes, they are a service we voluntarily pay for, the government isn't gonna beat down my door for not paying for those.
And roads or footpaths, look like you ran out of ideas.
What makes you think the state pays for that? We have a relatively subsidised healthcare system here in New Zealand, but an abortion is elective surgery... it is not an injury so you pay for it yourself.
Good, don't subsidize stupid behavior.
Or you will have more of it.
Yeah, women are like immigrants... you don't understand either.
What does your girlfriend or wife think of your views on this?
Women in general are pretty Risk averse, so the more consequences, the less likely they will try it.
What makes you think the state pays for abortions?
And to be honest I suspect most of the time the father of the children would pay for the procedure by choice because it is much cheaper than bringing up another mouth to feed.
When the State subsidizes something like abortions they make the situation worst, that's all i have been saying.
That's their business, so long as the State doesn't subsidize it.
BTW, fathers hardly ever have a say in these matters, that's patriarchal, and the West has very little of that.
Welcome to the 21st century buddy... these days both parents work... sometimes more than one job each to pay for a roof over their heads so effectively they are a zero parent household that relies on family or friends or schools to baby sit their children while they are at work all day... a single parent paid by the state to stay at home to look after their kids sounds much more stable than that...
No it isn't, they wont have many kids, so the welfare state that depends on those kids will falter.
Welfare -> Fertility decline -> Welfare collapse or Mass immigration.
I thought you wanted women to have kids and now you think making it harder for them is a good idea... if they have to rely on their own family to support them they likely wont have any kids or perhaps one... how is that going to improve your population figures.
Yea that's the idea, when life becomes hard for them they will seek a Man to relieve them of their problems, they could also go to their Families, this is the trend where i live.
But so long as the State isn't doing the supporting, this problem wont explode and become the norm.
105% of such statistics are made up on the spot to support an argument... where did you get that number... I suspect from your ass.
It's a well known statistic at this point, believe it or not, this is how it is.
That is an amusing point of view because there are plenty of single mums bringing up children on their own here in New Zealand but we have never had a school shooter, so I guess your numbers are bullshit propaganda with the agenda to demonise single mothers...
Your crime rate looks pretty suspicious, peeked in the 80s to 2000s, i wonder what happened, i can't find those single mother numbers for NZ, pity.
So you want to scare people into having children in the hope that they might be around when you need assistance... great...
Paid tax all my life but now you say I have to sort out my own support in old age... I thought I already did by supporting the elderly care for people now with my tax dollars.
Yea, the older generation is gonna be really screwed when the Welfare state finally falls, should have had kids or more kids, but oh well.
Yeah cause women have babies because men tell them to... right. Do you even know any females at all outside your family?
Patriarchy is the only proven model for high fertility.
Only to a religious nazi like you. You don't need to be married to have kids, and with current divorce rates being married means nothing now anyway... there are plenty of babies born out of wedlock and even more in extramarital affairs...
The Nazis also loved their welfare too, they would have suffered the same fate.
And yet we are seeing continues fertility decline and stagnation.
Where are those babies?
So single people don't need to pay any tax then?
Yes they will, but the idea is those single people will be the kids born thanks to the program.
You know, in order to keep the welfare going you need the kids to pay it.
Human nature is to kill and rape and steal, why would anyone want that?
And who cares about raising fertility there are already way too many people on this planet anyway... if Russia can maintain its current population size it will be fine... look at the populations of other countries... China hasn't expanded and India haven't expanded their borders as their populations have exploded... Russian population stability or even reduction is not a problem... it means the value of resources is spread over a fewer number of hands... which means wealth for more.
It's sadly necessary, so women are more inclined to find a Man, so they wont get killed, raped or stolen from.
Russia's fertility needs to be at least 2.2 for the population to be maintained, from what we see, they haven't achieved that.
And probably wont, unless more pressure are placed on their Women.
China is still pretty patriarchal, and their government isn't stupid like the West's.
When divorces were becoming a problem, the government realized what was going on, and stripped Women of the ability to get property from a divorce settlement, this had an immediate effect.
Men are every bit as capable of fucking things up as women are and vice versa... how about a society where gender doesn't matter... and I don't mean the 200 odd new genders the west are talking about... I mean just respect people male and female and unsure.
Not really, men in general are more competent than Women.
The society where gender are treated equally is failing right in front of us, so it's not feasible for the long term.
Welfare states are the product of Patriarchal states... how many matriarchal states are there?
No, they are the product of entryistic Socialists (aka, Social democracy) and Women voting.
None, matriarchal states don't exist, because as soon Women take power, the nearest patriarchal power rushes in and destroy them, weak prey.
The only surviving ones are in isolated hard to reach locations, and are villages at best.
Fine... you don't give a fuck about your fellow citizen, your fellow countryman... that is the plan... don't care about anyone else... they are stupid or lazy... that is why they are poor and in need of help... but guess what... a few things can happen in your life... wife leaves you... you lose your job and can't find another one... so you lose your house... and all of a sudden you are living on the street thinking sure I made a couple of mistakes but I am not stupid and when I was working I worked hard for my money so I am not lazy... tell that to the people you see on the street telling you to get a job... but as long as you are comfortable right now you don't care... and natural selection means people with more power or strength can screw you when they want... a world of bullies... seems you want to live in the US where only lawyers prosper...
They are on their own, as it should be.
You lost your house because your wife divorced you, you lost your job because your cunt wife made up stupid sh%t to your employer and on social media, you can't find another job because everyone believes Woman's lies.
All this because you were stupid enough to get married in a country that is going full Gynocentric, thanks to freeing their Women and giving them everything, with little to no consequences.
This stupidity is happening a lot in India, to the point where Men started putting their home under their parents name, but the Indian supreme court decided to give the Women whatever the F she wants regardless.
You don't wanna get Screwed, as the gamers would say, Getgud son.
People aren't motivated to do things unless some level fear and suffering are involved, try to take care of everyone and you end up just like the Rat experiment.
Dead and gone.
Do you even know what the word collapse even means?
When western populations start to shrink they will just become more active at killing people in other countries to check their populations and keep themselves safe. Chinas enormous population didn't save it from Japanese invasion and occupation... money and weapons and the skills to use them mean tiny populations can hold out against overwhelming numbers... just ask Israel.
The Israelis can keep their population in check, this is thanks to 3 thing.
Their Draft, which i also recommend to Russia.
Their religious courts that wield legal power over marriage, and try do the Patriarchal thing in their religion.
And their Orthodox believers who have lots of kids "because" they still maintain the Patriarchal parts of their Religion.
See a trend?
The Japanese were also very Patriarchal, but thanks to the Americans changing their laws after the war, their Fertility went straight to hell.
In a very similar fashion to when Lenin initial freed Russian Women.
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like you happy.
LOOOL 
and life was not bad at all. People were happy too! It was not because of the pill, it was because of mind.