Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1

KomissarBojanchev wrote:The current model I see of the armata hull hasa frontal overhang. This is a major design flaw that caused massive mobility problems for other vehicles who had it(i.e. the dismal failure M114). BTW will the armata  have a V-hull to protect from mine blasts?

Wrong... The reason that the frontal overhangs on the M114 were a problem, is because they were steep and the vehicle was short. The BMP's have large overhangs and do not have this problem, at least not seriously. Also, the tracks extend along with the overhang, so it only looks like a large one - The M114 didn't have this.

The benefit of such an overhang of course is more internal volume and much steeper frontal armour so any round penetrating from the front from near horizontal would pretty much have to penetrate the frontal armour 3-4 times its thickness.

APFSDS rounds wont be effected by the angle of armour except having to penetrate more armour but full calibre AP rounds risk just bouncing off the frontal armour.

BMP “Kurganets” to Be Equipped with “Smart” Missiles and Weapons

Infantry fighting vehicle “Kurganets-25″, created on the basis of the average unified platform, will be the first domestic BMP with separation of the crew from the module with arms and ammunition.

It is possible that over time, this BMP will receive weapons, whose work will be based on new physical principles, was reported today in the press service of the department of industry, transport, communications and energy of Kurgan region.

“In the foreseeable future, “Kurgan-25″ will receive our old friend – 30-mm 2A42 automatic gun with ammunition of 500 rounds. This is the only thing that will connect the latest military vehicle with its predecessors, the press-service notices. – For ammunition it will be developed a new range of projectiles, including “smart”, programmed for explosion at the desired point. This will significantly increase the possibility of combat with manpower of the enemy.”

Platform “Boomerang”: Zigzags of Ambitious Program

The emergence of combat vehicles of average unified platform “Boomerang” in the Russian Army must be a real breakthrough in the field of Russian modern wheeled armored vehicles. Newest armored vehicle and the latest machines on its base by the sum of its characteristics will be among the best in the world. As usually happens when you create something radically new, at some stages the development may have some difficulties, but they will be eliminated.

As the power plant is to be applied the four-stroke diesel engine UTD-32TR turbocharged 510 hp in conjunction with hydro-mechanical transmission and hydrostatic transmission. Power pack compartment is located in the middle of the body. Landing and invasion have to occur through after-hatches.

The armored variant of “Boomerang” will probably receive a promising unified fighting module developed in the Tula Instrument Design Bureau.

This is completely in line with the thinking mindstorm thought us

BMP "Kurganets" equip "smart" missiles and weapons

Infantry fighting vehicle "Kurganets-25", created on the basis of the average of the unified platform will be the first domestic BMP, which will be separated from the crew module with arms and ammunition.
It is possible that over time, this BMP will receive weapons, whose work will be based on new physical principles, reported today in the press service of the department of industry, transport, communications and energy Kurgan region.

"In the foreseeable future," Kurgan-25 "" prescribe "old friend 30-mm 2A42 automatic gun with ammunition 500 rounds. This is the only thing that will connect the latest military vehicle with its predecessors, - the press-service. - For ammunition will be developed a new range of projectiles, including "smart", programmed in undermining the desired point. This will significantly increase the possibility of combat manpower of the enemy. "

In particular, the BMP plan to establish coupled with the gun 7.62 mm PKT machine gun with 2,000 rounds ammunition. "Kurganets" will also receive ATGM "Cornet" / 4 pieces on two launchers / firing range which will be from 8 thousand to 10 thousand meters.

"To realize the capabilities of weapons, a modern fire control system. It has the ability to automatically search targets simultaneously in different spectral ranges in a passive and active mode. For the detection of concealed targets will apply optical locator, - the press-service. - The crew of the BMP can lead simultaneous firing two goals, including those from automatic guns at air targets with machine maintenance. In the more distant future, it is possible appearance on the "Kurgan-25" artillery arms of larger caliber - 40 mm and even 57 mm. "


Подробнее: http://vpk-news.ru/news/22878

I guess it will than have complement of Buk (Video Image intensification subsystem), Okhotnik Image processing enhancing images, recognizing artificial lines roads,bridges,buildings, cars,tanks etc and which gives it capability for autotrack/lockon and it sounds like it will have something similiar to this optronic emission detector. (Anti Sniper Device) Unfortunatley not listed in my book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUm79I92Tw4

Do u remember one of vehicles in the photo of this thread with the designs?

Self-propelled mortar-based "Tiger"



6x6 Tigr derivative called Volk with a Nona-B mortar

Volk is not a Tigr derivative- totally different competing vehicle.

Also I am not sure if that vehicle is even a military project or just Burevestnik messing around on its own.

For a light wheeled unit it would be a handy replacement for NONA or VENA, but the external gun mount would require manual loading and seriously limit its angles of fire.

I think an enclosed turret external gun mount with autoloader would be a better solution.

57 mm module will be presented on IDEX 2015



http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/336247.html
http://www.uvz.ru/presscenter/release/708

Better Angle

Clearly no ammo storage in the turret bustle, which means hull penetration and reduced troop capacity.

The very interesting thing is that there is no missile launcher for use against enemy heavy armour... even just for self defence.

the question is... is it because they have a new vertical launch ATGM?

If they did it could be mounted in the hull, but then why does the 30mm cannon armed turret have ATGMs...

Suspect they might think other supporting vehicles or air or ground support might be able to support against very heavy vehicles...

This is just an export mockup anyways, wouldn't look too deeply into it.

GarryB wrote:the question is... is it because they have a new vertical launch ATGM?

The have had many types of VL ATGM since a long time ago, but this fact does not really has an impact on this turret.

GarryB wrote:..., but then why does the 30mm cannon armed turret have ATGMs...

Because most probably this is for export only (the one with the 57 mm gun). The Russian variants would use a different 57 mm gun with a case-telescoped round.

It should be kept in mind that even the Russian ancient 57 mm antitank gun uses a much more powerful 57X480R round than the 57X348SR round used by S-60 family.

Since there's been posts about that potential 57mm turret for export with ATOM et al... Though I'd post this:
From the UAE arms expo IDEX, Emirates Defence Technology company (which is also associated with 57mm offer?)
is showing a new IFV using BMP-3 turret, seating 8 passengers: http://warfaretech.blogspot.com/2015/02/uae-brand-new-8x8.html

From the wheel spacing, troop capacity, and over-all weight, I would make a strong guess this a derivative of Serbian Lazar II.
(a bit less troop capacity, but with larger turret w/ 100mm ammo along with 30mm, that seems more than reasonable)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_2
The UAE vehicle is spec'd with a Caterpillar engine making ~700hp, vs. standard Lazar II with ~500hp (I believe Russian engine).
Pakistan is supposed to have bought some Lazar II (no idea if local production negotiated), perhaps they could adopt this version instead?

Nice

Armor "Boomerang" will go to a series in 2017

Most ugly thing i have ever seen, looks like some selfmade from Mad Max.

That is just UAE looking at a vehicle to replace its BMP-3s with... they like the fire power, but want wheels and more internal space and better rear exit arrangement.

OAO "Kurgan" signed a contract with the Ministry of Defence for the supply of new armored vehicles on the platform Kurganets-25

Werewolf wrote:Most ugly thing i have ever seen, looks like some selfmade from Mad Max.

looks weird- the turret is low pro, but the hull is a barn.

Smiling granny with a Pantsir like airdefence vehicle on Kurganets chasis

http://uploads.ru/MhoUB.png

Cool looking fan-made CGI of the Kurganets platform APC variant, with the Ephora turret:

The turret is called EpoHa, and that is functionally Epoha-lite, the real thing will come in the end of the decade.

Nice, thx for sharing.

Definately a departure from the BMP design.

I suspect this is the APC non penetrating turret that allows a couple of extra troops to be seated under it.

Any IFV version will likely have a 57mm gun which will require a significant hull penetration to the floor to store a useful amount of ammo that would likely reduce the troop capacity by a significant amount.