Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:.............

In fact, there is no alternative to the Project 11356 frigates.

Well, other than 20385, 20386, 22350, 22350M...  
Or this is an acknowledgement that those won't be properly functional or producable in noteworthy numbers for some time................

Nah, they say this for almost every ship type.

Kinda like naval version of ''no foreign analogues'' shtick...

I think that there is some valid point here.

I am not going to take the 20385 into consideration because only two will be made and will cost far more that they should (as I understand).

20350 is a great ship, but it's still a HEAVY corvette with "only" 12 medium SAM's at best and 8 subsonic anti ship missiles, very god ASW sensors but only "short" range torpedoes and lest not forger a fiberglass superstructure, call me old fashion but steel is steel.

The 20386 wont be ready after 2020 and they are still suffering from all the down sides the the 20350 are to, will the containerized Kalibr be there, nobody knows (lets be honest), and if so, why the 8 subsonic missiles, is makes no sense, they should have had the Kalibr's as permanent not optional. That is the whole point of it, that gives it the power to attack a much bigger destroyer. As far as the stealth, it has its place, no question, but on the open sea its all useless without strong offensive weapons.

Adm. Grigorovic is an all steel guided missile frigate that is build on top of a proven design, and that, so far, did far more in action then 20350's ever could. The weapons are well balanced and strong and there is still place for plenty of mods and upgrades.

The only new ship in the RNF that is build right now and can out class it is the Gorshkov's, it's a great ship no question there, but we all now what is the problem here, the building is slow (no need to get into why), the first one might be commission some time after summer of this year, the second one and the end on the next year, and the third one probably at the end of 2019.

On the other side the Grigorovic is having an impact right now and judging by the picture above, Adm. Istomin will be at the level of Adm. Butakov in a moth or so, Adm. Kornilov by the first third of the next year at the latest, once the turbines are ready they will all be commissioned relatively quickly from one another. If all goes well all six will be in the fleet by the end of 2019.

As mentioned above it makes sense to make a few more of them with more upgrades.

I agree. the Grigorovich series is proven and the shipyard has demonstrated its production capability. The Pacific fleet desperately needs ships and 3 additional Grigorovich ships would go a long way.

Fuck India. All they do now is cut joint projects like the MTA in favor of juicy western lobby bucks and smugly insult Russian technology and boast how they will buy US from now on. But they still have the gall to want to lease Russian ships. Unless they stop sitting on fence and start showing some fucking respect they should expect to get jack shit from Russia in terms of ships, which Russia needs more than India. If India only starts buying western crap, then Russia still has a lucrative market in north Africa and Vietnam. perhaps they can start selling buyans to the Azeris or even Pakis for a quick buck to show that there is a price for shitting on Russia.

Looks like Navy will be getting 3 extra Grigorevich frigates after first 6 are done

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1938413.html

http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%9C%D0%B2%D0%BC%D1%8142/

For what fleet ?

It seems they are going to go for Grigorovitch and super gorshkov and stop their plan of 20+ Gorshkovs.

Isos wrote:For what fleet ?

It seems they are going to go for Grigorovitch and super gorshkov and stop their plan of 20+ Gorshkovs.

Most likely for the Black Sea one, in order to further bolster its defenses and to patrol the Black and Mediterranean Seas

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like Navy will be getting 3 extra Grigorevich frigates after first 6 are done

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1938413.html

http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%9C%D0%B2%D0%BC%D1%8142/

+3 for Russian Navy and +2 for Indian Navy also

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1940012.html

Beware, there may be misinterpretation about the 3 additional Pr. 11356 frigates. They may be referring to the second batch of 3 that are still unfinished in the shipyard.
Let's wait and not jump for conclusions.

In any case, those 3 that are still in construction are not going to the Indian Navy. Here is the confirmation:

http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8424/

TheArmenian wrote:Beware, there may be misinterpretation about the 3 additional Pr. 11356 frigates. They may be referring to  the second batch of 3 that are still unfinished in the shipyard.
Let's wait and not jump for conclusions.

In any case, those 3 that are still in construction are not going to the Indian Navy. Here is the confirmation:

http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8424/

Could be. I am still hoping that all next frigates for Navy will be Gorshkovs.

Benya wrote:

Isos wrote:For what fleet ?

It seems they are going to go for Grigorovitch and super gorshkov and stop their plan of 20+ Gorshkovs.

Most likely for the Black Sea one, in order to further bolster its defenses and to patrol the Black and Mediterranean Seas

The black see fleet is the most important for now with the baltic. Tensions grew up very quickly. The should send the Moskva in the north and put more smaller frigate there.

Russia Won’t Sell Unfinished Project 11356 Frigates to India


http://mil.today/2017/Weapons60/

For what fleet ?

My bet is initially 3 each BSF, Pacific & North/Baltic.
Gradually concentrating in BSF (3* semi-permanent @Latakia?) as other ships come online for those other fleets.
Or they'll add a further 3* later -> 6* each BSF & Pacific?

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Russia Won’t Sell Unfinished Project 11356 Frigates to India


http://mil.today/2017/Weapons60/

They were never going to sell them off. This was pure Russia bashing fantasy by all the clowns who believed that
Russia had no capacity to replace the gas turbines produced by Zorya-Mashproect.

The article writer has an idiotic way of linking the clarification of the non-sale to the engine replacement by NPO Saturn.
There is nothing "interesting" about this replacement, it was going to happen sooner rather than later. What motive
could there possibly be to sell off these ships if the replacement program was fully active?

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/95405/

These Ukrainian product could only be replaced on a tight schedule if they constructed a new engine with modern design
and production tools instead of trying to make a copy. This also kills off any Ukrainian claims to patent infringement although
anything originating from the USSR should be automatically shared among all of its fragment republics.

Thats good , Russia needs more of 1135.6 frigate more than India needs it , So no point selling half built to any other country better to build that for Russian Navy.

For Indian Navy they will build 2 new 11356 frigate in Russia and 2 in India at Goa Ship yard

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2699720.html

Austin wrote:Thats good , Russia needs more of 1135.6 frigate more than India needs it , So no point selling half built to any other country better to build that for Russian Navy.

For Indian Navy they will build 2 new 11356 frigate in Russia and 2 in India at Goa Ship yard

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2699720.html

I said this...months ago.

Bunch of pics of Makarov on the way to IMDS http://foto-i-mir.ru/11356-makarov-170627/

According to this article the 2 partially built 1135.6 will be completed for the Indian Navy and then 3 brand new frigates will built for the Russian Navy.

http://mil.today/2017/Weapons57/

And then two days later,

http://mil.today/2017/Weapons60/  

Guess we have to wait

Essen has passed the Bosphorus & arrived at Sevastopol
Bosphorus

Sevastopol

Bunch of onboard & interior pics of Makarov at IMDS http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/2017_7.html

And Essen reloading at Sevastopol http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/blog-post_78.html

Will Makarov join BSF this year?

It's been said it will but who knows if it actually will or not

Amd. Essen already back in action.

As far as the Adm. Makarov, the latest news is that it will be transferred to the BSF in November. What "transferred" actually means is not clear, it could mean that the ship will be commissioned in November but it could, hopefully, mean that it will be commissioned earlier and make the actual transfer to Black sea in November.
The ship is obviously done, the test are over as far as I can figure it out, the main delay that happened earlier with the testing of the Shtil-1 SAM was linked, as reported by a third party, to the testing of the all new active guided missile, the 9M317A / 9M317MAE.

Nice, back to Syria presumably?

It occurs to me the reason for the seemingly crazy long time between going into service & transfer to Black Sea is probably the necessity to work up the crew.
Even though they would have gained experience during trials, a trip from Baltic to Black Sea -including combat missile launches on the way- is no small task to send a totally green crew out on.