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U.S Military encirclement of China
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5958
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GarryB- Posts : 40560
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Unlike the US, China does not benefit from confrontation and chaos and threats of violence... something the US seems to seek out.
Why follow a ship around with other ships when you can use satellites to plot its path feeding coordinates into certain ballistic missiles that can sink carriers...
Why follow a ship around with other ships when you can use satellites to plot its path feeding coordinates into certain ballistic missiles that can sink carriers...
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GarryB wrote:We have proportional representation which normally means no one party fully gets its own way all the time... means they have to negotiate more and horse trade more which means some of the more radical ideas get stopped that would otherwise sneak through.
Essentially we suffer from the same problem most western countries suffer from... two main parties and lots of little fringe groups with the two main parties essentially being central middle of the road parties that only really differ in a couple of key areas... none of which are very important.
National equates to republicans and Labour to democrats, but all are full of shit... on paper the Labour party set up the social welfare state but they also broke it too.
The farmers and business owners vote for national and the less extremist lefties and less extremist greenies vote for Labour.
It is even less interesting than US politics really... but it is not democracy either.
Last time National was in power it held a referendum on selling state assets to earn some short term cash... ie reward the rich by selling state developed businesses with infrastructure at bargain basement prices so they can become much richer.
Something like 70-80% of the voting population said no, but they did it anyway... they said the referendum was non biding and they had been elected into office by people wanting privatisation.... it was going to streamline the sectors and make them more competitive to save the customers money. Prices went up of course.
Real democracy wouldn't work either... imagine the entire workforce at a company voting on everything... first of all you would be reading pages and pages of background information and voting 20-30 times a day... and sometimes the obvious choice is not the best choice...
I would think something similar to communism where say 30% of the population are politically active and care about politics... they can dedicate the time and thought into what is best for the whole country... not just yourself, and the 70% of the population who don't give a shit and realise their opinion does not matter anyway can just get on with their lives.
Canada is the same. Its truly hopeless. Look around the world. Well governed places like Russia, Singapore, Dubai and China are not democracies. I wish we could get this kind of govt in the Anglosphere one day
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Not directly related to the US and irrelevant to military, but, well...
https://www.rt.com/news/522941-new-zealand-china-uighur-genocide-western-allies/
New Zealand refuses to accuse China of genocide against Uighurs in break with Western allies
The New Zealand parliament has expressed ‘grave concern’ about China’s alleged treatment of Uighur Muslims but, in a break from its Five Eyes spy network partners, the government has refused to call it a genocide.
The divide between New Zealand and its Western partners was outlined during a parliamentary session on Wednesday, as politicians unanimously backed a motion expressing “grave concern” about allegations of human rights violations against Uighur Muslims.
The declaration only managed to secure the support of MPs after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s left-wing Labor Party ensured the motion contained no reference to claims of a genocidal act by Beijing against the minority group, claims that are accepted by some of New Zealand’s closest allies.
Three members of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States have directly claimed that China’s behavior towards Uighurs in Xinjiang province constitutes genocide but, so far, Australia and New Zealand have cautiously refused to go that far.
China’s embassy in New Zealand has not commented on the motion passed by parliament but, previously, Beijing has strongly refuted claims of a genocide or even mistreatment of Uighurs.
https://www.rt.com/news/522941-new-zealand-china-uighur-genocide-western-allies/
New Zealand refuses to accuse China of genocide against Uighurs in break with Western allies
The New Zealand parliament has expressed ‘grave concern’ about China’s alleged treatment of Uighur Muslims but, in a break from its Five Eyes spy network partners, the government has refused to call it a genocide.
The divide between New Zealand and its Western partners was outlined during a parliamentary session on Wednesday, as politicians unanimously backed a motion expressing “grave concern” about allegations of human rights violations against Uighur Muslims.
The declaration only managed to secure the support of MPs after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s left-wing Labor Party ensured the motion contained no reference to claims of a genocidal act by Beijing against the minority group, claims that are accepted by some of New Zealand’s closest allies.
Three members of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States have directly claimed that China’s behavior towards Uighurs in Xinjiang province constitutes genocide but, so far, Australia and New Zealand have cautiously refused to go that far.
China’s embassy in New Zealand has not commented on the motion passed by parliament but, previously, Beijing has strongly refuted claims of a genocide or even mistreatment of Uighurs.
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GarryB- Posts : 40560
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New Zealand has a history of not so wonderful behaviour.... we even had a chinaman tax to stop gold prospectors from China from bringing their families here... we are hardly in a position to tell other countries what they should be doing.
I am sure if China wants our advice they will ask us... otherwise it is none of our business...
I am sure if China wants our advice they will ask us... otherwise it is none of our business...
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par far- Posts : 3496
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I wonder what army the US will send to "encircle" China, hopefully it is not this army. LOL
https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1388485151018061827/photo/1
https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1388485151018061827/photo/1
andalusia- Posts : 771
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This is a good article about China studying the mistakes of Japan in WWII : https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-learning-battle-changed-course-130406313.html
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Having Japanese battleships to provide air defense would not have been that helpful. Japanese anti-air weapons on ships weren't that effective and they had no radar guidance on them.
The US had radar guidance on anti air weapons on ships and they also had more advanced fire control on main guns than all but the largest Japanese ships.
The US had radar guidance on anti air weapons on ships and they also had more advanced fire control on main guns than all but the largest Japanese ships.
GarryB- Posts : 40560
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Getting the orders being sent out to the troops before the actual enemy troops receive them is a serious advantage in any conflict... even if they make sure their comms and HQs are secure would be an enormous advantage over the Japs.
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What fecking hypersonic missiles are these lunatics going on about? They expect them to pop into existence?
China can deploy hypersonic missiles too. The lunatics in Washington are now totally detached from reality.
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par far- Posts : 3496
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America defeated by people wearing scandal's and with old AKM rifles, they have not had their ass kicked enough, if they think they can take on a army almost with same capabilities than they are detached from reality.
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Chinese and Russian militaries are start to use each others weapons to familiarize with each others weapon system.
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The US is acting just like Nazi Germany, guzzling its own propaganda koolaid assuming that it is the chosen nation that can
dictate to the planet how to live. Japan is indeed just cannon fodder. Japanese government officials have been making
insane threats against Russia over the Kurile islands. Russia has threatened military retaliation both against Japanese
and US forces on Japanese soil. The US is clearly instigating the Taiwanese and the Japanese to act this way.
As for the why the US is so obsessed with China, that is because for the US it is a zero sum game. China is displacing
the US in global trade. It is helping to liberate countries around the world from the US colonial plantation through fair
investment and trade. The US simply has not way to fight this without military means, including regime change subversion.
The US has no superior economic model which to follow. The vaunted US standard of living (exaggerated beyond any
sanity) is all trickle down from the looting of the planet by its elites. This trickle down is going to attenuate exponentially
without the colonial spice flow. In fact, it is already doing just that and that is driving the social instability in the USA.
But you will never see this reality in any of the fake stream media coverage.
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Washington Tightens the Noose around China in new Cold War of Encirclement
https://www.juancole.com/2022/01/washington-tightens-encirclement.html
https://www.juancole.com/2022/01/washington-tightens-encirclement.html
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The US Navy has shown off several men-of-war accompanied by dozens of jets taking during drills with its Japanese allies in the Philippine Sea amid persistent tensions with China. Beijing conducted its own stunt by performing a flyby of 39 aircraft near Taiwan on Sunday
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If anyone has any doubt what poseidon is for, well there it is
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https://www.hoover.org/events/china-eve-winter-olympics-hard-choices-worlds-democracies
George Soros had his panties in a twist - yet again - over CHY-NAH. People have probably seen short segments of the video conference by now - but for those who haven't a quick resume. Basically György Schwartz calls Xi the biggest threat the 'Open Societies'. Accuses Xi of turning back the clock and rooting out his fifth column (Deng Xiaoping/Jiang Zemin (globalists) / Bo Xilai-Bo GuaGua (hardleft Marxists). Labels 2022 a vital year in the clash between 'open' and 'closed' societies. He also critizes China's zero Covid policy and states that Omicron might very well become Xi's downfall.
The entire conference can be seen in the link above. Soros' speech starts at 7.45.
George Soros had his panties in a twist - yet again - over CHY-NAH. People have probably seen short segments of the video conference by now - but for those who haven't a quick resume. Basically György Schwartz calls Xi the biggest threat the 'Open Societies'. Accuses Xi of turning back the clock and rooting out his fifth column (Deng Xiaoping/Jiang Zemin (globalists) / Bo Xilai-Bo GuaGua (hardleft Marxists). Labels 2022 a vital year in the clash between 'open' and 'closed' societies. He also critizes China's zero Covid policy and states that Omicron might very well become Xi's downfall.
The entire conference can be seen in the link above. Soros' speech starts at 7.45.
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Soros acts as if he is the actual leader of the collective west. And by all appearances he is at the very least authorized to act this way
by the true deciders running the kabuki theater.
by the true deciders running the kabuki theater.
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It is not too hard to figure out the reality behind the myth of the brave Jewish boy from Hungary pulling himself up from the bootstraps and making his way to a self-enlightened freedom promoting billionaire.
Soros is intimately connected to the City of London power structure. Now, for the less financially savvy, there is only one actual commodity with value in the capital markets casino and that commodity is information. No one is in a better position to capitalize on information than intelligence agencies. (Maybe the NSA should set up a hedge fund? 10,000% returns a year for eternity). Soros just so happened to make his bones by "guessing" correctly what future Bank of England policy would be. Hmm. Convenient.
It has also been an historic trend for intelligence agencies to "outsource" propaganda to give it legitimacy and distance. Commonly referred to as "cutouts". Soros devoted much of his wealth to promoting 1980s style regime change in the USSR and former communist countries as allegedly a private citizen "do-gooder." More recently, he has devoted his time to undermining populist and supposedly anti-globalist candidates like Trump and by actively funding BLM, local district attorneys who fail to prosecute rioters, ect. Now he evidently has decided to focus on "freeing China".
Much like in the Wizard of Oz, the guy behind the curtain never willingly shows himself. Hence, Soros is not the guy behind the curtain. He is the public face of the guys (and girls) behind the curtain.
Soros is intimately connected to the City of London power structure. Now, for the less financially savvy, there is only one actual commodity with value in the capital markets casino and that commodity is information. No one is in a better position to capitalize on information than intelligence agencies. (Maybe the NSA should set up a hedge fund? 10,000% returns a year for eternity). Soros just so happened to make his bones by "guessing" correctly what future Bank of England policy would be. Hmm. Convenient.
It has also been an historic trend for intelligence agencies to "outsource" propaganda to give it legitimacy and distance. Commonly referred to as "cutouts". Soros devoted much of his wealth to promoting 1980s style regime change in the USSR and former communist countries as allegedly a private citizen "do-gooder." More recently, he has devoted his time to undermining populist and supposedly anti-globalist candidates like Trump and by actively funding BLM, local district attorneys who fail to prosecute rioters, ect. Now he evidently has decided to focus on "freeing China".
Much like in the Wizard of Oz, the guy behind the curtain never willingly shows himself. Hence, Soros is not the guy behind the curtain. He is the public face of the guys (and girls) behind the curtain.
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Guys behind the scenes have been known for years but the majority refuses to take notice.
We have all heard about the families that are behind the central banking system + the nobility/old money that got conflated with them. György Schwartz is nouveau riche compared to them.
Full interview here. My favorite philanthropist's part starts at 7:45
Main takeaways
We have all heard about the families that are behind the central banking system + the nobility/old money that got conflated with them. György Schwartz is nouveau riche compared to them.
Full interview here. My favorite philanthropist's part starts at 7:45
Main takeaways
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NATzO is authoritarian and actually closer to the totalitarian ideal. The vast majority of the NATzO citizens drink the Orwellian propaganda
Kool-Aid like God's nectar. That some fringe is not part of the herd means nothing.
Look at the US mass media, including Fox News, coverage of Ukraine. Stenography and fake rebroadcasting utterly detached from reality.
This is not "mistakes" this is hard core 1984 level two minutes' hate spew.
I know for a fact that even in the USSR before 1980s the population did not drink the Kool-Aid like the average NATzO citizen laps it up
and relishes it with gusto. I am quite sure that China is very similar even with all of the state information filtering.
It would be nice to live in a world of real freedom, but this world is clearly a fictional ideal. Nowhere on this planet, particularly in the
self-anointed "free world" of NATzO, is this ideal achieved.
Kool-Aid like God's nectar. That some fringe is not part of the herd means nothing.
Look at the US mass media, including Fox News, coverage of Ukraine. Stenography and fake rebroadcasting utterly detached from reality.
This is not "mistakes" this is hard core 1984 level two minutes' hate spew.
I know for a fact that even in the USSR before 1980s the population did not drink the Kool-Aid like the average NATzO citizen laps it up
and relishes it with gusto. I am quite sure that China is very similar even with all of the state information filtering.
It would be nice to live in a world of real freedom, but this world is clearly a fictional ideal. Nowhere on this planet, particularly in the
self-anointed "free world" of NATzO, is this ideal achieved.
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HATO, or more accurately the US used every weapon at its disposal to start the war in the Ukraine... knowing Russian and European history, that would be Nazis, Bio weapons and Nukes, and they used them all to achieve their aims... careful what you wish for...
So far they have been attacking Russia and Russian responses have made Russia more independent and stronger, well now this attack has made Russia realise its future is not with the west at all and it is going to have to get together with the rest of the world to carve a new future for themselves that does not involve the US or the west.
Ironically this is actually all good for Russia... not so good for the west... when they work it out perhaps there will be trials for the Bushes and Clintons and Obamas and Bidens... but I doubt it.
So far they have been attacking Russia and Russian responses have made Russia more independent and stronger, well now this attack has made Russia realise its future is not with the west at all and it is going to have to get together with the rest of the world to carve a new future for themselves that does not involve the US or the west.
Ironically this is actually all good for Russia... not so good for the west... when they work it out perhaps there will be trials for the Bushes and Clintons and Obamas and Bidens... but I doubt it.
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The US and its allies are working on Hypersonic missiles to counter China; Should China be concerned?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-uk-and-australia-to-develop-hypersonic-missiles-185327718.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-uk-and-australia-to-develop-hypersonic-missiles-185327718.html
andalusia- Posts : 771
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What do you guys think of the US carrier commanders who say they are well protected against Chinese and Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-aircraft-carriers-arent-little-teacups-their-captains-say-2022-4
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-aircraft-carriers-arent-little-teacups-their-captains-say-2022-4
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andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of the US carrier commanders who say they are well protected against Chinese and Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-aircraft-carriers-arent-little-teacups-their-captains-say-2022-4
Pap for mass media consumer sheeple. None of the CIWS systems is able to deal with hypersonic missiles. Full stop.
US carrier commanders like the rest of the US generals are political hacks who have to play the mass media propaganda
game. See the parade of US generals making total chimps out of themselves in their evaluation of the war in Ukraine.
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