U.S Military encirclement of China

They are in denial because the truth is they are terribly vulnerable to hypersonic Russian anti ship missiles because they are designed specifically to penetrate the air defences of western ships and groups of ships.

Just saw this comment on a website; I hope that the US doesn't create a Asian Nato. What are people's thoughts on this statement.


"The biggest Navy in any ocean is the USN. Atlantic, Pacific or Indian. The Pacific Command, comprises 3rd and 7th fleet. 4 CSG in the 3rd and 1 in the 7th plus all those subs and destroyers in the 7th. Just one of these is enough to bring down ANY navy. The kind of firepower they can unleash is unprecedented. And the trump is they can do these thousands of kms away from their territory in the opponents backyard. Anybody who thinks otherwise, is living in a fool's paradise.

The Americans as of date are not yet aligned for a fight with the PLAN. But, the preparations are there with the Asia pivot. Give this 5 years. Over the next 5 years, you will see a strengthening of US partnerships with East Asian and South East Asian states. This could even be through defence alliances. And once those alliances are in place, the testing of the Americans of the Chinese will begin. The emergence of a NATO like organisation is not far behind."


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/vietnams-kilo-class-submarines-a-serious-threat-to-china.383995/page-3

They have been pushing the Chinese for quite some time now and the so called pivot is a bit creaky in that the Indian component would rather buy Su-30s and S-400s than F-35s and Patriots and are not so stupid as to join the west in a fight against China just because the US wants a giant meatshield in the form of India on their side.

I would say an Asian HATO is inevidible and just as doomed to be weak and ineffective.... a real drain on resources and a set of blinkers to limit member states in what they can say and do.

The real difference is that China is a big producer of western products and so trying to isolate China is a self inflicted wound for most countries that trade with China at the moment...

The US is just doing what it does, no surprises... didn't work against Russia and it wont work against China first and then India next...

The amusing thing is that they state their surface ships are dangerous from thousands of kms away from enemy territory, well the flight range of F-35s and the flight range of Tomahawk missiles means those carriers will have to get within Kinzhal and MiG-31K range to do anything at all, which means it will be messy for them... even if their target country does nothing... and they launch hundreds of cruise missiles... the combination of modern surface ships with modern SAMs and modern radars and aircraft like AWACS types working with modern fighters would clean up a massive strike of incoming cruise missiles even without dedicated aircraft like the MiG-31BM.

Modern fighters with modern radar... they don't even have to be AESA radar, but modern ARH AAMs and short range R-73 type air to air missiles would be very effective in bringing down subsonic cruise missiles... in enormous numbers.

A massive attack of thousands of cruise missiles would justify a country like China retaliating with nuclear armed ballistic missiles against the surface group responsible for the attack... purely as a self defence measure to prevent them launching a second strike.

I hope they do create an Asian HATO because it will be totally ineffective because most Asian countries wont buy up lots of AEGIS class cruisers which i suspect they are hoping will be the direct result of such an agreement... Australia will piss away good money like they are for an SSN which will only get them into trouble and lead China to start sending SSN down to the south pacific to monitor and deal with its hostile neighbour to the south.

Surprise surprise... buying big deal stuff like the big boys have creates a less safe environment for Australia instead of the promised increased defence capacity.

This is interesting that this article says that the US overestimated Russia's military but might be underestimating China:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-overestimated-russia-military-might-190000813.html

Sounds like a tactical shift away from Russia as the bad guy towards China taking that position... is this a thawing of mentality towards Russia...

Who cares... they are not going to respond with hugs and forgiveness for the US sending weapons to kill their soldiers in the Ukraine...

The hit and run tactics they tried to impliment with the Orcs hasn't worked... that was the basis of HATOs plan... Germany and France and the UK etc were supposed to sit back while the front line countries grind the Russians down with guerilla warfare and the Russians were supposed to pour troops into the grinder using up men... well... like Kiev is currently doing... and then when they run out of men they mobilise the conscript cannon fodder.... and then political and economic collapse... and then HATO moves in and starts taking over resources and territory like they were in the Middle East 100 years ago dividing up the land and creating new countries with made up royal families intended to never get along and therefore never unite and work together against the western occupation and rule.

The other factor is that using nazis to control those in the south and the east of the country has probably opened the eyes of the natives of those regions as to how rapidly evil ukrainians can be against fellow Ukrainians in their south and east...

Bit of an education to see how bat shit crazy these people are... but then the Nazis were shocked at how keen these people and people from the Baltic regions were to sadistic cruelty to jews and other designated bad guys in their damaged world view...

The core of the problem is that they have gurus and experts like that Japanese guy... what is his name... something like fuckyourmama or something... that just spews out blind hate for Russia and Putin... he is repeatedly wrong, but just doubles down and continues the same line of crap because that seems to be what those in charge want to hear and so he remains popular with those in power.

I doubt they will do any better against China, but it is good for China and India and Brazil and South Africa and the rest of the world to see this...

Don’t say we didn’t warn you – Symposium of China’s top think tank sends classic, pre-war warning to provocative Pelosi

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202207/1271745.shtml

Very serious. US seems keen to ramp up tensions around Taiwan and force China's hand the same way they did with Russia in Ukraine. On the other hand, China seems more than ready to answer to the US provocations for their own interests, also mirroring what Russia has done. Is this a miscalculation by the West in their wishful destruction of the world's balance for the advancement of a new architecture, or will they pull it off? In any case, they are surely playing with fire, this fall promises to be fateful one.

It is a big moment for Xi and China. I'll be the first to call Xi a coward who can't carry Putins jockstrap if this visit somehow happens.

It is a big moment for Xi and China. I'll be the first to call Xi a coward who can't carry Putins jockstrap if this visit somehow happens.

It is a big moment for Xi and for China and for the whole world, but I would never call him a coward for not wanting to start WWIII with the US...

Putin attacked the Ukraine because he had no other choice and he is not fighting the US directly, even if a few do turn up in captivity in the DNR from time to time.

I would think Xi should be smarter than starting an invasion of Taiwan just because some empty headed American bitch is going there... there are lots of economic ties between China and the US he could play around with if he wanted to hurt them without escalating to open warfare...

Perhaps they could start agitating in the US... fund Hawaiian groups wanting independence from the US, or Alaskan groups or Native American groups, or African American groups who maybe want their own state within the US where they run things the way they want to...

Or they could start paying more attention to Mexico and start helping them deal with their problems and invest in their country and help it develop the way it never will with the US by their side...

The empty headed bitch already crawled back, as the official list of states she will visit was already published.
And suprice suprice, no Taiwan there.
In face saving scenario, she may meet some Taiwanese delegates in other country.

'The empty headed bitch' has an alleged new schedule and according to some she'll land in Taiwan tomorrow night.

US also moving many military assets closer to China

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/U.S.-deploys-ships-and-planes-near-Taiwan-as-Pelosi-eyes-visit

Man I do hope we see some Chinese fireworks this time, would be absolutely criminal if they pussy out here.

sundoesntrise wrote:'The empty headed bitch' has an alleged new schedule and according to some she'll land in Taiwan tomorrow night.

US also moving many military assets closer to China

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/U.S.-deploys-ships-and-planes-near-Taiwan-as-Pelosi-eyes-visit

Yep..its not over yet. Xi can't let it happen. Shoot it down if you have to

@Garry

If Xi does nothing , this will be hailed as a continuation of the century of humiliation. The Americans will be high 5'ing and rubbing it in their face.

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sundoesntrise wrote:'The empty headed bitch' has an alleged new schedule and according to some she'll land in Taiwan tomorrow night.

US also moving many military assets closer to China

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/U.S.-deploys-ships-and-planes-near-Taiwan-as-Pelosi-eyes-visit

Yep..its not over yet. Xi can't let it happen. Shoot it down if you have to

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This guy on Twitter called it. At this point they are trying to goad China into shooting down a civilian airliner again

https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status/1554169141736587264?t=_oC9IE5jeCHnCFluGxqOzA&s=19

Honestly I cant think of a single time that the Chinese leadership reacted swiftly and forcefully against anything the US has done in the last 10-15 years. People say the USSR was too cautious. I think China is more cautious. Not saying it is bad. But when you live among madmen, this can backfire

People here in the US have said that China's nuclear arsenal is vastly inferior to both the US and Russia; What is the exact nuclear arsenal of China?

I read somewhere a few years ago that their arsenal is only 300 warheads but I believe China has increased that number.