Russia - USA Relations

What assertions?

The health of the American economy? I mean the doomsday clock has been ticking since 1929. Everyday the empire is about to explode if you listen to RT.

The losers list, in order? Self-evident in my opinion

Or the Chinese being little dwarfs in geopolitics? also self-evident given their oversized economy. Hec just compare it to the USSR, it's not even close.

More like you should back your assertions about the demise of the empire's enforcement power when they have puppet governments in what was historically Russian territory in Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Georgia, and cooking puppets in Armenia, while fucking Russian ally Syria almost beyond repair and frozen in conflict?

Or how it got the foolish elite in Brazil and Argentina to commit seppukuu while they hashed out a deal with the Chinese at their expense? Bolsonaro and Macri... the walking definition of useful idiots.

Or how they've baited the Indians into false pretenses of imperial ascension, to their detriment? Howdy Modi.

The Empire is kicking live and well. Only fools fail to see it in action.

I bet if it was Russia who made this pronouncement the Americunts would be bitching 24/7 about how Russia is being so aggressive. But when America does it apparently its okay

Cybercom mulls aggressive tactics if Russia interferes in next election: report

The U.S. is working on information warfare tactics that could be used to counter possible Russian interference in the 2020 election, The Washington Post reported Wednesday, citing current and former officials.

The U.S. Cyber Command (CyberCom) is mulling one strategy that would go after top Russian officials and elites to demonstrate that their personal information could be hit if interference continues, according to The Post.

The officials reportedly said that Russian president Vladimir Putin would likely not be a target because that would be too provocative.

The Post reported that last month that an intelligence community report found that Russia's top goal for its 2020 operations would be to sow discord in the U.S.

“It’s always been about exacerbating fault lines in our society,” one official told the newspaper.

The Hill has reached out to CyberCom and the Defense Department for comment.

The reported tactics would build upon past efforts. The New York Times reported last year that the U.S. was conducting cyber operations meant to prevent interference in the 2018 midterm election.

The Washington Post has previously reported that CyberCom officials have said they were able to block internet access for a major Russian troll farm on Election Day.

Former special counsel Robert Mueller's team determined earlier this year that Russia aimed to help President Trump win the 2016 presidential election. The team did not find that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia.

Yeah, these amazing US intel agencies that are all powerful and know exactly what the Russians are up to... they are like British Politicians... no evidence but because it is what we would do in their shoes it is highly likely and therefore proven fact...

If the Democratic DNC wont even allow the FBI access to their servers to determine if there was any actual hacking done, so the FBI just assume there was because how else could any information get off a server right... I mean a server is something most users of the entire computer network attached to it have regular access to, so the chances of anyone managing to get information off that server without hacking is zero... but with a one in front and then that zero and then another zero percent... you know.... 100%.

Democratic leadership told the world their little election to decide who would run for president was rigged and that Hilary was always going to win because she basically funded the democratic party... now the DMC is made up of Hilary supporters and Bernie supporters... what are the chances of those Bernie supporters digging up all the dirt they can find on Hilary and handing it over to all the newspaper companies in the US like the NYT and the Washington Post, and also Wikileaks... the funny thing there is that Wikileaks got branded the devil incarnate, while those two respected US newspapers are clearly made of Teflon because nothing stuck for them.

I am no genius, but soon after they started jumping up and down about hackers... but even mentioning that there was no actual evidence but that it was just highly likely because they are Russian and that is what they would do... mainly because that is what we would do if we were in the same position (for those not following that is not actually logical and with no actual evidence to prove would not hold up in any court of law outside the US or UK) I realised it was pretty obvious that a disgruntled employee seeing this bold faced corruption and bullshit where Hilary won an election nomination unfairly... how can you let that cow be president?

But that has never happened before, right?

I mean Manning and Snowden and Assange just did it for all the money they made right... they weren't disgruntled westerners disgusted at the ignorance and empty pathetic waste the media in the west have become... but the US government started that decades ago... print what we say and be nice or you wont get access and will have no story to print at all... theres a good dog... and they have become little bitches ever since... none of them have mentioned lack of evidence, none of them even consider alternative possibilities... they are the real problem... but not for Russia... they are the problem for the west.

RAND deep state think tank openly calling for acts of war against Russia under funding by the US Army:



https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf

Of course those courses of action are nothing but what US has been doing for a long while. At some time a harsh response may come and some Western retards may wonder why is Russia behaving so aggressively... long overdue if you ask me.

kvs wrote:1) Support the Nazi regime in Ukraine aka Banderastan in its quest to exterminate the ethnic Russians in Donbass and Lugansk.

2) Increase support for jihadi terrorists in Syria.   Hope they don't blow up another public landmark in the USA like the World Trade Center.

3) Try to install a minority aligned Nazi regime in Belorus such as in Ukraine.   Help it oppress the majority of those devil Russians.

4) Support the ethno-fascist regime in Georgia to attempt to grab South Ossetia and Abkhazia.   Because we only care about
territorial integrity when it serves our agenda.  Elsewhere such as in Serbia and Russia we promote secessionists.

5) Try to undermine Russian trade links with its near abroad and install regimes that will be hostile to Russia.

6) Try to install another quisling regime in Moldova that does not represent the majority but licks our balls and fellates our penis.

Best of all is that in the document they justify all that hell breaking loose as "non violent" measures

At least they are stupid enough to be open about their war mongering and lack of morals or ethics.

Funding terrorists, and simply trying to damage an economic rival though violence and destroying small countries to do so... we don't give a shit about Syrian people and what they want... we just want Russia out.

These are the organisations that bleet... but what about the women and children... wait what... I thought women are equal... why should they avoid suffering... don't they want to be treated like men?

Or is it just when it suits their interests... like America....

kvs wrote:

LMFS wrote:RAND deep state think tank openly calling for acts of war against Russia under funding by the US Army:



https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf

Of course those courses of action are nothing but what US has been doing for a long while. At some time a harsh response may come and some Western retards may wonder why is Russia behaving so aggressively... long overdue if you ask me.

1) Support the Nazi regime in Ukraine aka Banderastan in its quest to exterminate the ethnic Russians in Donbass and Lugansk.

2) Increase support for jihadi terrorists in Syria.   Hope they don't blow up another public landmark in the USA like the World Trade Center.

3) Try to install a minority aligned Nazi regime in Belorus such as in Ukraine.   Help it oppress the majority of those devil Russians.

4) Support the ethno-fascist regime in Georgia to attempt to grab South Ossetia and Abkhazia.   Because we only care about
territorial integrity when it serves our agenda.  Elsewhere such as in Serbia and Russia we promote secessionists.

5) Try to undermine Russian trade links with its near abroad and install regimes that will be hostile to Russia.

6) Try to install another quisling regime in Moldova that does not represent the majority but licks our balls and fellates our penis.

When will Russia hit back and hit hard?

Which president do you guys think will be better for Russia-US relations? Trump or Biden?

I think it does not matter who comes because they will just be a puppet.

It's a damn good thing Russia now figured out not to listen to the USA. That seems to be in effect with Belarus too.

Which president do you guys think will be better for Russia-US relations? Trump or Biden?

I think it does not matter who comes because they will just be a puppet.

On paper Trump has said many times he wants to work with Russia, but sadly he is an idiot and is easily manipulated because he likes to appear to be the tough guy... the smart guy... so after saying America needs to work together with Russia to get things done, the democrats simply painted him as Putins puppet, and he has been over reacting and pushing Russia away hard ever since to prove he is not... which is exactly what the democrats want because they know if they are fighting Russia everything will just be so much harder.

I remember during the cold war if you asked which party was best for the Soviets I would have said the Republicans, because they were hard core anti commies and pro war so if they did a deal with the Soviets you knew it wasn't selling the US out. The Democrats used to be anti war... but that changed when they realised how much money could be made destroying countries and then getting the juicy contracts to rebuild them.

In many ways the democrats and republicans have merged in most areas... except I would say a few minor ways like abortions and death penalties... the amusing thing as you get older is that you see each get the chance to solve all the problems and the problems remain the same and just get slowly worse no matter which party holds power... and democracy creates splinter groups but usually tiny groups that are totally ineffectual most of the time... and the vast majority of time there is no power or authority holding them to their promises, and as we have seen with Trump... in the back ground and all through their government structures it is all political dem or rep, so winning the oval office does not give you control... there are always parts of the government that can say no and do say no. There are parts of the community with lots of money that also have far too much to say because of their use of that money... I would say most of the intel community of the US is controlled by the democrats and that has been used against Trump this time, yet strangely not against the Clintons for screwing Sanders in the last election.... Sanders would have beaten trump, but after getting screwed Sanders turned like a bitch and supported Clinton like a pussy so in fact I am glad he got screwed. I rather suspect they threatened him and his family if he didn't endorse Hilary, but why would you want such a man as president... for all his lofty ideals and morals... they are clearly not worth fighting for... instead of investigating Trump to see if he is a Russian plant, they should have been investigating dirty Hillary and the Clinton foundation... when is that money donated for Haiti going to reach those people? Countries around the world donated large sums of money to the Clinton Foundation... but that stopped when Hilary lost the election... I wonder what that was all about?

Of course the closets in the Clinton mansion are full of skeletons... literally, but Trump owns thousand bed hotels... think how many closets he has...

Neither really, Russia and USA will never have good relations they can be at best "Workable".

The irony is that the west was happy to cooperate with Stalin, but it just isn't in their interests to cooperate now...

How will Russia, react to a Biden victory. Pepe Esobar thinks that it is going to be more wars.


https://thesaker.is/a-dem-presidency-means-the-return-of-the-blob/

par far wrote:How will Russia, react to a Biden victory. Pepe Esobar thinks that it is going to be more wars.


https://thesaker.is/a-dem-presidency-means-the-return-of-the-blob/

Probably.

Russia will bunker down and start preparing itself for any kind of nonsense. Hence why all the changes to the constitution along with new bills passing that more or less protects Russia from outside interference.

The next logical move will be for Russia to start going after its useless allies who are nothing more than a burden.

Russia has no influence over US elections despite what the Democrats claim when they lose.

It used to be that the Republicans were the war mongers and the Democrats were the peaceniks, but then 50 years ago the Clintons would be Republicans...

Russia will deal with who ever the Americans put into office... most of the time they actually have a better relationship... hostile but clearly understood... with the republicans because most of the time it was accepted that the Republicans don't like the Soviets so any deal must benefit the US, so agreements were more trustworthy if negotiated by the republicans, but these days there are no real levels of trust to bother starting negotiations to start with.

"Russia under Putin poses an existential threat to the United States and other countries of the West, Russia’s neighbors, and his own people. Biden seems to understand that, not least because he has been the target of Russian interference in the 2020 election, including a disinformation campaign tied to Russia that was designed to smear him and his son Hunter."


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/13/biden-putin-russia/

Russia under Putin poses an existential threat to the United States and other countries of the West

America needs to stop whining and start a war against Russia already.

A successful repelling of a NATO invasion force will be a convenient excuse to liberate Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics and incorporate these regions back to the Russian Federation.

PhSt wrote:

Russia under Putin poses an existential threat to the United States and other countries of the West

America needs to stop whining and start a war against Russia already.

A successful repelling of a NATO invasion force will be a convenient excuse to liberate Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics and incorporate these regions back to the Russian Federation.

I don't think Russia needs all of Ukraine, just their ports or all of what ones was Novorossiya and Belarus.

As for the Baltics, i don't think those Moochers would be healthy for Russia.

AlfaT8 wrote:

PhSt wrote:

Russia under Putin poses an existential threat to the United States and other countries of the West

America needs to stop whining and start a war against Russia already.

A successful repelling of a NATO invasion force will be a convenient excuse to liberate Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics and incorporate these regions back to the Russian Federation.

I don't think Russia needs all of Ukraine, just their ports or all of what ones was Novorossiya and Belarus.

As for the Baltics, i don't think those Moochers would be healthy for Russia.

Concerning the lack of love for Russia of a big part of the population even in the southeast of the ukraine... i do ot know if it would be worth... of you really need I would say the best it would be to give them romenian, polish and bulgarian passports, a one way ticket and wish them well