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The Situation in the Ukraine. #5
arpakola- Posts : 1510
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- Post n°77
Oleg Lyashko, Ukranian far right MP choked and dumped in the Rada
arpakola Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:57 pm
Oleg Lyashko, Ukranian far right MP choked and dumped in the Rada
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medo wrote:I think you all make to harsh criticism against Putin. He already show, that he can strike quickly and suddenly as well that he can wait, when it is needed. It's not only about Ukraine, it's about US empire. You forgot few very important things. At the beginning of Olympic games in Sochi, there was very important meeting between Putin and president of China Xi Jinping and they have long discus. US impose a new cold war against both, Russia and China and do everything, that BRICS group could not be successful. Russia and China have a common strategy against US, which means, first target is US Dollar and US economy. The fall of US economy also means the fall of US military might. This strategy need both China and Russia wait with any war or confrontation, until their money bomb work against USD and US economy and sanctions against Russia push this process in motion. That is exactly why US want to push Russia in war in Ukraine, that this strike against US economy could not work because of war. This is a difference. US want war now, Russia and China could go in war later, when US economy goes down and China become the largest economy on Earth. Putin coordinate his moves with Xi Jinping and this process is now becoming global.
There is also one interesting thing. I read some rumors, but could be true, that Saudi Arabia find out, that Saudi gold reserves in London were stolen (and most probably sold) and this make a change in mind in Saudi Arabia and they now don't see the West as friendly as before. What could indicate, that this could be real is some changes in KSA politics. There was no terrorist attacks in Sochi Olympic games and now KSA pay for Egypt's and Pakistan's weapons deals with Russia. KSA is not exactly a Russian friend, but it was China who talk with Saudis and after big Russia-China gas deal, there were some indications, that Saudi Arabia could also start selling its oil in Juans. Process also go in direction, that all BRICS members will make payments in national currencies and not through London or New York financial centers, but through their BRICS banks and financial centers as Shanghai and Beijing. This will be a major blow for US Dollar and US economy.
A big process is now happening in behind, so it is good for Russia to wait for some time with Ukraine. This process could last for few years, but after it, Ukraine will be on silver plate and West will not be able to do anything.
This is the strategy, working the tactics in between is also important.
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Ukraine's new leader stands up to Moscow over Crimea and Europe
2.
Petro Poroshenko is sworn in as president of Ukraine
I'm really tying to be optimistic here. I really am.
But this triumphant jubilation by western media, and the apparent defeatism in Russian media makes me feel ANGRY
Ukraine's new leader stands up to Moscow over Crimea and Europe
Reuters (full article)Reuters wrote:(Reuters) - Ukraine's new president Petro Poroshenko said his country would never give up Crimea and would not compromise on its path towards closer ties with Europe, spelling out a defiant message to Russia in his inaugural speech on Saturday.
2.
Petro Poroshenko is sworn in as president of Ukraine
ITAR-TASS(full article)Tass wrote:The ceremony features 56 foreign delegations, where 23 countries are represented by their heads Macedonian puppet/traitor also present, my emphases, prime ministers, parliament speakers and heals of international organisations. Russia is represented by its Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov.
I'm really tying to be optimistic here. I really am.
But this triumphant jubilation by western media, and the apparent defeatism in Russian media makes me feel ANGRY
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macedonian wrote:medo wrote:I think you all make to harsh criticism against Putin. He already show, that he can strike quickly and suddenly as well that he can wait, when it is needed. It's not only about Ukraine, it's about US empire. You forgot few very important things. At the beginning of Olympic games in Sochi, there was very important meeting between Putin and president of China Xi Jinping and they have long discus. US impose a new cold war against both, Russia and China and do everything, that BRICS group could not be successful. Russia and China have a common strategy against US, which means, first target is US Dollar and US economy. The fall of US economy also means the fall of US military might. This strategy need both China and Russia wait with any war or confrontation, until their money bomb work against USD and US economy and sanctions against Russia push this process in motion. That is exactly why US want to push Russia in war in Ukraine, that this strike against US economy could not work because of war. This is a difference. US want war now, Russia and China could go in war later, when US economy goes down and China become the largest economy on Earth. Putin coordinate his moves with Xi Jinping and this process is now becoming global.
There is also one interesting thing. I read some rumors, but could be true, that Saudi Arabia find out, that Saudi gold reserves in London were stolen (and most probably sold) and this make a change in mind in Saudi Arabia and they now don't see the West as friendly as before. What could indicate, that this could be real is some changes in KSA politics. There was no terrorist attacks in Sochi Olympic games and now KSA pay for Egypt's and Pakistan's weapons deals with Russia. KSA is not exactly a Russian friend, but it was China who talk with Saudis and after big Russia-China gas deal, there were some indications, that Saudi Arabia could also start selling its oil in Juans. Process also go in direction, that all BRICS members will make payments in national currencies and not through London or New York financial centers, but through their BRICS banks and financial centers as Shanghai and Beijing. This will be a major blow for US Dollar and US economy.
A big process is now happening in behind, so it is good for Russia to wait for some time with Ukraine. This process could last for few years, but after it, Ukraine will be on silver plate and West will not be able to do anything.
Medo bratu, kaj sem rekel to FP, I say to you as well: I honestly hope that you're right!
I've explained all of my doubts in my previous post, no need to repeat them here. As I've explained why I feel the way I do.
No one could now denied, that this process is now in motion and it will work as US have a large debt and China have large reserves and is the largest US debtor. But the process need time to work, so patience is needed. That is why China and Russia for now need to avoid confrontations and wars. The only US power is in printing worthless Dollars, which have its worth until the whole World trade with them. When they could no more print money, that US economy balloon will blow up with all consequences. US military might will very quickly go down with broken economy. No money to buy new stuff, no money for maintenance, no money to pay for bases around the World, etc. How it works we have seen in Russian army in nineties after USSR collapse. Army was very ineffective without money.
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macedonian wrote:medo wrote:I think you all make to harsh criticism against Putin. He already show, that he can strike quickly and suddenly as well that he can wait, when it is needed. It's not only about Ukraine, it's about US empire. You forgot few very important things. At the beginning of Olympic games in Sochi, there was very important meeting between Putin and president of China Xi Jinping and they have long discus. US impose a new cold war against both, Russia and China and do everything, that BRICS group could not be successful. Russia and China have a common strategy against US, which means, first target is US Dollar and US economy. The fall of US economy also means the fall of US military might. This strategy need both China and Russia wait with any war or confrontation, until their money bomb work against USD and US economy and sanctions against Russia push this process in motion. That is exactly why US want to push Russia in war in Ukraine, that this strike against US economy could not work because of war. This is a difference. US want war now, Russia and China could go in war later, when US economy goes down and China become the largest economy on Earth. Putin coordinate his moves with Xi Jinping and this process is now becoming global.
There is also one interesting thing. I read some rumors, but could be true, that Saudi Arabia find out, that Saudi gold reserves in London were stolen (and most probably sold) and this make a change in mind in Saudi Arabia and they now don't see the West as friendly as before. What could indicate, that this could be real is some changes in KSA politics. There was no terrorist attacks in Sochi Olympic games and now KSA pay for Egypt's and Pakistan's weapons deals with Russia. KSA is not exactly a Russian friend, but it was China who talk with Saudis and after big Russia-China gas deal, there were some indications, that Saudi Arabia could also start selling its oil in Juans. Process also go in direction, that all BRICS members will make payments in national currencies and not through London or New York financial centers, but through their BRICS banks and financial centers as Shanghai and Beijing. This will be a major blow for US Dollar and US economy.
A big process is now happening in behind, so it is good for Russia to wait for some time with Ukraine. This process could last for few years, but after it, Ukraine will be on silver plate and West will not be able to do anything.
Medo bratu, kaj sem rekel to FP, I say to you as well: I honestly hope that you're right!
I've explained all of my doubts in my previous post, no need to repeat them here. As I've explained why I feel the way I do.
(just an emotional video fr my "Macedonian" friend..
I guess many in Moscow prefer to deal with Poroshenko rather then Gubarev spesialy after the release of his speach in front of the portraits of Putin and << CHAVES>>
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macedonian wrote:1.
Ukraine's new leader stands up to Moscow over Crimea and EuropeReuters (full article)Reuters wrote:(Reuters) - Ukraine's new president Petro Poroshenko said his country would never give up Crimea and would not compromise on its path towards closer ties with Europe, spelling out a defiant message to Russia in his inaugural speech on Saturday.
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Petro Poroshenko is sworn in as president of UkraineITAR-TASS(full article)Tass wrote:The ceremony features 56 foreign delegations, where 23 countries are represented by their heads Macedonian puppet/traitor also present, my emphases, prime ministers, parliament speakers and heals of international organisations. Russia is represented by its Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov.
I'm really tying to be optimistic here. I really am.
But this triumphant jubilation by western media, and the apparent defeatism in Russian media makes me feel ANGRY
Yes, seems like NATO likes to build up their "Pinochet..." err I mean their "Papier-mâché men" Napoleon Porkyshenko...
...All for the empire...
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Ukraine parliament is by far the most entertainment parliament in the world.. Watching one session without a fist fight is rare.
Now members being strangled in cameras..
if they all had guns ,long time ago ,you will have seen trenches
inside the parliament..
About Ukraine is a failed state. Without the financial and political support of USA , ukraine will have collapsed long time ago.
But still Obama will not be able to save them. Having a country .. is like having a business. If your business goes bankrupt people
will leave and move to a better place. So all Putin needs to do ,to Kick NATO from Ukraine is to wait Ukraine economy collapse on its own.
They not even have Gas for Winter ,and needs to pay a debt of $3.5 US Billions dollars to Russia. Then they do not have the income of
Crimea ,neither its Rent , and neither they have the income of Rebels regions. And the the ukraine army operations is sucking their remaining budget. With their un-constructive aptitude against the Rebels ,calling them Terrorist.. and its army bombing civilians
is not going to help. So the way i see it.. unnecessary lives wasted and Ukraine conflict will end overnight if more Ukrainians go to the streets
and protest against the Government in all cities and demand end of the War and start of negotiations with Rebels and Russia.
Now members being strangled in cameras..
if they all had guns ,long time ago ,you will have seen trenches inside the parliament..
About Ukraine is a failed state. Without the financial and political support of USA , ukraine will have collapsed long time ago.
But still Obama will not be able to save them. Having a country .. is like having a business. If your business goes bankrupt people
will leave and move to a better place. So all Putin needs to do ,to Kick NATO from Ukraine is to wait Ukraine economy collapse on its own.
They not even have Gas for Winter ,and needs to pay a debt of $3.5 US Billions dollars to Russia. Then they do not have the income of
Crimea ,neither its Rent , and neither they have the income of Rebels regions. And the the ukraine army operations is sucking their remaining budget. With their un-constructive aptitude against the Rebels ,calling them Terrorist.. and its army bombing civilians
is not going to help. So the way i see it.. unnecessary lives wasted and Ukraine conflict will end overnight if more Ukrainians go to the streets
and protest against the Government in all cities and demand end of the War and start of negotiations with Rebels and Russia.
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macedonian wrote:medo wrote:I think you all make to harsh criticism against Putin. He already show, that he can strike quickly and suddenly as well that he can wait, when it is needed. It's not only about Ukraine, it's about US empire. You forgot few very important things. At the beginning of Olympic games in Sochi, there was very important meeting between Putin and president of China Xi Jinping and they have long discus. US impose a new cold war against both, Russia and China and do everything, that BRICS group could not be successful. Russia and China have a common strategy against US, which means, first target is US Dollar and US economy. The fall of US economy also means the fall of US military might. This strategy need both China and Russia wait with any war or confrontation, until their money bomb work against USD and US economy and sanctions against Russia push this process in motion. That is exactly why US want to push Russia in war in Ukraine, that this strike against US economy could not work because of war. This is a difference. US want war now, Russia and China could go in war later, when US economy goes down and China become the largest economy on Earth. Putin coordinate his moves with Xi Jinping and this process is now becoming global.
There is also one interesting thing. I read some rumors, but could be true, that Saudi Arabia find out, that Saudi gold reserves in London were stolen (and most probably sold) and this make a change in mind in Saudi Arabia and they now don't see the West as friendly as before. What could indicate, that this could be real is some changes in KSA politics. There was no terrorist attacks in Sochi Olympic games and now KSA pay for Egypt's and Pakistan's weapons deals with Russia. KSA is not exactly a Russian friend, but it was China who talk with Saudis and after big Russia-China gas deal, there were some indications, that Saudi Arabia could also start selling its oil in Juans. Process also go in direction, that all BRICS members will make payments in national currencies and not through London or New York financial centers, but through their BRICS banks and financial centers as Shanghai and Beijing. This will be a major blow for US Dollar and US economy.
A big process is now happening in behind, so it is good for Russia to wait for some time with Ukraine. This process could last for few years, but after it, Ukraine will be on silver plate and West will not be able to do anything.
Medo bratu, kaj sem rekel to FP, I say to you as well: I honestly hope that you're right!
I've explained all of my doubts in my previous post, no need to repeat them here. As I've explained why I feel the way I do.
They can surgar coat anything they like. Simple point is, many Russian's do not want to admit that they are looking very weak right now. And that Putin is a stupid **** of a leader who is allowing his people to die, all the while appeasing to the west (regardless if they are pushing Russia even more afterwards) and being main target of blame. And now Poroshenko is saying he will obtain Crimea again? Only way he can do that is by killing more Russians and invading Crimea, which he cannot do, but US will probably do for him. Will Putin do nothing then? Probably, because he is a coward piece of shit.
I hope someone more competent will step in, then execute Putin, and then send a glonass guided bomb to Kiev.
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sepheronx wrote:They can surgar coat anything they like. Simple point is, many Russian's do not want to admit that they are looking very weak right now. And that Putin is a stupid **** of a leader who is allowing his people to die, all the while appeasing to the west (regardless if they are pushing Russia even more afterwards) and being main target of blame. And now Poroshenko is saying he will obtain Crimea again? Only way he can do that is by killing more Russians and invading Crimea, which he cannot do, but US will probably do for him. Will Putin do nothing then? Probably, because he is a coward piece of shit.
You take it too much emotionally on happenings in Ukraine. Do you know what is a difference between hurrying in war now and following your strategy and go in war in proper time? Many millions of dead people. Russia lost too many people in WW2, so no need to hurry in WW3 in a trap placed by US. You have to remember, this is between Russia and US, not between Russia and Ukraine. Poroshenko will be forced to start negotiations with eastern Ukraine as well as with Russia, because Ukrainian economy is collapsing and could not survive without Russia and eastern Ukraine. Turchinov lead CTO in the east didn't bring results, only alienate regions. We will see what Poroshenko will do in coming days and weeks. Will he continue with military operations or will actually start with negotiations. Talk is cheap, but actions are important. Time is not his ally and time is also not an American ally.
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Is your water supply poisoned guys?
You act like lunatics want putin to be executed while not knowing anything what is happening in shadows. Just ridiculous.
You act like lunatics want putin to be executed while not knowing anything what is happening in shadows. Just ridiculous.
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The hilarious things is, these guys all were raving about Putin before, and now because he wont get entangled in an idiotic and chaotic situation, he needs to be executed.
lol!
lol!
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http://www.trust.org/item/20140607131308-r4qws/?source=shtw
. BERLIN, June 7 (Reuters) - German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier urged Ukraine's government on Saturday to exercise caution in using military force against pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country.
"The result of military operations in eastern Ukraine must not be to give more impetus to the separatists," Steinmeier told Tagesspiegel am Sonntag newspaper in extracts released on Saturday, the same day a new president was inaugurated in Kiev.
In such a tense situation, he added, it would be "smart to be cautious in the deployment of military force and have a sense of proportion".
Steinmeier also said Russia's behaviour in the conflict had "noticeably changed", a comment that appeared to strike a new tone in emphasising the importance of both Kiev and Moscow taking responsibility for a de-escalation.
Germany has repeatedly called on the Kremlin to help stabilise Ukraine following Russia's annexation of Crimea in March and a standoff in eastern Ukraine between government forces and pro-Russian separatists.
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TR1 wrote:The hilarious things is, these guys all were raving about Putin before, and now because he wont get entangled in an idiotic and chaotic situation, he needs to be executed.
lol!
The higher u rise the lower u fall
And there is no lower then to let your people murdered and suffer
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http://www.imgmlp.com/images/2014/06/07/c2ef5d04-f145-40d2-843a-f32ca059a034.jpg
OK... Warning. ...Dead body on the foto !!!
The car Maxim Petrukhin was in
So... Are they going to party in Kremlin tonight.?
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arpakola wrote:
http://www.trust.org/item/20140607131308-r4qws/?source=shtw
. BERLIN, June 7 (Reuters) - German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier urged Ukraine's government on Saturday to exercise caution in using military force against pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country.
"The result of military operations in eastern Ukraine must not be to give more impetus to the separatists," Steinmeier told Tagesspiegel am Sonntag newspaper in extracts released on Saturday, the same day a new president was inaugurated in Kiev.
In such a tense situation, he added, it would be "smart to be cautious in the deployment of military force and have a sense of proportion".
Steinmeier also said Russia's behaviour in the conflict had "noticeably changed", a comment that appeared to strike a new tone in emphasising the importance of both Kiev and Moscow taking responsibility for a de-escalation.
Germany has repeatedly called on the Kremlin to help stabilise Ukraine following Russia's annexation of Crimea in March and a standoff in eastern Ukraine between government forces and pro-Russian separatists.
Off topic for a moment.
Merkel thanked the allied leaders which took mark at the D-day anniversary for the contribution of their nations!
How pathetically submissive is that!! It makes me want to through out. Thanking your opponent for beating you!
I thought that Greece was submissive
And this shit of a nation Putin takes seriously gosh
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arpakola wrote:TR1 wrote:The hilarious things is, these guys all were raving about Putin before, and now because he wont get entangled in an idiotic and chaotic situation, he needs to be executed.
lol!
The higher u rise the lower u fall
And there is no lower then to let your people murdered and suffer
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http://www.imgmlp.com/images/2014/06/07/c2ef5d04-f145-40d2-843a-f32ca059a034.jpg
The car Maxim Petrukhin was in
So... Are they going to party in Kremlin tonight.?
?
http://euobserver.com/foreign/124498
Germany backs France on Russia warship contract
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So what ... what are they going to do with it..
Dock it. in Sevastopol and watch it?
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the Donetsk forces will need to give body guards to all their leadership ..
NATO western agencies should have assassinations team against all of them.
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What do you guys think of these?
With Group of 7 Backing, Obama Gives Russia One-Month Ukraine Deadline
With Group of 7 Backing, Obama Gives Russia One-Month Ukraine Deadline
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Viktor wrote:What do you guys think of these?
With Group of 7 Backing, Obama Gives Russia One-Month Ukraine Deadline
Nothing to worry about. EU will still need Russian oil and gas, only payment will be different (gold, Ruble, Juan).
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Arpakola, do you do this on purpose!? Why do you STILL post graphic images??!
You are active every day, are you going to say you haven't read this?!
https://www.russiadefence.net/t3213-graphic-images-videos
Please, be kind and delete the graphic images in posts 1080 and 1082, and from now on be kind and NOT post this kind of graphic grotesque stuff again here, otherwise i will be forced to file a formal complaint against you to the forum Moderators. Thanks.
You are active every day, are you going to say you haven't read this?!
https://www.russiadefence.net/t3213-graphic-images-videos
Please, be kind and delete the graphic images in posts 1080 and 1082, and from now on be kind and NOT post this kind of graphic grotesque stuff again here, otherwise i will be forced to file a formal complaint against you to the forum Moderators. Thanks.
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Viktor wrote:What do you guys think of these?
With Group of 7 Backing, Obama Gives Russia One-Month Ukraine Deadline
The more rf chickens the more they push
OK if don't want Russia they may not have it. F.. The mistral hotel boat deal
Russia can also produse its own optics..
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Viktor wrote:What do you guys think of these?
With Group of 7 Backing, Obama Gives Russia One-Month Ukraine Deadline
The Ape gives Russia one month deadline for what exactly?
To throw out american government ordered Blackwater,Academi and Greystone mercenaries out of ukraine?
The West can only talk shit all day long, they said they have proof that Russia is involved, never showed those "evidences", they said they have evidence that Assad has used Sarin, was proven to be done by terrorists with Turkish help to orchester a False Flag Operation, those empirial scum waved around with a tube with backingpowerd and claimed that is the proof that Sadam has Chemical WMD's.
Russia should capture every single American,Israeli,Brit, German,French and whatever terrorist scum is working for fascist and shame them publically and give them a trial on american based law, Gitmo like prison, but such a prison russia must build first to match it in quality and quantity of torture and any international rights abusement.
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mack8 wrote:Arpakola, do you do this on purpose!? Why do you STILL post graphic images??!
You are active every day, are you going to say you haven't read this?!
https://www.russiadefence.net/t3213-graphic-images-videos
Please, be kind and delete the graphic images in posts 1080 and 1082, and from now on be kind and NOT post this kind of graphic grotesque stuff again here, otherwise i will be forced to file a formal complaint against you to the forum Moderators. Thanks.
OK but I guess its not too hard images for someone in military forum