Supply ships are just has important as combat ships.
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Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships
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It's a good supply ship tho they need to build many more of these for all their fleets.
Supply ships are just has important as combat ships.
Supply ships are just has important as combat ships.
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Those are not fleet replenisher or logistic support ships.
They are nutshells, displacing like small corvettes, whose mission is to move ordnance to Navy's bases and from base's depots to warships anchored in the harbour.
More than one or at most two for each major naval bases is not needed.
They are nutshells, displacing like small corvettes, whose mission is to move ordnance to Navy's bases and from base's depots to warships anchored in the harbour.
More than one or at most two for each major naval bases is not needed.
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Proekt (project) 23120 Arctic auxiliary ship Elbrus is officially transferred to the Northern Fleet (SF) (N.B. Some 3.5 years behind schedule)
https://forpost-sz.ru/a/2018-04-09/severnaya-verf-peredala-novoe-sudno-ehlbrus-vmf
https://forpost-sz.ru/a/2018-04-09/severnaya-verf-peredala-novoe-sudno-ehlbrus-vmf
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A new boat of the Raptor type was launched
As reported on April 11, 2018, JSC "Leningrad Shipyard Pella" (Otradnoe, Leningrad region), it carried out the launch of the next built for the Russian Navy "patrol boat" project 03160 (code "Raptor") with the building number 714. It is reported that, that after completion of the necessary tests, the boat will be handed over to the State Customer and incorporated into the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation.
This is the first boat of the project 03160, built by the Pella plant in 2018, and the sixth, built under the contract for the construction of eight boats of this type, concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry in May 2016. Earlier, two boats for this contract P-415 and P-425 (building numbers 709 and 711) were launched at Pella in December 2016 and joined the Black Sea Fleet on May 8, 2017, and two more P-413 boats were lowered on December 14, 2016) and P-345 (building number 712, launched on May 30, 2017) were transferred to the Baltic Fleet. Another boat (building number 713) was launched on August 24, 2017 and is planned to be put into the Caspian Flotilla.
Earlier, under the previous contract in 2014, the Pella plant passed to the Ministry of Defense of Russia eight project 03160 vessels during 2015 - four planned for the 2014 program, and four for the 2015 program. Of these boats, seven (building numbers from 701 to 705 and from 707 to 708) are officially listed as part of the Russian Navy counter-sabotage boats. In fact, according to known data, these boats are used in fleets as part of naval reconnaissance points for special purposes. Of these, two boats (P-280 and P-281, the corresponding building numbers 705 and 704) are part of the Baltic Fleet, based on Kronstadt, and the remaining five (P-274, P-275, P-276, P-838, P-845) - are part of the Black Sea Fleet, based on Novorossiysk and Sevastopol.
Another cutter of project 03160 P-344 with building number 706, commissioned in August 2015, was built in the form of a communications boat - in fact, as a traveling boat for VIP transport. Formally considered to be part of the Baltic Fleet, the P-344 boat is permanently moored at the DBR-481 berthing berth complex-project 02590 of the National Defense Management Center of the Russian Federation on the Frunzenskaya Embankment of the Moskva River, and, apparently, is used as a personal patrol boat by the Minister of Defense Russia. As a traveling boat for VIP transportation, the above mentioned P-413 boat was completed.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3158563.html
As reported on April 11, 2018, JSC "Leningrad Shipyard Pella" (Otradnoe, Leningrad region), it carried out the launch of the next built for the Russian Navy "patrol boat" project 03160 (code "Raptor") with the building number 714. It is reported that, that after completion of the necessary tests, the boat will be handed over to the State Customer and incorporated into the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation.
This is the first boat of the project 03160, built by the Pella plant in 2018, and the sixth, built under the contract for the construction of eight boats of this type, concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry in May 2016. Earlier, two boats for this contract P-415 and P-425 (building numbers 709 and 711) were launched at Pella in December 2016 and joined the Black Sea Fleet on May 8, 2017, and two more P-413 boats were lowered on December 14, 2016) and P-345 (building number 712, launched on May 30, 2017) were transferred to the Baltic Fleet. Another boat (building number 713) was launched on August 24, 2017 and is planned to be put into the Caspian Flotilla.
Earlier, under the previous contract in 2014, the Pella plant passed to the Ministry of Defense of Russia eight project 03160 vessels during 2015 - four planned for the 2014 program, and four for the 2015 program. Of these boats, seven (building numbers from 701 to 705 and from 707 to 708) are officially listed as part of the Russian Navy counter-sabotage boats. In fact, according to known data, these boats are used in fleets as part of naval reconnaissance points for special purposes. Of these, two boats (P-280 and P-281, the corresponding building numbers 705 and 704) are part of the Baltic Fleet, based on Kronstadt, and the remaining five (P-274, P-275, P-276, P-838, P-845) - are part of the Black Sea Fleet, based on Novorossiysk and Sevastopol.
Another cutter of project 03160 P-344 with building number 706, commissioned in August 2015, was built in the form of a communications boat - in fact, as a traveling boat for VIP transport. Formally considered to be part of the Baltic Fleet, the P-344 boat is permanently moored at the DBR-481 berthing berth complex-project 02590 of the National Defense Management Center of the Russian Federation on the Frunzenskaya Embankment of the Moskva River, and, apparently, is used as a personal patrol boat by the Minister of Defense Russia. As a traveling boat for VIP transportation, the above mentioned P-413 boat was completed.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3158563.html
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2nd Pr.18280 Russian intelligence gathering ship Ivan Khurs has completed shipbuilder's sea trial in the Baltic today. MoD testing to commence mid-May 2018.
Relatively recent sea trials images.
http://www.nordsy.spb.ru/pressroom/17806/
https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/989973113000644608
Relatively recent sea trials images.
http://www.nordsy.spb.ru/pressroom/17806/
https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/989973113000644608
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The first "Grachonok" for Rosgvardia was laid
On May 15, 2018, the ceremony of laying the first special-purpose boat (anti-sabotage boat) of project 21980 (code "Grachonok") with serial number 01225 for the Federal service of the troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (Rosgvardia) took part in the ceremony. Head of the Department for the Protection of Objects in the Waters of the State Directorate for the Protection of Objects of Rosgvardia, Rear Admiral Andrei Shataev.
At the end of 2017, Rosgvardia signed on a competitive basis with JSC Shipbuilding Plant Vympel a contract worth 4.1 billion rubles for the delivery of four anti-sabotage boats of Project 21980 for the military unit in the Crimea (Sevastopol). The delivery time for ships is November 1, 2019. Officially, the boats are designed "to carry out special tasks in the sphere of activity of the troops of the national guard of the Russian Federation", but were actually ordered by Rosgvardia to protect the Kerch bridge. This will be the first boat of the project 21980 as part of Rosgvardia.
On the bmpd side, we remind that at present there have been ordered 22 anti-sabotage boats of the project 21980 for the Russian Navy, of which 16 boats have been commissioned since 2010 (eight were built at JSC Zelenodolsky Plant named after AM Gorky in Zelenodolsk, four - to JSC "Shipyard" Vympel "in Rybinsk and JSC" Vostochnaya Verf "in Vladivostok). Of these 16 boats, six are in the Black Sea fleet, four - in the Northern and Pacific fleets, and one each - as part of the Baltic Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3199286.html
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Concern "RUSELPROM" has manufactured power plants for cable ships of Project 15310
Vessels of project 15310 - "Volga" and "Vyatka" are ocean-class cable-laying machines. They are designed for laying, lifting and repair of submarine fiber-optic cable communication lines, including, for conditions of the Far North. Previously, such vessels were not built in Russia, but were bought abroad. The development and manufacture of ships that will withstand severe arctic conditions will ensure stable communication and electrification of remote and hard-to-reach land areas.
A series of two cable ships of project 15310 are being built by the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. By order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy of the Russian Federation, the vessels were named "Volga" and "Vyatka". Both vessels were laid on January 6, 2015, the first is scheduled for delivery in 2018, and the second - for 2019.
The cable ships of Project 15310 have the following characteristics:
deadweight - about 8000 tons,
length - about 140 meters,
width - about 19 meters,
sediment - about 4 meters,
Autonomy of the course is about 50 days.
Vessels are equipped with a set of cable laying equipment that provides automated cable laying from the stern of the vessel and repair of the cable from the nose. There is also a set of equipment that provides and is involved in the process of cable laying in ice conditions. To store the cable to be laid, there are two main cable tents and two backup cables, the total weight of the cable being loaded reaches about 5500 tons.
The developed integrated system will combine all ship automation, including specialized mechanisms for laying the cable. It will also ensure the navigational safety of the ship. The features of the developed cable ship distinguish it from typical cable ships, in particular those offered by foreign companies, and give it the status of "unparalleled in its class"
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3201309.html
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The head hydrographic boat "Georgy Zima" project 23040G
On May 17, 2018, OAO Nizhny Novgorod Teplokhod Plant (the city of Bor of the Nizhny Novgorod Region) launched the ceremony of the head large hydrographic boat "Georgy Zima", project 23040G (factory number 1201) under construction for the Russian Navy. At the same time, the ceremony of putting out the second boat of this project "Alexander Evlanov" (serial number 1202) and the ceremonial laying of the third and fourth launches of the 23040G project Vladimir Kozitsky and Boris Slobodnik (factory numbers 1203 and 1204) were held from the enterprise's workshop and baptism.
OJSC "Zavod Nizhegorodskiy Teplokhod" in March 2016 signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the construction of six large hydro-graphic launches of the project 23040G, with delivery by the end of 2019. The first two boats with factory numbers 1201 and 1202, named "Georgy Zima" and "Alexander Yevlanov" in April 2018, were planted on August 16, 2016. Now the transfer of both boats to the fleet is scheduled for November 2018, they must be included in the Baltic Fleet. It should be noted that, apparently, the construction of boats is delayed in time, as it was initially claimed that the main boat should be handed over to the Navy within a year and a half since the signing of the contract.
The head boat was named in honor of Georgy Ivanovich Zima, captain of the 1st rank, head of the hydrographic department of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet in the Great Patriotic War.
The second boat "Alexander Evlanov" (serial number 1202) should be launched at the end of May 2018.
The project 23040G boat was developed by PKB Petrobalt LLC (St. Petersburg) and is the further development of raiding boats of the complex emergency rescue project 23040 for the Russian Navy Plant "Nizhny Novgorod Ship" for the Russian Navy. The enterprise has already built 16 boats for the Ministry of Defense of the complex rescue project 23040 (factory numbers from 1101 to 1116), surrendered in 2013-2015, and in March 2016 received a contract for the construction of six more boats for the Navy project 23040 (factory numbers from 1117 to 1122), the first two of them were delivered in July 2017, and two more RVK-1239 and RVK-1261 (factory numbers 1119 and 1120) were shipped from the plant also on May 17, 2018.
The large hydrographic boat of the project 23040G has a displacement of 153.7 tons empty, a total displacement of 192.7 tons, a longest length of 33.04 meters, a width of 6.8 meters and an average draft of 1.6 meters. The boat must be equipped with two diesel engines with a capacity of 248 kW and have a full speed of 12.7 knots.
The purpose of the boat is high-precision ground-based survey of the bottom relief and survey of navigational hazards at depths up to 400 meters and survey of the bottom relief by single-beam echosounder at depths up to 2000 meters; Maintenance of all types of floating warning signs (hereinafter referred to as "SCR"); setting / shooting of all types of PPZ up to 1.7 tons and length up to 6.5 meters; delivery of personnel, food, spare parts and repair brigades to the shore facilities of navigation equipment; navigation and hydrographic support of rescue and search operations; pilotage and leading of submarines and large-tonnage ships at the points of origin and approaches to them.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3202988.html
On May 17, 2018, OAO Nizhny Novgorod Teplokhod Plant (the city of Bor of the Nizhny Novgorod Region) launched the ceremony of the head large hydrographic boat "Georgy Zima", project 23040G (factory number 1201) under construction for the Russian Navy. At the same time, the ceremony of putting out the second boat of this project "Alexander Evlanov" (serial number 1202) and the ceremonial laying of the third and fourth launches of the 23040G project Vladimir Kozitsky and Boris Slobodnik (factory numbers 1203 and 1204) were held from the enterprise's workshop and baptism.
OJSC "Zavod Nizhegorodskiy Teplokhod" in March 2016 signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the construction of six large hydro-graphic launches of the project 23040G, with delivery by the end of 2019. The first two boats with factory numbers 1201 and 1202, named "Georgy Zima" and "Alexander Yevlanov" in April 2018, were planted on August 16, 2016. Now the transfer of both boats to the fleet is scheduled for November 2018, they must be included in the Baltic Fleet. It should be noted that, apparently, the construction of boats is delayed in time, as it was initially claimed that the main boat should be handed over to the Navy within a year and a half since the signing of the contract.
The head boat was named in honor of Georgy Ivanovich Zima, captain of the 1st rank, head of the hydrographic department of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet in the Great Patriotic War.
The second boat "Alexander Evlanov" (serial number 1202) should be launched at the end of May 2018.
The project 23040G boat was developed by PKB Petrobalt LLC (St. Petersburg) and is the further development of raiding boats of the complex emergency rescue project 23040 for the Russian Navy Plant "Nizhny Novgorod Ship" for the Russian Navy. The enterprise has already built 16 boats for the Ministry of Defense of the complex rescue project 23040 (factory numbers from 1101 to 1116), surrendered in 2013-2015, and in March 2016 received a contract for the construction of six more boats for the Navy project 23040 (factory numbers from 1117 to 1122), the first two of them were delivered in July 2017, and two more RVK-1239 and RVK-1261 (factory numbers 1119 and 1120) were shipped from the plant also on May 17, 2018.
The large hydrographic boat of the project 23040G has a displacement of 153.7 tons empty, a total displacement of 192.7 tons, a longest length of 33.04 meters, a width of 6.8 meters and an average draft of 1.6 meters. The boat must be equipped with two diesel engines with a capacity of 248 kW and have a full speed of 12.7 knots.
The purpose of the boat is high-precision ground-based survey of the bottom relief and survey of navigational hazards at depths up to 400 meters and survey of the bottom relief by single-beam echosounder at depths up to 2000 meters; Maintenance of all types of floating warning signs (hereinafter referred to as "SCR"); setting / shooting of all types of PPZ up to 1.7 tons and length up to 6.5 meters; delivery of personnel, food, spare parts and repair brigades to the shore facilities of navigation equipment; navigation and hydrographic support of rescue and search operations; pilotage and leading of submarines and large-tonnage ships at the points of origin and approaches to them.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3202988.html
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The medium marine tanker "Akademik Pashin" of Project 23130 went to the factory sea trials
On May 17, 2018, the main marine tanker "Akademik Pashin", project 23130, built for the Russian Navy at the Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant (Shlisselburg, Leningrad region), went to the Ladoga Lake for shipping trials.
LLC "Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant" received a contract of the Russian Defense Ministry worth 2.978 billion rubles for the construction of the main naval tanker of Project 23130 on November 1, 2013. The tanker is designed for the Northern Fleet, based in Murmansk. The ceremony of laying the tanker "Academician Pashin" (plant number 901) under this contract was made at the plant on April 26, 2014. The tanker was withdrawn from the plant's shed on March 18, 2016 and launched on May 26, 2016.
It should be noted that according to the terms of the contract, the ship was to be launched in July 2015, and the end of the factory running and state tests was scheduled for October 2016, the vessel was to be delivered to the customer by November 25, 2016. Thus, the construction of the tanker is delayed by approximately two years from the contractual terms.
At the ceremony of laying the tanker "Academician Pashin" in April 2014, the then commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral V.V. Chirkov said that it was intended to build four such vessels for the Navy. However, there is no information on the construction of a second tanker at the plant.
Project 23130 is developed on a competitive basis by ZAO Spetssudoproekt. The 9000 dwt tanker has the longest length of 130 m, a width of 21.5 m, a draft of 7 m, a cruising range of up to 8,000 miles, autonomy of 60 days, and a crew of 24 people. The speed of the ship in full load at a maximum draft of 16 knots. It was planned to use imported engines as the main diesel power plant.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3203230.html
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The medium marine tanker "Akademik Pashin" of project 23130 at the factory sea trials
The first public photos of the head marine tanker "Akademik Pashin" project 23130 at the factory running tests on the Ladoga Lake. The tanker was built for the Russian Navy at OOO Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant (Shlisselburg, Leningrad region) and was first introduced to factory sea trials on May 17, 2018.
It should be reminded that OOO Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant received a contract of the Russian Defense Ministry worth 2.978 billion rubles for the construction of the main marine tanker of Project 23130 on November 1, The tanker is designed for the Northern Fleet, based in Murmansk. The ceremony of laying the tanker "Academician Pashin" (plant number 901) under this contract was made at the plant on April 26, 2014. The tanker was withdrawn from the plant's shed on March 18, 2016 and launched on May 26, 2016.
It should be noted that according to the terms of the contract, the ship was to be launched in July 2015, and the end of the factory running and state tests was scheduled for October 2016, the vessel was to be delivered to the customer by November 25, 2016. Thus, the construction of the tanker was carried out with a delay of approximately two years from the contractual terms.
At the ceremony of laying the tanker "Academician Pashin" in April 2014, the then commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral V.V. Chirkov said that all for the Navy is supposed to build four such vessels. However, there is no information on the construction of a second tanker at the Shlisselburg plant.
Project 23130 was developed by ZAO Spetssudoproekt. The 9000 tn tanker has the length of 130 m, a width of 21.5 m, a draft of 7 m, a cruising range of up to 8,000 miles, autonomy of 60 days, and a crew of 24 people. The speed of the ship in full load at a maximum draft of 16 knots. It was planned to use imported engines as the main diesel power plant.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3207356.html
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"With a ceremonial St. Andrew's flag hoisting ceremony on June 25, 2018 on board of the Ivan Khurs, the Yuriy Ivanov-class reconnaissance ship of Project 18280 built at St. Petersburg based "Severnaya Verf" ('Northern Shipyard') has officially entered service with the Russian Black Sea Navy. This is the second of Project 18280 series. "
http://en.portnews.ru/news/260306/
http://en.portnews.ru/news/260306/
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On June 28, 2018, the Shipyard and Shipbuilding Corporation (Gorodets, Nizhny Novgorod region, the former Gorodets Shipyard) announced that a solemn laying ceremony for the needs of the Russian Navy of a special marine vessel project 14400 (construction number 1440) for the training of crews of naval helicopters for flights in ship conditions.
The customer of the project 14400 vessel is the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Krylov State Research Center", the project was developed by the Central Design Bureau "Baltsuudoproekt" (part of the "Krylov State Research Center").
On the bmpd side, recall that in 2017 a similar in designation and design solutions, the Sycamore training helicopter project MTV 2300 was commissioned for the Australian fleet. Sycamore was built by order of the Australian Ministry of Defense shipbuilding group Damen Shipyards Group at its shipyard in Vietnam and is operated on a contract basis by the Australian company Serco Defense with a civilian crew.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3264471.html
The customer of the project 14400 vessel is the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Krylov State Research Center", the project was developed by the Central Design Bureau "Baltsuudoproekt" (part of the "Krylov State Research Center").
On the bmpd side, recall that in 2017 a similar in designation and design solutions, the Sycamore training helicopter project MTV 2300 was commissioned for the Australian fleet. Sycamore was built by order of the Australian Ministry of Defense shipbuilding group Damen Shipyards Group at its shipyard in Vietnam and is operated on a contract basis by the Australian company Serco Defense with a civilian crew.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3264471.html
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The second one at Pella isn't far behind.
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Yo dawgski! We heard you like Ladogas so we put a Ladoga in your Ladoga
eh tough crowd, I'll get my hat
eh tough crowd, I'll get my hat
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Here is how the 2 newly built Project 12418 (Tarantul) missile ships will look like when they are completed by the shipyard in Rybinsk.
The boats will enter service in 2019 and will be armed with the 260 km range Xh-35 Uran.
A picture of the "Stealth" modification of the AK630 in testing.
The boats will enter service in 2019 and will be armed with the 260 km range Xh-35 Uran.
A picture of the "Stealth" modification of the AK630 in testing.
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Tarantuls new
This is how the 2 new built Tarantuls will look like after completion in the shipyard in Rybinsk.
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TheArmenian wrote:This is how the 2 new built Tarantuls will look like after completion in the shipyard in Rybinsk.
Finally an image of these boats, thanks Armenian
Looking good. Reminds me of what they did with Svetlak-class for Coast Guard.
They should take any reasonably recent Tarantul they have and convert them into these, strike while the iron is hot.
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PapaDragon wrote:TheArmenian wrote:This is how the 2 new built Tarantuls will look like after completion in the shipyard in Rybinsk.
Finally an image of these boats, thanks Armenian
Looking good. Reminds me of what they did with Svetlak-class for Coast Guard.
They should take any reasonably recent Tarantul they have and convert them into these, strike while the iron is hot.
I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.
Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.
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Tarantuls νες
Isos wrote:......
I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.
Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.
Sell nearly completed ships at a time when their surface Navy is in the middle of crippling vessel shortage?
Did I miss some fresh news since this morning?
And how are they losing money on these upgraded Tarantuls? They were losing money when they were letting them rot incomplete while in storage at the shipyard.
They are finally getting the money back.
If India or Vietnam want them they are free to place an order any day of the week. Sooner they order them sooner construction will start.
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Any idea who those were those hulls originally ordered by?PapaDragon wrote:Isos wrote:......
I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.
Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.
Sell nearly completed ships at a time when their surface Navy is in the middle of crippling vessel shortage?
Did I miss some fresh news since this morning?
And how are they losing money on these upgraded Tarantuls? They were losing money when they were letting them rot incomplete while in storage at the shipyard.
They are finally getting the money back.
If India or Vietnam want them they are free to place an order any day of the week. Sooner they order them sooner construction will start.
Earlier article on these boats: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/july-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6346-russian-navy-to-get-two-upgraded-molniya-class-missile-boats.html
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PapaDragon wrote:Isos wrote:......
I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.
Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.
Sell nearly completed ships at a time when their surface Navy is in the middle of crippling vessel shortage?
Did I miss some fresh news since this morning?
And how are they losing money on these upgraded Tarantuls? They were losing money when they were letting them rot incomplete while in storage at the shipyard.
They are finally getting the money back.
If India or Vietnam want them they are free to place an order any day of the week. Sooner they order them sooner construction will start.
They have started karakurt which are fast to be build. Buying less capable ships armed with less capable weapons is loosing money.
Those missile boats won't make their navy bigger.
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Big_Gazza wrote:.......
Any idea who those were those hulls originally ordered by?
Earlier article on these boats: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/july-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6346-russian-navy-to-get-two-upgraded-molniya-class-missile-boats.html
They were ordered for Soviet/Russian Navy but they laid incomplete for years. They decided to complete them in upgraded setup recently.
Isos wrote:.....They have started karakurt which are fast to be build. Buying less capable ships armed with less capable weapons is loosing money.
Those missile boats won't make their navy bigger.
Having more ships in Navy makes Navy bigger. Basic logic.
These ships may be smaller but they are also cheaper.
Russian Navy is in no position to be picky. They fucked up frigates, corvettes are barely scraping by and as for anything larger forget about it for next several decades at least.
Missile ships are only thing that gets done. Take what you can. Being whiny and picky is how they got into this mess in the first place.
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You don´t need big ships in the Baltic Sea.
miroslav- Posts : 110
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I like the stealthy Ak-630 but isn't the plan to armed them with Pantsir-M for "real" AD capabilities.
I'm guessing that this is an early concept picture of how the ships where meant to look like????
Any way, if the Panstir-M is now ready, given its installment on the new Karakuts, than that is the right and only choice for any new missile boat.
I'm guessing that this is an early concept picture of how the ships where meant to look like????
Any way, if the Panstir-M is now ready, given its installment on the new Karakuts, than that is the right and only choice for any new missile boat.