Turkey relations with US and NATO

AlfaT8 wrote:

KKTC wrote:We all know military coup attempt in Turkey and we all know US goverment did the attempt

And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?

Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey

No that wont happen, Erdogun is playing a double game here, right now he's playing of both sides to get what he wants, but he wont go so far as to leave NATO because that prevents other NATO members from confronting him, after all NATO needs to maintain the delusion that they're some sort of unified force, in short, if the U.S were to attack Turkey then NATO would cease to exist.

İf turkey out nato there will be only usa left
And i think we out nato and play with russia because turkey only trust russia we see all eu and nato countrys after the coup attempt and russia
well russia and turkey need eacother than the other countrys in eu we are neighbours we are going to russia to study or visit they come to turkey and we need eachother and peace for russia and turkey

KKTC wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

KKTC wrote:We all know military coup attempt in Turkey and we all know US goverment did the attempt

And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?

Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey

No that wont happen, Erdogun is playing a double game here, right now he's playing of both sides to get what he wants, but he wont go so far as to leave NATO because that prevents other NATO members from confronting him, after all NATO needs to maintain the delusion that they're some sort of unified force, in short, if the U.S were to attack Turkey then NATO would cease to exist.

İf turkey out nato there will be only usa left
And i think we out nato and play with russia because turkey only trust russia we see all eu and nato countrys after the coup attempt and russia
well russia and turkey need eacother than the other countrys in eu we are neighbours we are going to russia to study or visit they come to turkey and we need eachother and peace for russia and turkey

Turkey trust no one not even itself, and Russia doesn't need Turkey, they just want relations good if/when possible.

AlfaT8 wrote:

KKTC wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

KKTC wrote:We all know military coup attempt in Turkey and we all know US goverment did the attempt

And what you guys thinking about Nato and Turkey ?

Im from turkey and i think US is not friend of turkey

No that wont happen, Erdogun is playing a double game here, right now he's playing of both sides to get what he wants, but he wont go so far as to leave NATO because that prevents other NATO members from confronting him, after all NATO needs to maintain the delusion that they're some sort of unified force, in short, if the U.S were to attack Turkey then NATO would cease to exist.

İf turkey out nato there will be only usa left
And i think we out nato and play with russia because turkey only trust russia we see all eu and nato countrys after the coup attempt and russia
well russia and turkey need eacother than the other countrys in eu we are neighbours we are going to russia to study or visit they come to turkey and we need eachother and peace for russia and turkey

Turkey trust no one not even itself, and Russia doesn't need Turkey, they just want relations good if/when possible.

The best for the Turkey is make a turan union all turkic countries but all of them except azerbaican cooperating with russia and all of them using russian systems
İf they cooperate with us they can use turkish military systems weapons aircrafts...... But if they happens its bad for russia

GarryB wrote:Good relations between Russia and Turkey is good for Russia and good for Turkey.

Good relations with the US is usually only good for the US first and sometimes good for those that give up everything to be friends with the US.

Ye right USA is the worst country ever.

Weak Turkey is good for Russia, because when Turkey can they begin to look forward with expansive ambitions.

Take into account the intention with the Turkic union. It is to expand their own military material,... their own influence.

14 October 2016 19:05

Russia 'May Consider' Giving Air Defense Systems to Turkey

The Kremlin has said Friday it "may consider" supplying Turkey with air defense systems in a further warming of ties after a feud over the downing of a Russian jet last year.

President Vladimir Putin and Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan held talks in Istanbul on Monday in which the prospect of supplying Ankara with air defence systems was brought up, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies; AFP reported.

"Various missile defence systems were mentioned and if the Turkish side so desires, Russia may consider the possibility of supplying Turkey in various ways," Peskov was quoted as saying.

Turkey's private NTV channel, citing Turkish foreign ministry sources, said earlier this week that Ankara was ready to accept an offer from Russia for a Turkish tender to build long-range air defence systems.

Turkish officials, contacted by AFP, said they had no information about any development.

Putin's visit to Turkey -- his first since the November 2015 downing of a Russian war plane by Ankara sparked the worst dispute between the countries since the Cold War -- saw each side pledge to step up cooperation in all areas including defence and technology.

The Kremlin strongman on Monday hinted that concrete measures would be taken to reinforce defence ties with Ankara.

"We are ready to continue this (military-technical) cooperation and boost it with serious projects of mutual interest," Putin said.

"Proposals from both sides are being studied, and I am certain they have all the grounds to be carried out."

Ankara last year cancelled a preliminary deal on air defence systems with China amid concerns from its NATO partners.
At the time, Turkish officials said Ankara had instead an ambitious plan to build a Turkish-made missile defence system.

Despite the warming ties, Moscow and Ankara remain far apart on the conflict in Syria, with Russia supporting leader Bashar al-Assad and Turkey wanting him out.


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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford visited Chief of the General Staff General Hulusi Akar.

Turkey left US influence in the 2000s. All is left to kick American''s out of the İncirlik airbase, shut off kürecik radar base, give their Nukes back.

Erdogan Plays Down US Concerns Over Turkey's Talks With Russia on S-400

ANKARA (Sputnik) — On Sunday, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford said that Turkey's possible purchase of the S-400 air defense system from Russia could be a cause for concern in Washington.

"Why should this be a concern? Each country should take certain measures to ensure its security. Which side can ensure these measures, there the steps are taken. How many times have we talked with America, but it did not work out, so like it or not, we began to make plans about the S-400. Our interested departments are negotiating, and this step will be taken," Erdogan said at a press conference in Ankara.

The S-400 Triumph is Russia's next-generation mobile surface-to-air missile system carrying three different types of missiles capable of destroying aerial targets at a short-to-extremely-long range. It integrates a multifunctional radar, autonomous detection and targeting systems, anti-aircraft missile systems, launchers, and a command and control center.

On July 18, the head of Russia's Rostec state corporation Sergei Chemezov said technical issues of the contract for the supply of the S-400 systems to Turkey had been resolved, with only administrative ones remaining.

As of now, Russia has concluded a contract for the delivery of the S-400 systems with China alone. Negotiations are also being conducted with India.

Erdogan Plays Down US Concerns Over Turkey's Talks With Russia on S-400 - Sputnik International

Germany will consider the issue of continuing the supply of arms to Turkey

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2749129.html

The US Department of Defense spokesperson says Washington is displeased with Ankara’s decision to buy Russian S-400 missile systems

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http://tass.com/defense/965297

U.S. Senator Says Turkey May Face Sanctions Over Weapons Deal With Russia



September 15, 2017 10:09 GMT  

A leading Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations committee says Turkey’s recent purchase of antiaircraft missile systems from Russia may have violated a U.S. law that requires automatic sanctions to be imposed against Ankara.

Senator Ben Cardin issued the warning on September 14 in a letter to the administration of President Donald Trump.

The letter says Ankara’s purchase of Russian S-400 surface-to-air missiles, which was finalized on September 12, violates U.S. congressional sanctions against Russia that were signed into law in August.


Cardin wrote: “As a U.S. ally, it is unfortunate that Turkey has appeared to align itself with Moscow during this critical time.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-russia-s400-missile-system-sanctions-erdogan-nato/28737375.html

Turkish Airlines to buy 40 Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets

If Russia gives to Turkey the S-400, the following day is in the hand of the US.

Turkey may close Incirlik Air Base for US

9 October 2017 14:49 (UTC+04:00)


Baku, Azerbaijan, Oct. 9

By Rufiz Hafizoglu – Trend:

Turkey may close the Incirlik Air Base for the US Air Force, Turkish media outlets reported Oct. 9.

The air base may be closed because on Oct. 8, the US suspended issuance of non-immigrant visas to Turkish citizens, according to the report.

Non-immigrant visas are issued to all those travelling to the US for tourism, medical treatment, business, temporary work or study. Immigrant visa services are only for those seeking to live in the US permanently.

The US suspended issuance of non-immigrant visas to Turkish citizens due to the arrest of an employee of the US Consulate General in Istanbul, the report said.

The Turkish authorities, commenting on the arrest of the employee, noted that he had links with the movement of Fethullah Gulen, who is accused of being involved in a military coup attempt in Turkey in 2016.

Turkey, in turn, also suspended the issuance of visas to US citizens.
https://en.trend.az/world/turkey/2805482.html

I don't really see how Turkey can survive US sanctions if they go Iranian style. No European bank will touch them and they would be left to rely on China, which they have already begged and received $3.6 billion in loans for the power sector which they have no prayer of paying back. It looks like Turkey is headed down the same path as Venezuela and Turks don't have oil.