I think seph got mad because we keep having the same discussions with you over and over... Russia is not the US and it is all Putins fault seems to be your point of view.
When we try to tell you Russia does not need to emulate the US and be more US than the US... because that would actually be a bad thing rather than a good thing.
Im not saying Gary that Russia needs to be United States. All i am saying is that
Russia needs to Compete with American business ,in such a way ,that it can become
and alternative to Americans in a few but very good and and important business.
Russia needs to find its own way... the measure of Russias success is not how popular Russia becomes in western media and western pop culture, nor is it how many TVs are made in Russia that hang on the walls of my home.
and here i agree with you.. Russia have to find its own way.
But is not going to do that by following the american world. by following the american
rules , by using American Internet ,by following the american banking industry and by not doing anything to lead in business.
This is because Russia will be unable to "find its own way" ,while dependent on the american
world. see? Americans will never leave alone Russia to make money ,and create a powerful army. it will use everything they have to collapse Russia. Fortunately until now Russia
is holding the economic warfare. But i don't think this is the best the west can do to damage
Russia economy. it could be much worse. Imagine Russia disconnected from the american banking system.will have no way to trade with Europe. or Russia disconnected from internet?
So i agree with you ,Russia better do something as start putting
into action what you say.
to find its own way by creating its own world and no longer depending on Americans
for anything.
1)Because Russia design its Economy ,around the American world.
Russia needs to be Popular not only in Russia..but also in the west too..
Russia develop its nation around the american world ,it use American Internet,
it use American controlled banking System ,It use American controlled Politics called United Nations. participate in wallstreet ,and its neighbors all of them follows too the American world. So because Russia participate in the American game.
IT NEEDS TO COMPETE .
why it needs to compete?.. to survive and weaken american business leadership in the world.
Russia cannot ignore americans ,economic war on Russia,or how they are aligning the world against Russia.
and how Russia ignores Americans ?
By not leading ,by not competing. by being happy with easy profit business ,that nobody cares.
By not creating very influential business for the western average society.
This does not means to stop doing easy business , only to not ignore
that it also needs to compete with Americans in the business that allows them to influence more
the world.
So Russia cannot be happy with just a growing GDP again, is not enough. it needs to influence
Europe too , because of #1... and better it will be if Russian business influence Americans society too. (as Russia space program is doing) But that Mr Putin the UnWISE president have chosen to reduce its budget. Allowing americans to catchup Russia in the only Business Russia was managing to get some respect and some attention in the world .
because Russia REFUSE to compete with Americans most influential Business , it is happy with making money selling food , happing with selling gas at discount.. then it become DISRESPECTED in the world. RUSSIA MAKES NOTHING says Obama. and the majority of
people in the west believe it too. Because when it comes to their NEEDS.. the needs of the average citizens ,who influence their governments ,Russia offers NOTHING to Americans society or to European Society ,offers nothing that will make anyone in the west.. Pick Russia
over United States when it comes to business that and nation development.
In the other Hand Americans cannot be isolated ,because everyone needs Internet that americans controls. Everyone needs its computers, everyone/majority wants its Apple products . etc etc etc etc etc. Everyone loves american entertainment industry. including Russians.
and its the highest economy in the world ,cheating or not , it is. So this is the major point im
i have been trying to explain. that Russia is not doing a lot to compete and offer an alternative
to the american world. and why Russia needs to compete with Americans?.. Go back to 1)
Because Russia development of its nation is based around the american world ,American Business and American laws.
So Russia have either.. To Disconnect from the American World. Nationalize its banks ,no longer
use Dollar or american Internet and create its own World. or they either stay in the American world and competes with them ,to counter American most influential business. and here is the
major issue. Americans Influence Enormously the Russian society with its business. This means
that the Russian government is Doomed. it have to do something really Horrible. it needs to compete with American business. This is IF Russia do not want to continue to be humiliated
in the world as American does and does not want to be under sanctions for ever. All because
Russia have failed to compete with Americans in the business that more influence they have.
with the exception of SPACE.. where Russia competes.. but is not taking advantage of it. Is allowing americans to catch up them. So Russia keeps doing safe Business that are very easy and very low risk , which is nothing wrong with that.. but they ignore to compete with Americans in the business that could allow Russia to become more attractive to Europeans in the world and finally convince Europe to leave the american Business world and create a new one with Russia. And why Russia needs to convince Europe? Go back to #1.
Because Russia competes in the American world and under their rules. and if want to compete there needs to ,defeat Americans in more places that none ,with its business. So that Americans lose its Power of Influence over Europe and no longer Russia experience sanctions or proxy wars
that damage Russia economy . If Russia had the influence that Japan have in the world ,it will
have been very difficult for Americans to do any sanctions on Russia at all. and NATO will not
even exist.
This is all the problem with Russia economy . Is not that their business are wrong.
Is not that they need to increase the RICE production , Is not Kudrin ,Is not
that needs to sell more potatoes. because americans can hit anything they want and send
to the button the prices of anything ,just to damage Russia economy.
Is not that they need to sell more gas or Oil.. Notice how Americans Collapsed the prices of OIL to sabotage Russia economy . Is not that Russia needs to move to ASIA ,which also plays in the american world. Is that Russia Plays in the American world ,but do very little ,to be seen as a potential alternative to American Business . Is an influence problem. what Russia have.
Where Americans influence even Russian society with its business. But Russia influence in Nothing the american society or the European one.. with the only exception of a business
that Putin is reducing is budget by 30%.
So Putin complain and complain every week about missile shield ,every week about NATO.
every week about sanctions . complaining that Europe is following American leadership and is ignoring Russia. why would europe do that? it is because american get a gun and point to their faces? no. .it is because Russia is not seen as an alternative to United States. Russia does not lead. does not offer a roadmap for Europe to follow. Simply Russia does not lead ,and Americans do it. Russia cannot even get any of its allies to help them in Syria. So is a leadership problem. no more and no less. Russia have some leadership ,only because of its powerful military, and its competitiveness in space ,but is not enough to convince
Europe to create an alliance with Russia and not follow NATO or United States.
Have not seen the polls for your popularity, but the polls for Putin suggest that most Russians are happy with his choices... and I think that is what matters.
Sure this is were Putin have been effective. In Ratings , but is not about Russians ,where Putin needs to work .. is about the west. where Russia popularity is low ,why the west? and not east? go back to #1. Because Russia *follows* the american world ,the american rules , and not
on its own world. then it needs to compete there ,in the american world. and the easier way to defeat americans is by luring Europeans closer to Russia. but the only way Russia can do that is with Spectacular very popular Business.
So by competing in American world , Russia is vulnerable to American Rules ,American cheats , American sanctions , etc. And American Humilliation. if Russia do not want to compete with americans. then it needs to move away , and create its own world. Nationalize its bank ,no longer use dollar or Euros ,creates its own internet.. etc. And build an alliance that can live without American business and without they nations American business controls.
If Russia was as good in civilian business ,as it is on its defense industry is in military technology , Then none of this economic problems will be happening. because Europe will not be following Americans.. but Russia ,creating a new Russian world , abandoning the american world model. Americans and Europe will be fighting to get the exclusivity of the business with Russia. And Russia will stop following Amerians and will start leading in the world ,creating a new Russian world.
I can summarize this in simply terms , by saying.
Countries in this planet ,can do only 3 things.. It can lead , it can follow or it can be north korea.
That is to be completely isolated from the world. But it is possible to Lead inside the American
world.. or to Lead outside of the American world. But Russia is leading in none. BRICS was a good step in the right direction. to start leading.but as long Putin allows Americans to steal the show in Business in the world and only focus in easy ,low risk business like energy and agriculture ,then BRICS have no chance to take off ,because their influence in the world will be very poor. Look how easy Americans weaken BRICS by taking down Dilma in brazil and replacing her with a PRO AMERICAN puppet. That will leave Russia only with 2 nations China and India and the only solid powers and they themselves are influenced a LOT by American business.
So Russia is choosing to follow the American world. To follow American Banking system , To Follow American International Rules , Rules that Americans and their friends are not bound to follow , but that Russia is bound. And later Putin Complains the west does not listen Russia or take Russia seriously.. when he dont see , His own policies in how he develops Russia are the one to blame for that , for not creating as you say Gary. "His own way" , just like Soviet Union tried to do at least.. but forgot about the human rights part.
So because Russia follows to play in the American way, and not Russian way , and seek to participate in the American Banking System , with American controlled international rules and american controlled internet.
Then Russia will continue being a shadow of the Americans
in the world and a nation disrespected by the west. ,and will face economic sanction and economic problems ,if continues to stay in the comfort waters of doing easy low risk Business ,and allow Americans to continue stealing the show and lead the development in the world in Business and refuse to counter or at least offer a decent alternative to Americans most popular business in the world.
IF Russia refuse to be leader in the civilian Business in the world, like Japan,Germany,South Korea are in many things. then it will face serious problems of being its interest respected in the world. Because Europe is not going to risk ,its business with Americans that leads.. for the business of Russia and the so called "Asian Pivot" is not going to solve this. Because Asia follows the American business world too.
So Russia economic problems ,what they are really telling Russia.. is that Russia needs to lead. and need to stop depending on the west. that Russia needs to be truly Independent. Not only independent in military ,but also independent too in technology and entertainment too.
and why technology and entertainment are so important? because are the business that more
influence society in the world. much more than selling apples or coconuts.
In an ideal world ,were all nations respect each other , any business will be good ,it will not matter. but we dont live in that world. we live in a world where leaders take it all ,and followers
its interest are not respected.
The Largest Engineering company in Europe , in transportation ,technology for scientific industries,hospitals ,and generation of electricity --Germany Siemens , Told that Russia needs an Industrial Revolution. and they are 100% correct. Im sure Europe will be more than happy
to help Russia ,to create that. in order for them to be free again ,from the American dictatorship.
So Putins vision of Russia is wrong. Russia needs an industrial revolution. and not to sell
more energy or more organic food in the world. and not to be better in sports.
. Russia needs to become a decent ,alternative to United States. And it doesn't need to do it alone. it could create an technology alliance with China ,India do achieve that.. See? and it will receive a LOT of help from Europe too and Russia have good relations with Japan ,so it will be
an spectacular alliance. In fact Russia could try to pull Japan into BRICS and replace brazil. and create a technology united business alliance withing that organization. So alternatives there are.
it just the lack of vision of Putin's of what it needs to do to counter Americans ,what's makes more difficult things for Russia development in the world.
as long Putin ,continues to allow American business to win the hearts of Europeans
and Russian citizens.. then Russia government will continue being disrespected its interest
in the world. Will continue to see Euromaidans at its borders or in Russia. will continue to see
Europe to ignore Russia interest. and with economic warfare from the west. and speaking
about 5th column and traitors. is a problem of Influence . Russia try to pulls Europe away
of the american world ,to stop them following NATO and American policies , but have nothing
attractive enough to offer back to Europe in change .
But.. is not all lost.. Americans leaders are doing terrible mistakes too.. So there is hope.
But it shouldn't be that way. The future of Russia ,should not depend on the mistakes of American leaders policies , or what could be called LUCK. Russia can do better if took very seriously the competition with Americans most popular business.
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and Crimea will always be Russian. I hope this was the appropriate thread to post such a rant, but I'm sick of westerners being able to bash Russia on forums and get away with it. 
sepheronx
but then at the same time cut space budget by 30%. 
then later give away
