Talking bollocks thread

I'm still trying to figure out why this argument went so far, all because of one stupid article, not the first time it's been done here, i mean how many articles have we chopped up for being incoherent, incorrect, down right lies and complete utter horse shit, also first time i have seen Garry go full MP.net, makes me doubt it's really him, over all this all seems way overboard hardly ban worthy.

If Vann, Rmf, Haushofer, Ultron, Mustafa and other asorted morons can constantly post shit with impunity than Militarov can post link to whatever article he wants to.

Seriously, if you don't like it than don't read it, at least he just posted link instead wall of bullshit the usually come from those idiots.

In this case you are given option not to read if you don't want to.

PapaDragon wrote:If Vann, Rmf, Haushofer, Ultron, Mustafa and other asorted morons can constantly post shit with impunity than Militarov can post link to whatever article he wants to.

Seriously, if you don't like it than don't read it, at least he just posted link instead wall of bullshit the usually come from those idiots.

In this case you are given option not to read if you don't want to.

I fully agree. I just didn't read the article, as I don't have much time to waste, and that is it.

sepheronx wrote:Why?  Just relax people, please.

Militarov has provided a lot of good stuff over time, even if we don't agree with it.

No point over arguing a single article.

x2


I have family in Serbia I know they can be stubborn like hell like militarov but hard not to love them

PapaDragon wrote:If Vann, Rmf, Haushofer, Ultron, Mustafa and other asorted morons can constantly post shit with impunity than Militarov can post link to whatever article he wants to.

Seriously, if you don't like it than don't read it, at least he just posted link instead wall of bullshit the usually come from those idiots.

In this case you are given option not to read if you don't want to.

well youre a retard so what else is new? i dont even comment your worthless photo PR b.s.

PapaDragon wrote:If Vann, Rmf, Haushofer, Ultron, Mustafa and other asorted morons can constantly post shit with impunity than Militarov can post link to whatever article he wants to.

Seriously, if you don't like it than don't read it, at least he just posted link instead wall of bullshit the usually come from those idiots.

In this case you are given option not to read if you don't want to.

+1 This was stupid. We have total screwheads all over this forum who post bloody jihadi propaganda as pure truth, and Militarov gets picked on for posting an article from the Daily Beast? I mean sure, it's bullshit, but he didn't believe it, unlike some other morons.

Please ban me too while you are at it as i am done with this forum.

Up to you.

Not going to ban you however.

Garry go full MP.net, makes me doubt it's really him, over all this all seems way overboard hardly ban worthy.

I haven't banned anyone.

I am surprised by Militarovs reaction, but this is not the first time he has threatened to quit this forum... which he has every right to.

If Vann, Rmf, Haushofer, Ultron, Mustafa and other asorted morons can constantly post shit with impunity than Militarov can post link to whatever article he wants to.

Ummm... did you read what he posted into the PAK FA thread?

Let me remind you:

"Not only is the Russian air force indiscriminately bombing civilians in Syria—it’s losing a substantial number of aircraft in the process. Turkish jets shot down one Syria-based Russian bomber after it strayed into Turkish air space in November 2015. Russia has also lost around half a dozen helicopters to crashes and ground fire in Syria in recent months."

"Today Russia is in a similar predicament. Outside of the Syria intervention, Moscow possesses precious little extra air power. But it only takes on T-50 to make an impressive statement and at least imply that Russia has warplanes to spare. It doesn’t actually matter that, as a frontline warplane, the T-50 is probably doomed to fail. It can at least do its job as a propaganda piece......."

If TheArmenian or Zivo had posted such an article my response would have been the same... ie

Why did you post that flamebait bullshit here Militarov?

You can read the rest for yourself.

I expected better from Militarov... as I would for Zivo or TheArmenian... and I suspect if either of them had done such a thing they would not have defended their right to post flamebait shit here and probably would have manned up and apologised to the other members for posting such dribble... claiming temporary insanity or something no doubt...

Amazing that I get criticised for letting some post rubbish and criticised for not letting others post it.

And asking a question means I am going all MP.net on them????

Really?

I think we have a few Divas here... if they want to leave then I will miss them but I am not going to beg forgiveness.

I am just doing my job as best I can... if you guys want to vote me off the island then PM Vlad.

BTW sorry to Zivo and TheArmenian for any offense, you are members I respect as thinking sensible members of this forum that don't let your emotions get the better of you... Militarov used to be in that group too for me, but clearly he wants the right to post BS without question...

What the actual Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo?

Are you folks on Ramadan or something? You're starting to sound bordeline PMS'ish.

And for real was this because David Fucking Axe? I understand sometimes tensions fly because the posting policy is lax (not laxist), but to each his own guys. Live and let live.

Let's all make peace.

Militarov will be missed but its unfortunate that this happened, and GarryB and Militarov are both great contributors. Hopefully someone can find Militarov on another forum and threat him to come back, we need our Serb bros on the forum.

GarryB wrote:.......................

Ummm... did you read what he posted into the PAK FA thread?

Let me remind you:

"Not only is the Russian air force indiscriminately bombing civilians in Syria—it’s losing a substantial number of aircraft in the process. Turkish jets shot down one Syria-based Russian bomber after it strayed into Turkish air space in November 2015. Russia has also lost around half a dozen helicopters to crashes and ground fire in Syria in recent months."

"Today Russia is in a similar predicament. Outside of the Syria intervention, Moscow possesses precious little extra air power. But it only takes on T-50 to make an impressive statement and at least imply that Russia has warplanes to spare. It doesn’t actually matter that, as a frontline warplane, the T-50 is probably doomed to fail. It can at least do its job as a propaganda piece......."

............................

If you bothered to pay attention you would know it's not his text, he was just quoting the article.

And when Mustafa was posting 2 full treads of racist and jihadist bullshit he was able to do so without any complaints from mods for nearly a month before Vlad (the administrator) banned him.

VladimirSahin wrote:Militarov will be missed but its unfortunate that this happened, and GarryB and Militarov are both great contributors. Hopefully someone can find Militarov on another forum and threat him to come back, we need our Serb bros on the forum.

Mil's going nowhere.

People need to calm the fuck down and practice what they preach. Second degree, tolerance and tutti quanti.

That happens, when actual trolls are left alone just so the mods are not seen as ban happy goons while actual contributors to this forum are more and more pissed off and are posting less and less since the threads are either attacked or the entire niveau is dragged down by the clowns and the inactive, reputation worrying mods.

There are rules on this forum and your reputation is no subject to bend or break the rules to your liking.

Get your heads out of your arses. I do not say this to annoy or piss you off just to give you a little point of view from year long members of this forum that sees this forum being infiltrated by trolls since the closure of mp.net and you mods do not do your job.

Keep your personal reputation above forum reputation and you will find yourself being mods of a dump while actual contributors are going some places else.

Your actions or better to say lack of actions is the problem and how Militarov reacted to GarryB's replies is only one the few drops that are seemingly to fill and overfloot the bucket of personal tolerance of the bullshit he and others see and have to read on this forum.

My 2cents.

I do not see David Axes horseshit of any interest, i some times read the horeshit our enemies spew into the masses just to see what the idiots are fed up with, but the reaction is one-sided.

I've seen the same David Axe link on other forums too where people were laughing at his BS  but boy oh boy this forum turned it into a trainwreck. When I joined 2 years back this forum had good contributors but slowly it's turning into _ .

max steel wrote:I've seen the same David Axe link on other forums too where people were laughing at his BS  but boy oh boy this forum turned it into a trainwreck. When I joined 2 years back this forum had good contributors but slowly it's turning into _ .

I love you too

Forum is still good, just some unneeded posts and flame wars that some times happens. Forum still has potential

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FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

You do understand that sometimes people WILL POST stuff that might not be of your liking.

You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

Well. That's factually wrong on multiples angles.

1. There are Russian military members in Russia, because of JCCC.
2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.
3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

Yet we were very close to having the kind of debate Mil had with Garry and the others. Because you know, no Russians in Ukraine. Ha, ha, effing ha.
Objectivity is not about belief, it's about picking up the least implausible, the most coherent, most logic version of events that presents itself to you.

From those rules, I see a couple that are broken when you attack the messenger. I've been guilty of that back in Dforce's period. And with reason as Dforce kept the trolling up.
However, it doesn't change the fact I broke the rules. Yet the cause of all this rif raf is because for what ever reason, Militarov was attacked for something that was clearly sarcastic. It was so sarcastic that I pointed out that the author of that shitty piece was an utter tool and your casual "useful idiot".

However that piece wasn't even as offensive as some non-sense being posted recently on very serious matters that I happen to know well. I'd point out pieces as bad as D. Axe's trash regarding the AK74MR program, the fact that people still peddle the AK-12 adopted and for special forces (yeah but no) and that Ratnik is going to be fully worn all time.

Then we have people that continuously post in foreign language without translation (you know who you are) etc etc etc.

The fact is that this forum is not going anywhere without its members. It's a rather nifty place with interesting people. But an effort has to be made on both sides. Now as far as Mil is concerned, I don't really think any of you is seeing the crazy ouput he's been having. And a fairly balanced one. This is not about repuation indeed, but that line of argument goes both ways.

KoTeMoRe wrote:FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

You do understand that sometimes people WILL POST stuff that might not be of your liking.

You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

Well. That's factually wrong on multiples angles.

1. There are Russian military members in Russia, because of JCCC.
2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.
3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

As far as official statements go, The Russian army was not in Ukraine. Although that doesn't mean there was no Russian brigades in Ukraine but this is justifiable for the same reason that f*cking new cyborg Ukrainian government was formed by a damn riot. I'm just trying to defend the DPR/LPR as being targeted by a very sloppy operation from the Ukrainian government and also being targeted by indiscriminate shelling. And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

VladimirSahin wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

You do understand that sometimes people WILL POST stuff that might not be of your liking.

You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

Well. That's factually wrong on multiples angles.

1. There are Russian military members in Russia, because of JCCC.
2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.
3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

As far as official statements go, The Russian army was not in Ukraine. Although that doesn't mean there was no Russian brigades in Ukraine but this is justifiable for the same reason that f*cking new cyborg Ukrainian government was formed by a damn riot. I'm just trying to defend the DPR/LPR as being targeted by a very sloppy operation from the Ukrainian government and also being targeted by indiscriminate shelling. And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

Personally, I'd have zero issues having an open retaking of Ukraine (or whatever is left of it). But that option was out of question.

However, this was just an illustration of what kind of mental barriers once can hit when taking with others. For some there were no Russians in Ukraine, for others they were. These viewpoints can be argued without the need to just usher a mantra, in this case "No Russians in Ukraine".

That's all we need to defuse troublesome situation not instill them.

Well it is a successful tactic you can say "maskirovka" even NATO itself is kind of edgy on actual numbers deployed into Ukraine. Some claim 12,000 some claim 8,000 some claim a brigade worth so around 1200. How ever it would be good if we could get someone without bias such as yourself who looks into both sources to share any info on actual numbers deployed. I know T-90s and T-72B3s have been deployed, lads from Buryatia.(I don't know why they would send asians to fight in Ukraine obviously they'll be identified) maybe we should get a thread on the topic? I know this isn't the right place to discuss but I'm quite interested in the topic.

If you bothered to pay attention you would know it's not his text, he was just quoting the article.

I understand he was quoting the article he was linking.

What I don't understand is why he is defending posting a quote about the Russian air force murdering civilians in Syria and losing dozens of aircraft in the process on a thread about the PAK FA.

And when Mustafa was posting 2 full treads of racist and jihadist bullshit he was able to do so without any complaints from mods for nearly a month before Vlad (the administrator) banned him.

And when he posted crap he was told he was posting crap... eventually he stepped over the line and was banned. Militarov is saying he is leaving... the fact that he is saying he is leaving suggests to me that he has not been banned.

The only pain he has suffered here is being asked why he posted such a crap article... an article Zivo took apart very succinctly a few posts above...

He is still not banned.

If he chooses to leave, that is his decision.

That happens, when actual trolls are left alone just so the mods are not seen as ban happy goons while actual contributors to this forum are more and more pissed off and are posting less and less since the threads are either attacked or the entire niveau is dragged down by the clowns and the inactive, reputation worrying mods.

I could give a shit about my reputation... it is not something I can control.

I ban when people repeatedly break the rules... it takes a lot to get a ban from me... most of the time a discussion is all that is needed to sort out the problem.

Nobody has been banned to my knowledge even though Mil asked me to ban him.

Get your heads out of your arses. I do not say this to annoy or piss you off just to give you a little point of view from year long members of this forum that sees this forum being infiltrated by trolls since the closure of mp.net and you mods do not do your job.

Show me specific examples of rule breaking and I will act. Otherwise it is not an issue for a mod... more likely an issue for marriage councillor.

Keep your personal reputation above forum reputation and you will find yourself being mods of a dump while actual contributors are going some places else.

I can just enforce the rules and post my own opinion.

If there's someone you dislike, go to "profile" > "Friends and foes" and block the offender.

IF only I could...

FFS do you lads understand that you're not forced to like what we post as long as it is factual and accompanied with a disclaimer?

FFS Militarov posted a stupid article... he was no executed, he was not banned... he was told he posted a stupid flame bait article and went apeshit.

Members can post any bullshit opinion they like but should expect other members to respond with their opinions.

You know what I'm about to get involved. Recently Garry pointed out that there were no Russians in Ukraine.

Give me a list of all the Russian units currently on strength with the Russian Armed forces and please list those that were in the Ukraine.

2. We have seen both credible evidence and credible aftermath of Russian presence in Ukraine. And nope we're not talking BellingCat bullshit, just freaking MSTA-S crossing the freaking border from Ukraine to Russia with tactical ID still on.

Maybe they went looking for where all those shells that landed in Russian territory were coming from?

3. There's enough resources to prove and verify, RF MoD has been involved in shipping and forming Donbass militia. Both in Ukraine and Russia. We also know the process of intervention (including weapons and ammo that were delivered in August to "Nothern Wind" and signed by the NCO of tank platoon. NCO that even posted pictures of him and his men rolling IN Donbass.

There are plenty of photos of NATO and US forces in the Ukraine providing equipment and training... the real question is when.

It was so sarcastic that I pointed out that the author of that shitty piece was an utter tool and your casual "useful idiot".

So if it was sarcastic, why did he object to criticism for posting it?

And this is the truth, Russian troops were in Ukraine supporting the DPR/LPR. But that doesn't mean it is not justified, if the US is supporting well known terrorist rats in Syria, Russia has the right to support a rebellion comprised of its own people.

Russian forces in the Ukraine is a lie the Ukrainians use to try to get support and sympathy from the EU and US... and when dickheads support that view it only makes wankers in kiev look more legitimate.

There are no Russian federation forces in the Ukraine.

Personally, I'd have zero issues having an open retaking of Ukraine (or whatever is left of it). But that option was out of question.

Personally I would say to those in the Ukraine, if you want to come and live in Russia then move now and we will give you land in Russia... well away from international borders where you can live in peace as Russians... if you try to get autonomy or independence we will deport you back to the shithole that is the Ukraine... you have a year to decide and then we are considering the Russia Ukraine border a border with a future NATO country that will be sealed.

Make your choice.

The knee-jerk reaction from some members is abysmal. He posted an 'it's so bad it's good' article with a clear sarcastic underlining. it wasn't the first time this has happened. I myself have been posting worse, for s*** and giggles.

Slight

As for "the Ukraine issue". You have had elements of the 98th and 234th VDV which have been in Ukraine as part of the JCCC. IS this going to be enough Russians in Ukraine.
You also have people that have brought Aistinyok CBR that were ID's by VK as people from the 234th and they had images of how they transported the whole system. Funny thing, they packed it on ATV's in August.
You have serial numbers of active Russian troops being being photographed on rifles by the guys them selves, in Donetsk. If there's one thing that doesn't need explanation it is the fact that a Russian soldier doesn't give his registered weapon to someone else. In stark contrast with most rifles in Ukraine that were marked for armory storage, the issued rifles have various id means (including in the case of one SVD-S the freaking V-number of the razvedchik) which entail among others the holdover data for the rifle (taped on receiver, upper handguard).

The rest of this discussion is quite funny but my point has nothing to do with Ukraine, Sapienti Sat and we don't need to prove what we say to people who are hell bent on believing the "official" version. It's one of those insider things. It makes me smile, feel all warm inside knowing that Mordor does stuff no one will ever know exactly, until they got a 125mm barrel stuck up their rear.

He objected to what is now a freaking party line. Don't do this, don't do that. Hell that's the thing that will get anyone flak. I don't react when I see stupid/biaised things posted. I don't react when I read some freaking non-sense about making Turkey implode, I don't react when people advocate to give weapons to people whose nationalism is only compared to the people they fight in the margin of Turkish territory.

I hear Tochka this, Iskander that...that doesn't affect my capacity to enjoy this sight, although it really gets tiresome to have that kind of rinse and repeat. If I'm this tolerant at my old age (and believe me I don't want to put up with this crap anymore that those who complain about a paid shit poster in a propaganda outlet, that has less readers than I have had women, and that's really bad btw) why can't some people not just move along. There are people who will take steps to prove or disprove shit posting. However in Mil's case you can't exactly try and tie him down to that. I mean we had Dfarce post crap here he never got flak from upstairs from that, although he was doing that on purpose.

Now the rest is just we being polite to eachother.

All I want to say is that we're on the same side, we shouldn't start slugging it out like there was an infestation of traitors in the hen coop.

GarryB,
Obviously the war started off as a rebellion on its own, at this point Russia didn't support this armed rebellion, how ever slowly after the Ukrainian government sloppily murdered people in the east and denied them rights, and discriminated against them, Russia armed and trained them. Once that wasn't working (obviously Ukraine has a way large armed forces and more equipment then the rebels) it is apparent that Russia for a short period deployed atleast a few battalions to f*ck up the Ukrainian offensives, and counter attacked. How ever claims of the DPR/LPR being Russian started is total bullsh*t.

30,000 troops in the DPR/LPR you're telling me these numbers are majority Russian citizens or Russian army? Of course not. How ever, apparent from LPR troops in llovaisk posing on a T-90 near the air port(this is one piece of evidence). Russian armored battalion tactical groups or motor battalion groups have been deployed. I doubt the 12,000 or 8,000 numbers given, but it is obvious battalions have been deployed. This does not make the Ukrainian cause right at all, nor justify them. They have an illegal government formed by f*cktards. Now they're busy licking NATO as*. Russian special forces are actively training and advising troops. How ever as you can see in this minsk 2 ceasefire, the Ukrainian cyborgs are shelling DPR/LPR and OSCE assh*ats are barely reporting it. While Ukraine's government gets credit when our DPR/LPR boys return fire in way less intensity. Anyways, I hope Poroshenko sends his troops for ATO part 3: The Finale. Where DPR/LPR extend its borders a few hundred KMs westwards.

The knee-jerk reaction from some members is abysmal. He posted an 'it's so bad it's good' article with a clear sarcastic underlining. it wasn't the first time this has happened. I myself have been posting worse, for s*** and giggles.

There is a humour thread if he thought it was supposed to be amusing.

If it was supposed to be so wrong it is funny, why did he respond the way he did... why not laugh it off?

As for "the Ukraine issue". You have had elements of the 98th and 234th VDV which have been in Ukraine as part of the JCCC. IS this going to be enough Russians in Ukraine.

Oh dear god... you are joking right?

The SMM has been monitoring the creation and work of the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC), established by the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine in co-operation with military representatives of the Russian Federation. The SMM hopes that the JCCC will help to establish an effective and durable ceasefire and put an end to the armed confrontation in eastern Ukraine.

Perhaps the presence of VDV peacekeepers in South Ossetia and Abkhazia means the georgian attack on the former was fully justified?

You have serial numbers of active Russian troops being being photographed on rifles by the guys them selves, in Donetsk. If there's one thing that doesn't need explanation it is the fact that a Russian soldier doesn't give his registered weapon to someone else. In stark contrast with most rifles in Ukraine that were marked for armory storage, the issued rifles have various id means (including in the case of one SVD-S the freaking V-number of the razvedchik) which entail among others the holdover data for the rifle (taped on receiver, upper handguard).

Russian soldiers going AWOL with weapons means nothing... there were plenty of other non locals there too including French and other nationalities... can we claim the ilegal forces from Kiev are being attacked by the entire EU?

I mean we had Dfarce post crap here he never got flak from upstairs from that, although he was doing that on purpose.

Some members post crap all the time... and because of that no one really pays attention to what they post. When a more respected member posts shit and then complains because some members object to that sort of rubbish then I notice. I didn't read the article he linked to, I just read the quote he posted and thought if that was an example of the quality of the article he was linking to I didn't want to know anything else about the article but what I did want to know was why he thought posting that on a sensible thread was a good idea... and why he thought defending posting that shit on a sensible thread was a good idea too.

I though I was clear about that in my replies... I said if other respected members had posted such dribble I would have responded the same... the difference is that I suspect other respected members would have not gone apeshit and defended such a stupid thing to the point of threatening to leave the forum.

The Finale. Where DPR/LPR extend its borders a few hundred KMs westwards.

Personally I think Russia should offer sanctuary to those who want to leave and then build a wall and let them fight each other. Anything comes over the wall its source will be located and destroyed.

I am glad we are all keeping on topic in this thread.... if you know what I mean