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Delta 3 are still used. 3 of them and 1 converted. They are using Sineva. Same with all 6 Delta 4 using Sineva. Your "think" of what will happen and reality are two different things.
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miketheterrible wrote:Delta 3 are still used. 3 of them and 1 converted. They are using Sineva. Same with all 6 Delta 4 using Sineva. Your "think" of what will happen and reality are two different things.
^ one decade ago they did. Now it's basically 2018.
Sure, till the end of 2019, early 2020 those 3 should be active on paper. The reality is Boreis in the Pacific fleet are replacing them (2 active, 1 launched and 1 pending for that fleet), so they probably have some few patrols left, each (if any), before they're gone.
As good as done for, as I said.
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Most Delta 4's were upgraded with Sineva and overhauled only about 4 - 5 years ago.....
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miketheterrible wrote:Most Delta 4's were upgraded with Sineva and overhauled only about 4 - 5 years ago.....
Which gives them usefulness of 5 more years, 8 at best.
Most of those old boomers will be gone by the time all 8 Boreis come online. They plan to ditch them all eventually, perhaps if they get to finance 2 more Boreis for NF, then the impending catastrophe for the SSBN fleet won't be that bad.
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Not when it's a brand new, multi-billion dollar program of rearming them.
Then again, this is going nowhere cause your basing it off of opinion.
Then again, this is going nowhere cause your basing it off of opinion.
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miketheterrible wrote:Not when it's a brand new, multi-billion dollar program of rearming them.
Then again, this is going nowhere cause your basing it off of opinion.
No that's what they've planned and said. 8 Boreis, that's it mate. Sorry.
Delta upgrade was meant to keep RuN away from becoming the French Navy in terms of active SSBNs through the 2010s and early 2020s.
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This anti-Russian troll off topic collection of posts need to be moved to the talking bollox thread.
History has proven:
1) western invaders of Russia always underestimate it
2) no western invasion of Russia has ever been successful
NATO is just another demented western crusade. Instead of trying to liberate Jerusalem from the Islamic "infidels"
they are trying to liberate Russian soil from Russians. The west attacked Orthodox Christians as infidels during the
original crusades. In spite of the enlightenment, the west is still stuck in the same mode of thinking regarding
the east.
History has proven:
1) western invaders of Russia always underestimate it
2) no western invasion of Russia has ever been successful
NATO is just another demented western crusade. Instead of trying to liberate Jerusalem from the Islamic "infidels"
they are trying to liberate Russian soil from Russians. The west attacked Orthodox Christians as infidels during the
original crusades. In spite of the enlightenment, the west is still stuck in the same mode of thinking regarding
the east.
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Here is my 2 cents off topic. While we bash America for justified reasons, I do not bash Americans (too much). At the individual level
we are all humans and more similar than different. It is at the aggregated national scale that all the differences exist and which are the
source of all strife and war. The national level is dominated by tiny fraction of a percent of the total population including in the "democracies".
Just because you vote every four years, does not make you the operator. Thanks to marketing propaganda most people vote for established
parties all the time and are afraid to take a risk and vote some fringe. So the there are decades for the established parties to form
corrupt relationships with business and to engage in criminal behaviour abroad to secure economic gain.
Where I bash Americans is their over reliance on their MSM. They give CNN et al. way too much benefit of the doubt. Russians
are accused of being sheep that are led around by the nose by the "state run media". This is BS that describes western media consumers.
Russians don't give the MSM the benefit of the doubt. They support Putin because he has brought about a tangible improvement in their
lives compared to the 1990s. Not because the Russian MSM told them to worship him. Meanwhile, in the USA, Killary Clinton makes a
blood libel accusation against Russia, like the sore loser that she is, and this is be basis of an investigation and impeachment process against
the duly elected president, Trump. The open bias of the US MSM should make it the least trustworthy news source. But Americans still
swallow the drivel up as gospel.
I guess this is because Americans have had a soft life and the MSM was never seen as a hostile entity. But the reality is in bitter
disagreement with this view.
we are all humans and more similar than different. It is at the aggregated national scale that all the differences exist and which are the
source of all strife and war. The national level is dominated by tiny fraction of a percent of the total population including in the "democracies".
Just because you vote every four years, does not make you the operator. Thanks to marketing propaganda most people vote for established
parties all the time and are afraid to take a risk and vote some fringe. So the there are decades for the established parties to form
corrupt relationships with business and to engage in criminal behaviour abroad to secure economic gain.
Where I bash Americans is their over reliance on their MSM. They give CNN et al. way too much benefit of the doubt. Russians
are accused of being sheep that are led around by the nose by the "state run media". This is BS that describes western media consumers.
Russians don't give the MSM the benefit of the doubt. They support Putin because he has brought about a tangible improvement in their
lives compared to the 1990s. Not because the Russian MSM told them to worship him. Meanwhile, in the USA, Killary Clinton makes a
blood libel accusation against Russia, like the sore loser that she is, and this is be basis of an investigation and impeachment process against
the duly elected president, Trump. The open bias of the US MSM should make it the least trustworthy news source. But Americans still
swallow the drivel up as gospel.
I guess this is because Americans have had a soft life and the MSM was never seen as a hostile entity. But the reality is in bitter
disagreement with this view.
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kvs wrote:2) no western invasion of Russia has ever been successful
ΝΑΤΟ has done a pretty good job snatching parts and reducing influence here and there. Baltics, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia and even Kazakhstan to an extent. Eastern Europe gone too (not that sustaining it was in Russia's interest).
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KiloGolf wrote:kvs wrote:2) no western invasion of Russia has ever been successful
ΝΑΤΟ has done a pretty good job snatching parts and reducing influence here and there. Baltics, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia and even Kazakhstan to an extent. Eastern Europe gone too (not that sustaining it was in Russia's interest).
That "influence building" had a devastating effect on the Western EU/US.
The UK efficiency hasn't improved a micron in the past decade, and the US is in similar shoe.
This is the consequence of the devastation of middle class, and the decreasing level of living in the above countries.
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kvs wrote:
we are all humans and more similar than different. It is at the aggregated national scale that all the differences exist and which are the
source of all strife and war. The national level is dominated by tiny fraction of a percent of the total population
He's a globalist get him.
We must destroy all globalist scum if we are to create a better futre.
- click this after reading my post:
- if you don't catch the satire then i suggest you have your mental health checked
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The main problem for America is that there is no choice... Trump is not doing anything Clinton wouldn't be doing for the most part.
Obviously there are minor differences like obama care, but if all these allegations of all these hollywood directors taking advantage of potential actresses had come to light while Hilary was in power she would be going on about how her rule was empowering women blah blah blah.
Of course both men and women in power abuse their positions to get what they want... but I doubt a man would complain at having to sleep with a female boss to get a job... feminists don't care about anything but their agenda... you wont see feminists demanding to be put on the draft... but they will demand women in the military get promoted higher and faster than ever before whether they can do the job or not.
Of course if the American people actually protested the actions of the US government we hardly ever see that unless it fits the agenda of the media to do so.
For the people has become for the 1%.
It is something the American people need to sort out before it causes a civil war.
Normally I would hope they could avoid that because civil wars are the worst kind... brother against brother... except the US and the EU have tried to start such a war in the Ukraine, so I think they deserve a taste of it themselves. The problem there is that it was the 1% that made the choices to remove the legitimate government of the Ukraine, and they are the least likely to suffer directly in a civil war in the US.... they might lose their power but their kids wont be fighting on the front line.... they will likely fly out to somewhere else till everything cools down.
Obviously there are minor differences like obama care, but if all these allegations of all these hollywood directors taking advantage of potential actresses had come to light while Hilary was in power she would be going on about how her rule was empowering women blah blah blah.
Of course both men and women in power abuse their positions to get what they want... but I doubt a man would complain at having to sleep with a female boss to get a job... feminists don't care about anything but their agenda... you wont see feminists demanding to be put on the draft... but they will demand women in the military get promoted higher and faster than ever before whether they can do the job or not.
Of course if the American people actually protested the actions of the US government we hardly ever see that unless it fits the agenda of the media to do so.
For the people has become for the 1%.
It is something the American people need to sort out before it causes a civil war.
Normally I would hope they could avoid that because civil wars are the worst kind... brother against brother... except the US and the EU have tried to start such a war in the Ukraine, so I think they deserve a taste of it themselves. The problem there is that it was the 1% that made the choices to remove the legitimate government of the Ukraine, and they are the least likely to suffer directly in a civil war in the US.... they might lose their power but their kids wont be fighting on the front line.... they will likely fly out to somewhere else till everything cools down.
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ΝΑΤΟ has done a pretty good job snatching parts and reducing influence here and there. Baltics, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia and even Kazakhstan to an extent. Eastern Europe gone too (not that sustaining it was in Russia's interest).
Yeah, NATO and the US have stripped the Russians of all the dead wood and hanger-ons and without being tied to an ideology to push the Russians can now trade with pretty much anyone, but they know that NATO and the US are their enemies.
Congratulations.
America has won... they get to prop up all their little puppet states and will get the blame once those people realise it was never about helping them but about punishing Russia for not being exactly the same as us.
Of course now those neighbour states will struggle economically because they used to have massive economic ties with Russia but the EU and the US have demanded those ties be cut.
Sanctions have basically led to import substitution, which has improved the quality of Russian systems so the rest of the world will now have alternatives to western overpriced kit and all those strings attached to them will no longer pull as hard when there are alternatives on the market.
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NATO is just another demented western crusade. Instead of trying to liberate Jerusalem from the Islamic "infidels"
they are trying to liberate Russian soil from Russians. The west attacked Orthodox Christians as infidels during the
original crusades. In spite of the enlightenment, the west is still stuck in the same mode of thinking regarding
the east.
What puzzles me up to this day is how the West is prepared to resort to dirty methods just to destroy Russia in any possible means, while on the other hand, very restrained and even accommodating when dealing with Islam/Muhammedans.
ΝΑΤΟ has done a pretty good job snatching parts and reducing influence here and there. Baltics, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia and even Kazakhstan to an extent. Eastern Europe gone too (not that sustaining it was in Russia's interest).
I will have to agree with KG, Russia needs to recover its lost territories if it wants to secure its sovereignty for centuries to come. Russia's present borders exposes them to a lot of risks, it is unstable.
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yes.... Putin is evil because he wont allow gays to promote their lifestyle to minors in Russia, yet the royal family of Saudi Arabia are OK and will have you stoned to death for homosexual activity...
Ahh, well... I am sure being friends with those nutters can't backfire again right?
Ahh, well... I am sure being friends with those nutters can't backfire again right?
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Considering the state of the immediate Post-USSR space that's actually pretty average, if not below average going, for an organization that really had Russia by the balls in the 90s. In terms of entrenchment, you're talking minimal verging on pointless, with strategic value being marginal at best. Ukraine was their last move, and their most daring. It's netted them a failed state and a stolen Black Sea bastion right from under their noses (which far more has been done with post-referendum than before) . The EU is broke, and collapse is imminent, if one observes the immigration policies, economic situation, and nationalist movements (movements that will likely favor a warming of relations with Russia should they be successful). A conflict in the middle of Ukraine will help Russia greatly when SHTF for greater Europe... which it will.KiloGolf wrote:kvs wrote:2) no western invasion of Russia has ever been successful
ΝΑΤΟ has done a pretty good job snatching parts and reducing influence here and there. Baltics, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia and even Kazakhstan to an extent. Eastern Europe gone too (not that sustaining it was in Russia's interest).
As for the US, they only pose as much a threat as their war weary and heavily divided population allows. My guess is that they will not last out the next few decades if the political situation does not change dramatically. This is not just a personal view, but the view of Americans I've had the displeasure of living with in the past, despite their generally retarded state of mind, they seem to acknowledge the fact that the writing is on the wall for their land of freedom.
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Peŕrier wrote:So, just to cure my own ignorance, how much could/should cost the development of a new russian STOVL aircraft?
Very approssimate guess-stimations will be welcome as well.
Please, don't be shy and put some number forward.
The magical formula of Papadragon: The UAE (promoting the project) will pay the cost.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7135p200-russian-stovl-vtol-fighter-development#213008
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7135p200-russian-stovl-vtol-fighter-development#213012
Papadragon wrote:ATLASCUB wrote:2 reasons why this aircraft will be ordered:
#1: Keep a design bureau afloat, either YAK/MIG aka nepotism with Russian tax payer money.
#2: Keep up with Western development of single-engine VTOL aircraft which can spill over to the drone development realm. By Western, I mean the U.S so it's a very weak reason but hey.... can't think of many that would make sense. The points put forth by people in favor are weak as hell in my opinion.....
#3 and most important one: someone else is paying for it and Navy is taking a chance for a free ride just like with MiG-29K on Indian dime
Papadragon never was good on mathematics but this...
Note that Papadragon expect not US sanctions to the UAE, he expects not jail or drone attacks for the UAE terrorists that want to deal with Russia. Papadragon expects not the invasion of the UAE. Papadragon expect the money, in the order of tens of $ Billions going from the UAE to Russia, helping to Russia to reach the "ideal" solutions of their aircraft carriers, and allowing Russia to obtain the "ideal" aircraft for their aircraft carriers. Later with the help of South Korea will obtain the "ideal" aircraft carriers....
Well, he has not mind for more. Just panicking, having spacial attack dreams and all the stuff.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7135p200-russian-stovl-vtol-fighter-development#213012
Papadragon wrote:Oh my God, you are right. It's totally under construction at space shipyard Russia launched into Lunar orbit last year!!!
I zoomed in and I am panicking because reality overwhelmed me, look:
Papadragon is too brocken panicking, but the rest? This deserves a serious answer.
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eehnie wrote:Peŕrier wrote:So, just to cure my own ignorance, how much could/should cost the development of a new russian STOVL aircraft?
Very approssimate guess-stimations will be welcome as well.
Please, don't be shy and put some number forward.
The magical formula of Papadragon: The UAE will pay the cost.
Papadragon never was good on mathematics but this...
Note that Papadragon expect not US sanctions to the UAE, he expects not jail or drone attacks for the UAE terrorists that want to deal with Russia. Papadragon expects not the invasion of the UAE. Papadragon expect the money, in the order of tens of $ Billions going from the UAE to Russia, helping to Russia to reach the "ideal" solutions of their aircraft carriers, and allowing Russia to obtain the "ideal" aircraft for their aircraft carriers. Later with the help of South Korea will obtain the "ideal" aircraft carriers....
Well, he has not mind for more. Just panicking, having spacial attack dreams and all the stuff.
Papadragon is too brocken panicking, but the rest? This deserves a serious answer.
PapaDragon has an IT degree so worry not about his mathematics skills
What PapaDragon does expect is at least use of proper spelling when interacting with him
I known you are moderator's little butt-boy but providing anal sexual relief for moderators does not absolve you of responsibility of using correct grammar when communicating with people
But I can promise you one thing: should Russia ever build that Anime-class destroyer or that fanart style supercarrier I will personally come to your grave to apologise... and to take a big piss on it
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PapaDragon could you perhaps use less american language? Aren't you supposed to be Serbain or are you jsut an american pretending to be a Serb?
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The-thing-next-door wrote:PapaDragon could you perhaps use less american language? Aren't you supposed to be Serbain or are you jsut an american pretending to be a Serb?
I had no idea America had language, I always assumed that they used English or lately Spanish...
What did I say specifically that indicated such Americanism in your opinion?
Also, isn't this supposed to be English language forum?
And if I were American who wanted to pretend to be someone else why would I pick to pretend to be Serbian? Not exactly primo destination is it?
You have other Serbs here so you can ask them about my Serb-certificate
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PapaDragon wrote:The-thing-next-door wrote:PapaDragon could you perhaps use less american language? Aren't you supposed to be Serbain or are you jsut an american pretending to be a Serb?
I had no idea America had language, I always assumed that they used English or lately Spanish...
What did I say specifically that indicated such Americanism in your opinion?
Also, isn't this supposed to be English language forum?
And if I were American who wanted to pretend to be someone else why would I pick to pretend to be Serbian? Not exactly primo destination is it?
You have other Serbs here so you can ask them about my Serb-certificate
Your repeated use of american slang is ofcourse what I am reffering to I would expect someone from a more civilized country like Serbia to not immotate the common american.
As to why an american would pretend to be a Serb. Lets assume an american internet propagandist wanted to spread their western propaganda on a pro Russian forum claiming to be form a country friendly to Russia would get far better results than listing thier true nationality.
However regardless of whether or not this it true it would be advisable to use a more polite version of english.
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PapaDragon wrote:eehnie wrote:Peŕrier wrote:So, just to cure my own ignorance, how much could/should cost the development of a new russian STOVL aircraft?
Very approssimate guess-stimations will be welcome as well.
Please, don't be shy and put some number forward.
The magical formula of Papadragon: The UAE will pay the cost.
Papadragon never was good on mathematics but this...
Note that Papadragon expect not US sanctions to the UAE, he expects not jail or drone attacks for the UAE terrorists that want to deal with Russia. Papadragon expects not the invasion of the UAE. Papadragon expect the money, in the order of tens of $ Billions going from the UAE to Russia, helping to Russia to reach the "ideal" solutions of their aircraft carriers, and allowing Russia to obtain the "ideal" aircraft for their aircraft carriers. Later with the help of South Korea will obtain the "ideal" aircraft carriers....
Well, he has not mind for more. Just panicking, having spacial attack dreams and all the stuff.
Papadragon is too brocken panicking, but the rest? This deserves a serious answer.
...
Your promises have 0 value, and your claims of degrees have to be proved. Still the alone things you proved is to dominate the US argot and to react like a true US nut. In fact I would say you proved to have very poor mathematical skills saying the red colored part of this quote.
eehnie wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Any costs of developing new STOVL aircraft will be immediately offset by massive savings that will be result of using much cheaper and flexible carrier vessels.
Fake, fake, fake, fake
http://www.jsf.mil/news/docs/20160324_Fact-Sheet.pdf
$55.1 Billion = Development costs F-35 (only Research, Development, Test and Evaluation costs, nothing of procurement, nothing of military construction)
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RS20643.pdf
$04.7 Billion = Development cost G Ford Aircraft Carriers
$12.9 Billion = Cost per unit (CV-78 G Ford Aircraft Carrier)
$11.4 Billion = Cost per unit (CV-79 JF Kennedy Aircraft Carrier)
$13.0 Billion = Cost per unit (CV-80 Enterprise Aircraft Carrier)
$13.0 Billion = My estimation of the Cost per unit (CV-81 ????? Aircraft Carrier)
$55.0 Billion = Total cost of development of the G Ford Aircraft Carriers plus construction of the 4 aircraft carriers
We have here some pro-US liying, like this one, but the reality emerges.
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PapaDragon wrote:eehnie wrote:Peŕrier wrote:So, just to cure my own ignorance, how much could/should cost the development of a new russian STOVL aircraft?
Very approssimate guess-stimations will be welcome as well.
Please, don't be shy and put some number forward.
The magical formula of Papadragon: The UAE will pay the cost.
Papadragon never was good on mathematics but this...
Note that Papadragon expect not US sanctions to the UAE, he expects not jail or drone attacks for the UAE terrorists that want to deal with Russia. Papadragon expects not the invasion of the UAE. Papadragon expect the money, in the order of tens of $ Billions going from the UAE to Russia, helping to Russia to reach the "ideal" solutions of their aircraft carriers, and allowing Russia to obtain the "ideal" aircraft for their aircraft carriers. Later with the help of South Korea will obtain the "ideal" aircraft carriers....
Well, he has not mind for more. Just panicking, having spacial attack dreams and all the stuff.
Papadragon is too brocken panicking, but the rest? This deserves a serious answer.
PapaDragon has an IT degree so worry not about his mathematics skills
What PapaDragon does expect is at least use of proper spelling when interacting with him
I known you are moderator's little butt-boy but providing anal sexual relief for moderators does not absolve you of responsibility of using correct grammar when communicating with people
But I can promise you one thing: should Russia ever build that Anime-class destroyer or that fanart style supercarrier I will personally come to your grave to apologise... and to take a big piss on it
Mods, can you please stop this nerd? How often do we have to read his homoerotic gay fantasies here? how many warnings do you want to write? Bring back the qualitative russiadefence forum.
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One of their own admins uses such words, perhaps they should enforce such words on their staff before trying to tackle the base members.
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Vlad79 is the only admin and controls the website I think you mean moderator?
But I could not agree more this forum needs to be cleansed of all pro western trolls.
But I could not agree more this forum needs to be cleansed of all pro western trolls.