Anybody heard about navalized PAK-FA? Every model of Russian AC seems to carry PAK-FA...
Why wouldn't they... it is smaller and lighter than an Su-27(Su-33) but has rather more installed thrust. together with a EM cat they should be able to launch and recover it on a rather small deck... especially with thrust vectoring engines that the Su-33 does not have...
When Russia changes anything to original planning that´s a disaster of biblical proportions and Putin is the one to blame
He should have used sarcasm tags...
I don't believe at all on navalized PAK-FA.
They have already stated there will be a naval PAK FA.
- Too heavy ! It will suffer from the same fate as the Su 27 : reduced to light AA payload at best.
the naval PAK FA will need to be strengthened for carrier use which will make it heavier, but it is already lighter and smaller and with engines of greater power than the Su-33.
The Su-33 like the Su-27, did not have wet pylons so it couldn't carry external fuel tanks and had basic air to ground capability except perhaps Kh-31 anti ship missiles. If you want to call 350kg AAMs light by the way go ahead but there is not much light about the Su-33s payload capacity.
It would never carry much more operationally... it was an air defence aircraft not a strike aircraft.
the strike role would be performed by the 12 Granits under its flight deck.
- Even US didn't even try to navalize F22
The USAF and USN don't get on. there is no reason why the F-14 and F-15 were needed and there is no reason why the F-16 and F-18 were needed. The F-4 shows they could both have used the same types, but they didn't... and not for performance or operational reasons either.
- Too complex to make his wing mobile
Folding wings are easy... the Su-33 has a folding wing that double folds and a folding tail surface so it fits in the same space a MiG-33 fits with its wing folded...
- Don't believe russian want it, and don't believe india will develop it alone.
Then why do you think their carrier makers put models of them on their carrier models?
What other aircraft will they use instead?
I remember in the late 1970s and early 1980s when models of what was to become the Kusnetsov were revealed they generally had naval models of the MiG-23, but then that is largely because the MiG-29 and Su-27 were still largely secret and they didn't know they could operate them from small carriers without cats.
- The naval PAK-FA is for the future supercarrier so it weight isn't going to be that much of an issue. Besides the PAK-FA will have some powerful engines on it too.
Russia is not going to build a 100K ton super carrier... it will be 60-70K ton at most... similar to existing Kuznetsov in fact, though with nuclear propulsion, EM cats, and no AShMs and more aircraft (including drones).
The greatest issue stems from the L-band radars. But that doesn't rule it out and make it impossible to design folding wings.
They have folding radar arrays in the S-300/S-400 families... there is no reason an L band array that extends the length of the wing could not fold too.
On other hands i doubt Russians will stick with MiG29K for future carriers, coz it will be basically 40 years old design by then.
The MiG-29K can still be further upgraded but a new light 5th gen aircraft would be nice as a cheaper numbers aircraft that can fill gaps and be exported in enormous numbers to a range of allies in a range of levels of performance.
For any AA loadout the Su-33 would not need cats to get airborne... both the Su-33 and MiG-29 can get airborne on land in 250m with a normal weapon load and that is without chocks to run up the engines to full power... and with lower power engines on the land based versions. Also the naval aircraft can have the advantage of the vessel pointing into the wind and sailing forward to further add lift. the Ski jump also assists and the addition of thrust vectoring allows a lift component from the engines while using the optimum lift angle of the wings to improve aerodynamic performance without inducing a stall.
Remember there are three takeoff positions on the K... from the longer takeoff position full fuel and payload for AA mission is possible for the Su-33. For heavier loads with the MiG-29K it can take off with reduced fuel and take more fuel on after take off... and it can also use thrust vectoring to make takeoff easier.
EM cats will mostly benefit with the use of heavy aircraft like AWACS and tankers... of course the ability to carry the new smaller Brahmos-M would be a benefit too.
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