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PAK-FA, T-50: News #3

hoom

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Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #3

hoom Thu May 26, 2016 7:27 am

Right you are Embarassed

Now that I look for it there are plenty of pics of 055 & 054 with the tailcone one.
055 has it on the lerx flaps too.
Couldn't find any identifiable as 051/052/053 with the tailcone sign.

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mack8 Thu May 26, 2016 5:01 pm

056 again: Cool

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zg18 Fri May 27, 2016 3:47 pm

Differences between 5th & 6th prototype

PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 33 HVTSee3

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Berkut Fri May 27, 2016 10:50 pm

Zivo wrote:

hoom wrote:
Radiation sign next to the side radars & on the tail-cone, is this the first with those mounted?

I don't want to dig around, but supposedly the other prototypes had the full radar suite, just not all the stickers.

Not full no. L-band was planned to be fitted to -8, but it hasnt been fitted prior to that.

You missed one quite large mod zg18. Wink

There is bunch of smaller ones too.

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medo Fri May 27, 2016 11:04 pm

Is 056 prototype equipped with Himalaya ECM complex?

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x_54_u43 Sat May 28, 2016 1:54 am

Berkut wrote:

Zivo wrote:

hoom wrote:
Radiation sign next to the side radars & on the tail-cone, is this the first with those mounted?

I don't want to dig around, but supposedly the other prototypes had the full radar suite, just not all the stickers.

Not full no. L-band was planned to be fitted to -8, but it hasnt been fitted prior to that.

You missed one quite large mod zg18. There is bunch of smaller ones too.

The stinger?

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Zivo Sat May 28, 2016 6:01 am

RAM

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Berkut Sat May 28, 2016 2:22 pm

medo wrote:Is 056 prototype equipped with Himalaya ECM complex?

Don't know with 100% certainty - but probably. Not complete L-402 tho, T-50-8 is supposed to get L-band and a more complete L-402. T-50-9 *should* have complete package of all the avionics and equipment.

Yes, i was hinting to stinger, and yes the whole plane is covered in RAM.

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Luq man Sat May 28, 2016 5:53 pm

More pictures of 056:

PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 33 768458_a934f52822ea8cdff10be024fb8968c1

PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 33 768459_16c83e04600683bcebdd20e72bd30c39

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marcellogo Sat May 28, 2016 6:28 pm

Berkut wrote:

medo wrote:Is 056 prototype equipped with Himalaya ECM complex?

Don't know with 100% certainty - but probably. Not complete L-402 tho, T-50-8 is supposed to get L-band and a more complete L-402. T-50-9 *should* have complete package of all the avionics and equipment.

Yes, i was hinting to stinger, and yes the whole plane is covered in RAM.

May it is better to say the whole plane except the new engine cover?

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Zivo Sat May 28, 2016 6:37 pm

I was kind of hoping for a new paint scheme.

It's not like the T-50's even match, they might as well be liberal with the prototype's colors.

May it is better to say the whole plane except the new engine cover?

It doesn't make a lot of sense to apply RAM to a part that has to be opened/removed on the prototypes for tests.

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Guest Sat May 28, 2016 8:14 pm

Wasnt actual RAM paint supposed to be dark gray on PAK-FA.

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x_54_u43 Sat May 28, 2016 8:35 pm

Militarov wrote:Wasnt actual RAM paint supposed to be dark gray on PAK-FA.

RAM has been painted over.

Also, I think RAM is missing in some places, it's definitly not on the engine cowlings and some other places.

Now we wait for the Phase 2 prototypes, didn't some official say it would look similar but have some huge changes?

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kvs Sun May 29, 2016 3:03 am

There was all this bitching in various fora about how the T-50 engines are cylindrical and not angular prisms. This was
supposedly some super major flaw in the design. But it would have been trivial to put angular panels in the same location
where the 056 has white tube sections compared to the 055. The detail that all the F-22 fanboys missed was that
any scatter from the bottom of the aircraft is dominated by the wings and other parts of the body and not the engine
sections. From the side the T-50 has a smaller cross section than the F-22 and the contribution of the cylindrical
engine enclosure is irrelevant. Scatter from the front and back of the T-50 from signals hitting the bottom at some shallow
angle are basically equivalent for cylindrical and angled panels; there is negligible backscatter.

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Berkut Sun May 29, 2016 1:34 pm

Militarov wrote:Wasnt actual RAM paint supposed to be dark gray on PAK-FA.

Paint =/= RAM. They first coat RAM then paint it all. So RAM might as well be pink underneath the paint. RAM is medium gray in color.

x_54_u43 wrote:

Also, I think RAM is missing in some places, it's definitly not on the engine cowlings and some other places.

Now we wait for the Phase 2 prototypes, didn't some official say it would look similar but have some huge changes?

Well, they had issue with fire suppression system on T-50-6-2 so they had to remove cowlings multiple times i bet and just in preparation to flights in general, that is why we see the rivets, otherwise they would be covered by paint/RAM. I dont have any way to prove this; but i bet the cowlings are RAM treated.

And 6-2 IS Phase 2. The designation is kinda of a give away. Wink

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Guest Sun May 29, 2016 2:06 pm

Berkut wrote:

Militarov wrote:Wasnt actual RAM paint supposed to be dark gray on PAK-FA.

Paint =/= RAM. They first coat RAM then paint it all. So RAM might as well be pink underneath the paint. RAM is medium gray in color.

I am aware, however i somehow expected them to keep RAM layer visible on later prototypes to make it easier for maintenance. Or actual surface "colored" paint has part in preserving RAM paint underneath?

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triphosgene Sun May 29, 2016 3:14 pm

Militarov wrote:

I am aware, however i somehow expected them to keep RAM layer visible on later prototypes to make it easier for maintenance. Or actual surface "colored" paint has part in preserving RAM paint underneath?

The pigmented top-coat certainly offers a certain protection to the RAM. Both materials should be designed to work as a sstem, though.

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x_54_u43 Sun May 29, 2016 7:05 pm

Berkut wrote:
And 6-2 IS Phase 2. The designation is kinda of a give away.

Wait what?

So the designation goes T-50-6-2?

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Berkut Sun May 29, 2016 7:48 pm

Yes.

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marcellogo Mon May 30, 2016 9:18 am

Berkut wrote:Yes.

So , now all new prototypes would be phase 2?
And ezactly what are the differences? Initially it was thought that phase 2 would be the one with objekt 30 engines but this is not the case anymore.
So it would encompass structural changes, new materials and/or what other?
And the new engines would be installed on what prototype?

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william.boutros Mon May 30, 2016 5:57 pm

No that this 2. That would the future phase 2. I sispect they would do more than just engines.

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Berkut Mon May 30, 2016 8:34 pm

marcellogo wrote:

Berkut wrote:Yes.

So , now all new prototypes would be phase 2?
And ezactly what are the differences? Initially it was thought that phase 2 would be the one with objekt 30 engines but this is not the case anymore.
So it would encompass structural changes, new materials and/or what other?
And the new engines would be installed on what prototype?

Yes. T-50-6, stopped in production and then reborn as T-50-5R was the last "Phase 1" frame. The difference between them is what you see externally + RAM + heavy reworked airframe (T-50's had major structural issues) + more composites. Now on the last one there are many questions for 6-2 in particular, but it is planned that eventually almost whole surface will be covered in composites on Phase 2.

IIRC it was planned that T-50-9 was supposed to get new engines (doesnt mean Izd.30 necessarily) and currently the plan is to fit Izd.30 to a T-50 in late 2017-early 2018, what frame exactly unknown.

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zg18 Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:46 pm

T-50 in Crimea russia

PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 33 CkLNHl3W0AAmMqo

PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 33 CkLNHGfWUAA2Tu7

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auslander Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:25 pm

That's Feodosya in the southeast coast. Today is the final part of the exercises, for the last over two hours they've been running amok over our harbor and right over our house, literally so close to the house the windows shook, we could smell the fuel and all of our rather large dogs were together in a pile in their palace, said pile roughly 3 cubic centimeters they were huddled so close. They don't like very loud noises.

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GarryB Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:29 pm

If you blinked and missed it and off topic discussion regarding an awful article posted by Militarov is now here:

(from page 12 post 276)

https://www.russiadefence.net/t3764p275-talking-bollocks-thread

Any further comments can go there regarding those issues.

this thread is for the PAK FA only.

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