The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

kvs wrote:If 50,000 is what Kiev can deploy then it has shrunk since the last round of major fighting.   They had over 60,000 last fall.
The rebels have over 40,000 for sure.   They were already around 35,000 in August of 2014.

Given the condition of the Kiev regime forces, I would not expect any success from them.   I can't see NATO advisers and
equipment transforming the regime forces into an effective army.   At best they may not experience the sort of ass kicking they
got before Minsk I and Minsk II.   At best.

sepheronx wrote:i

45K to 50K soldiers?  Someone tell me how many Lugansk and Donetsk regions have in terms of manpower?  If this is indeed true, they are aiming for a full scale attack.

PapaDragon wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:I"m seeing this on twitter and on this forum

Ukraine receives, 68 British missiles "Tosp 15", which he can destroy the Russian airspace defense systems.

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Ukraine receives, 68 British missiles "Tosp 15", which he can destroy the Russian airspace defense systems.

AFAIK this is shot range air defence system, nothing that could be useful against the rebels (no air force) and absolutely useless against RU air force. They might shoot down some drones with this thing but little more than that.

This is given to UKR to make  them feel apreciatted while they are being flushed down the toilet. Remember Saxons that UKR received? This is even less useful than those rust buckets, but they look cool so UAF does not look like complete joke.

Ukraine will not be receiving anything useful or fancy because USA &  UK do not want to see Georgian PR fiasco repeat itself (captured gear paraded on YouTube)

Also, comment about ''Russian airspace defense systems'' sound like something published for local consumption. It also makes zero sense from technical standpoint. Pep talk for canon fodder.

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Nope what I believe is that people in the LPR with or without Kremlin approval, have sold Mozgovoi in order to keep this going the way it is going. Slow burning conflict with nobodies on both sides killing each other. It's cynicism and lies. Mozgovoi was open about who, what, when. He said many things some of our hardcore "meha patrioti" deny even today. He decried the fact that Russia opened a wide front along the Azov sea, but did nothing to relieve Luhansk. It had no issues sending troops and supplies towards Donetsk and made sure those would get to politically sure people, disregarding the actual fighting capabilities and skill of those people. That's what most guys have said so far. People wanted an army, while NVRS needs fighting forces, in any kind and shape.

Cyberspec wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Nope what I believe is that people in the LPR with or without Kremlin approval, have sold Mozgovoi in order to keep this going the way it is going. Slow burning conflict with nobodies on both sides killing each other. It's cynicism and lies. Mozgovoi was open about who, what, when. He said many things some of our hardcore "meha patrioti" deny even today. He decried the fact that Russia opened a wide front along the Azov sea, but did nothing to relieve Luhansk. It had no issues sending troops and supplies towards Donetsk and made sure those would get to politically sure people, disregarding the actual fighting capabilities and skill of those people. That's what most guys have said so far. People wanted an army, while NVRS needs fighting forces, in any kind and shape.

I tend to agree there's something fishy about this....but lets wait and see if more info is released.

BTW, the 2 Russians that were captured a few days ago were also in the LPR. Some are throwing accusations that they were sold out or that the SBU has high placed moles in the LPR

Erk wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Nope what I believe is that people in the LPR with or without Kremlin approval, have sold Mozgovoi in order to keep this going the way it is going. Slow burning conflict with nobodies on both sides killing each other. It's cynicism and lies. Mozgovoi was open about who, what, when. He said many things some of our hardcore "meha patrioti" deny even today. He decried the fact that Russia opened a wide front along the Azov sea, but did nothing to relieve Luhansk. It had no issues sending troops and supplies towards Donetsk and made sure those would get to politically sure people, disregarding the actual fighting capabilities and skill of those people. That's what most guys have said so far. People wanted an army, while NVRS needs fighting forces, in any kind and shape.

I tend to agree there's something fishy about this....but lets wait and see if more info is released.

BTW, the 2 Russians that were captured a few days ago were also in the LPR. Some are throwing accusations that they were sold out or that the SBU has high placed moles in the LPR

Or someone could be trying to increase tensions between LPR and DPR to weaken co-operation against Kiev's next attack.

Смерть укро фашистам wrote:"People live here" [Subtitles] ENG - FRA - DEU - POR - RUS

Russian Insider wrote:BREAKING: Rebel Leader Alexey Mozgovoy Assassinated
9 hours ago

“In this war there will be no victory”

“Ghost” brigade commander Alexey Mozgovoy, along with his spokeswoman and two bodyguards, has been killed in an ambush, according to LifeNews. There seems to be confirmation from other sources as well.

Mozgovoi’s staff have just confirmed his death to me, along with that of his press secretary Anya. Was gunned down just outside Mikhailovka

— Oliver Carroll (@olliecarroll)
May 23, 2015
We can’t help but revisit a recent interview he gave:

OD: What would be for you a victory in this civil war?

AM: In this war there will be no victory.

OD: When will it end?

AM: It will end when the majority of the people will understand that they are being exploited for the benefit of others. On both sides. Nothing new. War has always been, and always will be, a business. The greatest victory will be if we create a government that thinks of the people. Not victory in the war, but victory over ourselves, over our own minds.

OD: Are the people already realising that something is amiss?

AM: That something is not right, yes. Not as much as we would wish. But sooner or later the two opposing sides will find a common language, and only then will they talk a little bit differently with each other. Only then can we create something that is truly popular. So long as people are distracted with “suicide”, we can build nothing here. Those who were conducting black affairs behind our backs will continue to do so. Continue reading.

Kazzura wrote:[eng subs] LPR briefing on Alexei Mozgovoi assassination

eng subs] Alexei Mozgovoi's appeal to soldiers on the both sides of the Civil War

Alexei Mozgovoi assassinated on 23.05.15 on the road from Luhansk to Alchevsk

Алексей Мозговой - Голос народа wrote:
The first step in the development of voenhoza
Alex Brain often appealed for help to the common people. In order not to hang eternal yoke on the neck of the other, the team "Ghost" is investing into the future, investing in the development of its economy, which in due time will allow to help soldiers and their families.
And this video - sort of a report on how funds have been spent, which you need to scroll to the team. Thank you for helping us!

Handling Command Brigade "The Ghost"

LifeNews via Google Translate wrote:Алексей Мозговой погиб в результате покушения
Brainstorming Alex was killed in an attack
19:29 May 23, 2015

The brigade commander, "Ghost", his spokeswoman Anna and two guards came under fire.

LifeNews has learned some of the details of the assassination attempt on one of the leaders of Lugansk militia near Mikhailovka in LC. It turned out that the brigade commander "Ghost," his spokeswoman Anna, two guards and a driver were killed, came under fire. Before minibus, which was the brigade commander and his associates, a mine blew up, and then shot from firearms, including machine guns. Acted subversive group. Continue reading.

sepheronx wrote:

kvs wrote:If 50,000 is what Kiev can deploy then it has shrunk since the last round of major fighting.   They had over 60,000 last fall.
The rebels have over 40,000 for sure.   They were already around 35,000 in August of 2014.

Given the condition of the Kiev regime forces, I would not expect any success from them.   I can't see NATO advisers and
equipment transforming the regime forces into an effective army.   At best they may not experience the sort of ass kicking they
got before Minsk I and Minsk II.   At best.

I remember reading that Donetsk wanted about 100,000 men but ended up somewhere around 80K.  Hopefully someone can confirm this for me.  Add in Lugansk forces, which should be how much?

Nah, the training only happened for 6 months, not even, and only train small amounts at a time.  Rest are probably scared and incapable.  Or Mercenaries.

Flagship Victory wrote:

Erk wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Does this mean that full scale combat is back on?

I seriously hope not, the damage to Donbass infrastructure has gone on for way too long. I was hoping the putsch in Kiev would have collapsed by now, but it seems the west is hell bent on supporting their fighting even though charades like Minsk 2 seem to suggest otherwise.

The longer this goes on, the worse it is for everybody. NAF must make the kill, take Kiev, arrest Poroshenko, restore democracy to Ukraine. Only then would this nightmare finally end.

Flagship Victory wrote:People, please do not underestimate putsch forces. They are trained and armed by the US. Remember how Assad underestimated Syrian rebels earlier this year when they were trained and armed by the US? Then boom Syrian rebels took over Idlib. I believe putsch forces would launch a massive sudden offensive like how Syrian rebels did in Idlib. NAF must be on full alert and full readiness at all times.

Flagship Victory wrote:And I would like to reiterate one again that Russia is under no obligation to do anything to help rebels. Russia's only obligation is safety and wellbeing of it's citizens. They however do provide very generous help to Novorossia at no small cost to themselves and deserve nothing but gratitude.

In Avdiivka biggest coke plant of Ukraine - even of Europe - closed operations as it has been shelled by separatists wrote:

Another powerful shelling Avdeyevka coke plant led to its stop May 24, 2015 [Another powerful shelling Avdeyevka coke plant led to its stop] On Saturday, May 23, was again shelled powerfully Avdiivka Coke Plant (AKHZ) Metinvest Group. At the factory more than 40 shells explode. Victims and survivors among the staff there. This is the second massive shelling plant in the last few days. The shelling on May 21, one person was killed, two injured varying degrees of severity. Railway suffered significant damage and mechanical repair shops. Currently the company has serious destruction in the coke and vuhlepidhotovchomu shops. Shells killed four high-voltage power lines that feed Avdeyevka Coke. Urgently company was stopped. Coke suspended. Once the situation stabilizes, begin work to restore power plant. Recall Avdiivka Coke subjected to intense shelling from July 2014. During this time in the company of more than 200 shells explode. wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:And I would like to reiterate one again that Russia is under no obligation to do anything to help rebels. Russia's only obligation is safety and wellbeing of it's citizens. They however do provide very generous help to Novorossia at no small cost to themselves and deserve nothing but gratitude.

If that were the case, Putin would have stayed out of Crimea and abandoned it to Maidan. What makes Donbas different from Crimea? Donbas is even more pro Russia than Crimea. How many died in Crimea? How many died in Donbas? The answer is very clear. In fact, the people of Donbas asked to join Russia and Putin turned them down, the people of Donbas asked for Russian peacekeepers to stop the genocide and Putin turned them down.