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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

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    Post  Akula971 Thu May 28, 2015 4:38 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:stephan herzog ‏@teleherzog 9h9 hours ago

    27.5/16:10 в районе #Александровка был мощный взрыв near the settlement #Alexandrovka massive explosion #Novorossiya

    Today??

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    That looks like something from a 2S7 Pion. Or his cousin, Malka.
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    Post  kvs Thu May 28, 2015 4:58 am

    The days of the Kiev regime are numbered. The economy is swirling around the toilet bowl. Russia just needs to sit and
    wait. Then make its move.

    If Russia was really strong enough, then the whole Ukraine disaster would never have happened in the first place. But
    Russia is not so weak that it must inevitably lose to NATO's machinations.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 28, 2015 5:10 am

    You have never seen this before happening in the world..
    Not even under Hitler times.. US and nation that do not play football at all ,going
    as far as to claim jurisdiction for corruption happening in a sport association in Europe?
    So now the FBI no longer is a police for american territories but also now claim the authority to intervent in Europe? lol1

    How can Europeans tolerate so much bullshit?
    Without massive protest ?

    US government so desperate to isolate Russia from the world.. that are attacking
    the FIFA organization.. to either stop hosting the world coup in 2018 in Russia..
    or create a new organization.. with puppets leaders in control of it..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbdtBSPsPQ

    I really blame for the disaster the world is.. to Europe..for allowing Americans to take
    control of their Laws ,Financing system and Politics.. That now you have a Fascist Power
    even Boycotting sports events in Russia.. Just to not allow them to repeat another Sochi..
    and help its world image at organizing world events..

    The American NEOCONS are really jealous at Russia and simply wants to blockade as much as
    possible any opportunity for Russia to influence the world.. like World Sports events are.. towards visiting their nation.

    Free Market that Americans so much promote is BULSHIT . US government is not run as a free market.. it actually controls heavily the business in their nation and the business of their allies to tell them who they can trade or not.. Is a dictatorship business and people in the White House or US Senate dictate ,the business that will be allowed or not.. in their controlled puppet nations. US government only support Free Market when its convenient for them.. but whenever is not ..it use Sanctions against their competition ,to blockade the free market they so much promote.

    I really think in the end they will fail miserably...
    Russia can do their own world cup,regardless if FIFA is disbanded or not by Americans.
    with Latin America ,and Asia.. and many countries in Europe that will disobey orders from
    the arrogant americans who believe the world is their property and can run it in any way
    they want.  Russia can pretty much run a world even instead from mexico to argentina ,and then call Spain ,France and Germany and then you have there the best teams of all.. US or CANADA and UK.. ie .. the anglozionist powers and their Baltic colonies not needed at all.
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    Post  Zivo Thu May 28, 2015 5:48 am

    Fmr. Polish President Aleksander Kwaśniewski:

    "Ukraine will return to Russia in its entirety and without bloodshed"

    "Moscow will continue to exert economic pressure on Ukraine, it will utilize propaganda, will seek other means to get all of Ukraine back," said Kwasniewski. He believes that in the scenario that Russia has in store for Ukraine, a new political leadership will be established in Kiev through Maidan No. 3. "This leadership will have nothing against Europe, but it will say: We are not dreaming about anything impossible. Our dreams are totally realistic. And Russia is that realistic dream," predicted the former Polish president.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/05/kwasniewski-ukraine-will-return-to.html

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu May 28, 2015 5:55 am

    The Obama Administration is claiming a lot of jurisdiction in a lot of things that it legally doesn't have. It's awful.

    for example

    Oklahoma attorney general vows to sue Obama administration over Clean Water Act rule

    http://newsok.com/oklahoma-attorney-general-vows-to-sue-obama-administration-over-clean-water-act-rule/article/5390677
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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 28, 2015 7:52 am

    Really Interesting Interview and must read..
    From one of the TOP analyst of Russia that works for Federal Government..
    This is not a wannabe expert.. but the top analyst in Russia Federation.. the master.
    and is really interesting what he said recently..

    He expect War in Ukraine to Resume soon.in summer..
    But he also predict of a euromaidan 3.0 with a resistance to kiev and friendly
    and or Neutral to Russia.. What is even more interesting  Smile  of his interview is that he spoke
    about US government in terms of 2 factions , one the WhiteHouse and Senate and congress.
    and the other the people hidden as he calls them.. or the Shadow government.  Smile
    People that remain in the shadows and runs the show or significantly run the US policy.
    This is a must read..


    Russia's Chief Intelligence Analyst Comes Out of the Shadows


    And what does this notorious “world government” need?

    It is easier to say what they don’t need: they don’t need a federal Ukraine, such a territory will be hard to control. It will be impossible to deploy their military bases, a new ABM echelon there. And there are such plans. From Lugansk and Kharkov tactical cruise missiles can reach behind the Urals, where our main nuclear deterrence forces are located. And they can hit silo-based and road-mobile ballistic missiles on the ascent trajectory with a 100% probability. Currently this area is not reachable by them neither from Poland nor from Turkey nor from the South-East Asia. This is the main goal. So the US will fight for Donbass to the last Ukrainian.


    That is, the joint Russian-American fight against terror, in particular, against ISIS – is a fiction?

    Of course. America creates terrorists, feeds them, trains them, and then gives an order to the whole pack: “catch”. Perhaps, they can shoot one “rabid dog” in the whole pack, but the other dogs will be set even more actively.


    Leonid Petrovich : ..., you think that the USA and the American presidents are just an instrument. Who do you think determine their policy?

    There are communities of people who are effectively unknown to the public, which not only determine the American presidents but also determine the rules of the whole “big game”. In particular, these are the transnational financial corporations. But not only them.

    Currently there is an ongoing process of reformatting the financial and the economical system of the world. Clearly, there is an attempt to rethink the whole structure of capitalism without rejecting it. The foreign policy is subject to rapid change. The US suddenly effectively abandoned Israel – their main ally in the Middle East for the sake of improving the relations with Iran. Is it because now Tehran is more valuable and more important than Tel-Aviv? Because it is among the countries around Russia. These covert forces set the goal of liquidating our country as a serious player on the global stage. Because Russia is a civilizational alternative to the whole united west.

    Moreover, there is an explosive growth of anti-American sentiment in the world. Hungary, where the conservative right-wing forces are in power, and Greece’s left-wingers — diametrically opposed forces — effectively united and “bucked” against the US dictate in Europe. There are also those who may “buck” in Italy, Austria, in France, and so on. If Russia will now stand its ground, then the processes that are not beneficial to the forces who seek to claim the global domination will start in Europe. And these forces perfectly understand this.

    Some European leaders already lament that the USA effectively forced sanctions on them. Europe may break out of the “friendly” American embrace?

    Never. America holds her on several chains: the Federal Reserve printing press, the threat of color-coded revolutions and of the physical elimination of unwanted politicians.

    Are you exaggerating about the physical elimination part?

    Not at all. The Central Intelligence Agency of the USA is not even an intelligence service based on the level of the tasks set before it. The PGU KGB or the SVR of the RF are classical intelligence services: information gathering and reporting to the leadership of the country. In the CIA these traditional features of an intelligence service are at the end of the list of its problems. The main goals are: elimination, which included physical elimination, of the politicians and the organization of coups.

    And they do this in real time.

    After the loss of the “Kursk” submarine, the CIA director George Tenet visited us. I was asked to meet him in the airport. Tenet was slow to exit the airplane, but the apparel was open so I could peek inside his “Hercules”. This was a flying headquarters, the operational computer center, which was full of equipment and communications systems that can track and model the situation in the whole world. The accompanying delegation — twenty people. As for us — we flew and fly regular flights, in 2-5 person teams. You can feel the difference, so to say.


    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-chief-intelligence-analyst-comes-out-shadows/ri7475

    So there you have it.. the Russian Intelligence expect Kiev to lose Power and be overthrow
    without Russia invading or firing a single shot.. By a resistance that will take control of Ukraine.
    they also say Ukraine will disband in many parts..  something that i also was saying.. and this is when Russian ARmy will be ideal for they to invade Ukraine.. when the entire nation collapse
    and people take the streets in millions and ask Russia for help.. for protection .. and thats when Russia will invade. When there are hundreds of thousands or millions on the streets seeking to create a new Government.
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu May 28, 2015 8:40 am

    Werewolf wrote:This sign on the helmet is not nazi symbole and not a swastika it is an old slavic sign of the sun the Sun-circle.

    It's called a Kolovrat and is a variation of the swastika....It is an attribute of the Slavic solar deity, Svarog, the god of fire, heavenly light, or Sun Eternal


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    From the Novorosija Army thread...

    The 5th Tank Brigade of the Russian Army (or at least part of it) during the Debaltsevo operation...the source is of the "Slava Ukraini" type so probably exagerated to an extent.....looks like a significant portion of the Brigade personell are of the Buryat ethnicity

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    Post  Khepesh Thu May 28, 2015 8:59 am

    Vann7 wrote:Really Interesting Interview and must read..
    From one of the TOP analyst of Russia that works for Federal Government..
    This is not a wannabe expert.. but the top analyst in Russia Federation.. the master.
    and is really interesting what he said recently..

    He expect War in Ukraine to Resume soon.in summer..
    But he also predict of a euromaidan 3.0 with a resistance to kiev and friendly
    and or Neutral to Russia.. What is even more interesting  Smile  of his interview is that he spoke
    about US government in terms of 2 factions , one the WhiteHouse and Senate and congress.
    and the other the people hidden as he calls them.. or the Shadow government.  Smile
    People that remain in the shadows and runs the show or significantly run the US policy.
    This is a must read..



    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-chief-intelligence-analyst-comes-out-shadows/ri7475

    So there you have it.. the Russian Intelligence expect Kiev to lose Power and be overthrow
    without Russia invading or firing a single shot.. By a resistance that will take control of Ukraine.
    they also say Ukraine will disband in many parts..  something that i also was saying.. and this is when Russian ARmy will be ideal for they to invade Ukraine.. when the entire nation collapse
    and people take the streets in millions and ask Russia for help.. for protection .. and thats when Russia will invade. When there are hundreds of thousands or millions on the streets seeking to create a new Government.
    This is essentially what I have been saying for months, that the war will resume in summer, late July or early August, and that a ukrops defeat on the battlefield will probably cause chaos in Kiev and possibly an uprising in some cities, and that Russia should only invade if all Ukraine collapses in chaos and serious bloodshed needs to be stopped. Last night I came close to saying war had started, but that was a very strange sequence of attacks and certainly began to look like a precursor to war, all quiet now. America interferring in Ukraine the way it has, and the trolling it carries out, are the foothills of war. It does not necessarily mean there will be war, or that I am "talking up" a war, but what America is doing is so dangerous that one wrong move, one miscalculation, and we can easily slide into war. It is better to prepare for war and presume there will be war than not be prepared. If there is not war, then a pleasant surprise. If there is war and it is not expected or prepared for, then a bad surprise. I prefer pleasant surprise. In 1914 nobody thought there would be a major war, and it is only in hindsight when it is long over do we see that it was obvious. To me, what is happening in the world now looks very much like a descent into war, a war entirely the fault of America.
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    Post  whir Thu May 28, 2015 9:23 am

    New York Times wrote:Armed With Google and YouTube, Analysts Gauge Russia’s Presence in Ukraine
    By MICHAEL R. GORDONMAY 27, 2015

    WASHINGTON — An unusual investigation using publicly available videos, smartphone photographs and satellite images shows that Russia is continuing to defy the West by conducting protracted military operations inside Ukraine, according to an independent report.

    Russia has long dismissed Western allegations that its military has intervened in Ukraine as little more than computer-generated propaganda.

    In an attempt to puncture the Russian denials, independent experts have operated like digital Sherlock Holmeses, using Google’s Street View, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, satellite photographs and Russia’s version of Facebook, including social media updates by Russian soldiers. That research was then supplemented by more traditional sources like court documents and local media reports.

    “Independent researchers, using open sources and rigorous methodology, have demonstrated that Russian troops and Russian weapons have been an important part of the fight in Ukraine’s east,” said John E. Herbst, a former American ambassador to Ukraine and one of the authors of the report, Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin’s War in Ukraine, which is to be released Thursday by the Atlantic Council, a Washington-based research center. Continue reading.

    Reuters wrote:Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness
    World | Wed May 27, 2015 4:52pm EDT KHUTOR CHKALOVA, RUSSIA | BY MARIA TSVETKOVA

    Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week.

    Many of the vehicles have number plates and identifying marks removed while many of the servicemen had taken insignia off their fatigues. As such, they match the appearance of some of the forces spotted in eastern Ukraine, which Kiev and its Western allies allege are covert Russian detachments.

    The scene at the base on the Kuzminsky firing range, around 50 km (30 miles) from the border, offers some of the clearest evidence to date of what appeared to be a concerted Russian military build-up in the area.

    Earlier this month, NATO military commander General Philip Breedlove said he believed the separatists were taking advantage of a ceasefire that came into force in February to re-arm and prepare for a new offensive. However, he gave no specifics. Continue reading.
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    Post  Erk Thu May 28, 2015 9:30 am

    whir wrote:
    New York Times wrote:Armed With Google and YouTube, Analysts Gauge Russia’s Presence in Ukraine
    By MICHAEL R. GORDONMAY 27, 2015

    WASHINGTON — An unusual investigation using publicly available videos, smartphone photographs and satellite images shows that Russia is continuing to defy the West by conducting protracted military operations inside Ukraine, according to an independent report.

    Russia has long dismissed Western allegations that its military has intervened in Ukraine as little more than computer-generated propaganda.

    In an attempt to puncture the Russian denials, independent experts have operated like digital Sherlock Holmeses, using Google’s Street View, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, satellite photographs and Russia’s version of Facebook, including social media updates by Russian soldiers. That research was then supplemented by more traditional sources like court documents and local media reports.

    “Independent researchers, using open sources and rigorous methodology, have demonstrated that Russian troops and Russian weapons have been an important part of the fight in Ukraine’s east,” said John E. Herbst, a former American ambassador to Ukraine and one of the authors of the report, Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin’s War in Ukraine, which is to be released Thursday by the Atlantic Council, a Washington-based research center. Continue reading.

    Reuters wrote:Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness
    World | Wed May 27, 2015 4:52pm EDT KHUTOR CHKALOVA, RUSSIA | BY MARIA TSVETKOVA

    Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week.

    Many of the vehicles have number plates and identifying marks removed while many of the servicemen had taken insignia off their fatigues. As such, they match the appearance of some of the forces spotted in eastern Ukraine, which Kiev and its Western allies allege are covert Russian detachments.

    The scene at the base on the Kuzminsky firing range, around 50 km (30 miles) from the border, offers some of the clearest evidence to date of what appeared to be a concerted Russian military build-up in the area.

    Earlier this month, NATO military commander General Philip Breedlove said he believed the separatists were taking advantage of a ceasefire that came into force in February to re-arm and prepare for a new offensive. However, he gave no specifics. Continue reading.
    Photos of the tanks crossing into Ukraine would be the minimum practical evidence. ATM the photos mean little being taken in Russia. There is lots of military exercises going on in Matveev Kurgan this week.
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    Post  whir Thu May 28, 2015 11:01 am

    Huffington Post wrote:Note to Ukraine: Time to Reconsider Your Historic Role Models
    Nikolas Kozloff Author, 'Revolution! South America and the Rise of the New Left' Posted: 05/27/2015 2:10 pm EDT Updated: 05/27/2015 5:59 pm EDT

    In the midst of tumultuous political and social ferment, as well as escalating military conflict with Russian-backed separatists, Ukraine is casting about for a national identity. What are the country's relevant values and symbols? As a relatively new and independent nation, Ukraine is seeking to answer such profound and pressing questions. The recent Maidan revolution, which in many ways highlighted Ukrainian nationalism, has only served to accentuate Ukraine's deep psychological soul searching.

    As the country seeks to sort out the post-Maidan milieu, Ukraine must also wrestle with its thorny political history. Who are the most important historic role models worthy of praise and emulation? At this point it's too early to say who will win this contested battle over Ukrainian history. Unfortunately however, Ukraine seems to have elevated more conservative and right wing historic figures while neglecting or even obliterating the memory of its own liberal and more radical leftist past. Continue reading.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu May 28, 2015 11:11 am

    http://russian.rt.com/article/94191

    Explosion in kiev, 1 dead. Dunno if this is an accident or related to anything important as of yet though.
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    Post  whir Thu May 28, 2015 11:21 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:Explosion in kiev, 1 dead. Dunno if this is an accident or related to anything important as of yet though.
    Banditry?
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu May 28, 2015 11:27 am

    whir wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:Explosion in kiev, 1 dead. Dunno if this is an accident or related to anything important as of yet though.
    Banditry?

    No idea yet, could well be a gas pipe for all we know. I thought id post it just in case. One of the comments made me laugh:

    'A ukrop with a grenade, is like a woman behind the wheel'

    No offence cowboys daughter Smile
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    Post  whir Thu May 28, 2015 11:53 am

    pika4u1000 wrote:In Donbass went 28th Russian Emergencies Ministry convoy
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    Post  whir Thu May 28, 2015 12:39 pm

    Not kosher

    TASS wrote:Putin amends list of state secrets — presidential decree
    Russia  May 28, 12:52 UTC+3

    In particular, the phrase "information disclosing losses in manpower in wartime" has been complemented with the amendment reading "in peacetime during special operations"

    MOSCOW, May 28. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has amended the list of state secrets, approved under a presidential decree of November 30, 1995. The corresponding document has been published on the official portal of official legal information.

    In particular, the phrase "information disclosing losses in manpower in wartime" has been complemented with the amendment reading "in peacetime during special operations." Continue reading.

    ...and

    TASS wrote:US cannot confirm media reports of Russian mobile crematoriums in Ukraine
    World May 28, 11:06 UTC+3

    The allegations suggested that Russia has brought mobile crematoriums to Ukraine to hide the bodies of its dead soldiers

    NEW YORK, May 28. /TASS/. The US State Department cannot confirm media reports alleging that Russia has delivered mobile crematoriums to Ukraine, US State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told CNN on Wednesday. However, she continued to claim that Russia was trying to hide its presence in Ukraine.

    This issue was raised on Tuesday by US media that referred to US lawmakers who visited Ukraine, and some US intelligence data. These allegations suggest that Russia has brought mobile crematoriums to Ukraine to hide the bodies of its dead soldiers.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in connection with these reports that "Frankly speaking, I doubt that these statements are trustworthy." The presidential spokesman said "of course, such allegations cast doubt that those who have published them are sane." "I do not say about those who have potentially voiced them," he added. Continue reading.


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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 28, 2015 1:47 pm

    whir wrote:Not kosher

    TASS wrote:Putin amends list of state secrets — presidential decree
    Russia  May 28, 12:52 UTC+3

    In particular, the phrase "information disclosing losses in manpower in wartime" has been complemented with the amendment reading "in peacetime during special operations"

    MOSCOW, May 28. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has amended the list of state secrets, approved under a presidential decree of November 30, 1995. The corresponding document has been published on the official portal of official legal information.

    In particular, the phrase "information disclosing losses in manpower in wartime" has been complemented with the amendment reading "in peacetime during special operations." Continue reading.

    Not at all.

    He isn't expected to admit anything of course, but I wouldn't want journalists' work to be hindered.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu May 28, 2015 3:18 pm

    Gorvashev is showing his face again.. the Retard calls for Russia to back down and
    stop confronting the west ..  Shocked

    SO what this really means?

    What the west wants?

    Did gorvachev still today have doubts of what the west wants? after Russia accept to do what the west wanted what they did? didn't so called friends in the west began to move their military bases with nukes close to Russian borders?

    1)The west wants that Russia stop supporting Novorossiya and allows the CIAnazis to wipe them.
    2)The west wants that Russia give up back Crimea and allow the nazis to wipe them. and take
    control of Russia naval base.
    3)The west wants to install a missile wall at Russian borders with capabilities to interrupt any capability of Russia to defend itself from an American attack.. Also allow US to move all their their nuclear weapons close to Russia borders and aim at moscow.
    4)Americans wants Russia to disband the nation and allow Chechens and any other republic non Russian to disband..

    In short americans wants Russia to cease to exist and Gorvashev is asking for a negotiation
    for that. Neutral

    SO just like Kudrin , gorvachev ask for Russia to negotiate
    the nation security , territorial integrity and the life of Russian People and the help of its allies.
    In other words Gorvashev is asking for Russia to submit to the American exceptionalism and allow to give away its role in the world and let americans completely disband their nation without a fight.

    I really hope when the crisis in Ukraine is over.. Gorvashev is hanged in public with Kudrin arrested for life for treason for promoting the destruction of their nation.The damages caused by Gorvashev with the Perestroika and cooperation with the west ,is a long list without end.
    And many former soviet republic now experience a potential war/conflict consequence of the split from Russia. and consequence of Russia losing its power of confronting NATO in their split of Central Europe. With millions of Russian trapped in NATO countries or potential NATO countries.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu May 28, 2015 4:01 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    whir wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:Explosion in kiev, 1 dead. Dunno if this is an accident or related to anything important as of yet though.
    Banditry?

    No idea yet, could well be a gas pipe for all we know. I thought id post it just in case. One of the comments made me laugh:

                                         'A ukrop with a grenade, is like a woman behind the wheel'

    No offence cowboys daughter Smile

    Very Happy None taken.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu May 28, 2015 4:18 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Gorvashev is showing his face again.. the Retard calls for Russia to back down and
    stop confronting the west ..  Shocked

    SO what this really means?

    What the west wants?

    Did gorvachev still today have doubts of what the west wants? after Russia accept to do what the west wanted what they did? didn't so called friends in the west began to move their military bases with nukes close to Russian borders?

    1)The west wants that Russia stop supporting Novorossiya and allows the CIAnazis to wipe them.
    2)The west wants that Russia give up back Crimea and allow the nazis to wipe them. and take
    control of Russia naval base.
    3)The west wants to install a missile wall at Russian borders with capabilities to interrupt any capability of Russia to defend itself from an American attack.. Also allow US to move all their their nuclear weapons close to Russia borders and aim at moscow.
    4)Americans wants Russia to disband the nation and allow Chechens and any other republic non Russian to disband..

    In short americans wants Russia to cease to exist and Gorvashev is asking for a negotiation
    for that. Neutral

    SO just like Kudrin , gorvachev ask for Russia to negotiate
    the nation security , territorial integrity and the life of Russian People and the help of its allies.
    In other words Gorvashev is asking for Russia to submit to the American exceptionalism and allow to give away its role in the world and let americans completely disband their nation without a fight.

    I really hope when the crisis in Ukraine is over.. Gorvashev is hanged in public with Kudrin arrested for life for treason for promoting the destruction of their nation.The damages caused by Gorvashev with the Perestroika and cooperation with the west ,is a long list without end.
    And many former soviet republic now experience a potential war/conflict consequence of the split from Russia. and consequence of Russia losing its power of confronting NATO in their split of Central Europe. With millions of Russian trapped in NATO countries or potential NATO countries.
    How is it possible for a great country like Russia to have leaders such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin with one succeeding the other?

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    Post  auslander Thu May 28, 2015 4:20 pm

    What you are seeing for the last almost three weeks is several operations together. They are blooding their troops, they are doing probes and recons in force and last but surely not least they are, as the orcs are wont to do, simply seeing how much they can get away with before NAF strikes back, that in regards to the bombardments and general destruction.

    Do not expect a single word of condemnation or criticism from USEU, it is not going to happen. When NAF has had enough and strikes back, that is when you will see USEU scream bloody murder.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 28, 2015 4:28 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Gorvashev is showing his face again.. the Retard calls for Russia to back down and
    stop confronting the west ..  Shocked

    SO what this really means?

    What the west wants?

    Did gorvachev still today have doubts of what the west wants? after Russia accept to do what the west wanted what they did? didn't so called friends in the west began to move their military bases with nukes close to Russian borders?

    1)The west wants that Russia stop supporting Novorossiya and allows the CIAnazis to wipe them.
    2)The west wants that Russia give up back Crimea and allow the nazis to wipe them. and take
    control of Russia naval base.
    3)The west wants to install a missile wall at Russian borders with capabilities to interrupt any capability of Russia to defend itself from an American attack.. Also allow US to move all their their nuclear weapons close to Russia borders and aim at moscow.
    4)Americans wants Russia to disband the nation and allow Chechens and any other republic non Russian to disband..

    In short americans wants Russia to cease to exist and Gorvashev is asking for a negotiation
    for that. Neutral

    SO just like Kudrin , gorvachev ask for Russia to negotiate
    the nation security , territorial integrity and the life of Russian People and the help of its allies.
    In other words Gorvashev is asking for Russia to submit to the American exceptionalism and allow to give away its role in the world and let americans completely disband their nation without a fight.

    I really hope when the crisis in Ukraine is over.. Gorvashev is hanged in public with Kudrin arrested for life for treason for promoting the destruction of their nation.The damages caused by Gorvashev with the Perestroika and cooperation with the west ,is a long list without end.
    And many former soviet republic now experience a potential war/conflict consequence of the split from Russia. and consequence of Russia losing its power of confronting NATO in their split of Central Europe. With millions of Russian trapped in NATO countries or potential NATO countries.
    How is it possible for a great country like Russia to have leaders such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin with one succeeding the other?


    One forced power from the other. there is a pretty famous video somewhere with photos of tanks near Kremlin and Yeltsin demanding for Grobachev to step down. Gorbachev fled to his dacha in.....sochi? Dont remember where he was then put under house arrest. All the american democratic way.

    These days, people like Kudrin, Gorbachev, and the fifth coloumnist scumbags, dont need to be arrested or killed. Most are hated by their own people with a very small fringe of fans. And who knows if these fans are even Russians. But regardless, they destroyed their own image, and most of them are Russias skeletons in the closet from the 90's.

    They are praised here in the west, they always get the limelight. But they are not some sort of superstars where it matters - back home. And give it more time, they may screw up even more and get themselves arrested. But time is the greatest weapon, as these guys will die someday, and fade away as nothing but a stain on history and a bad memory.

    Russians are not dumb people, as that has clearly been proven. They seem to be far more calculated people and taking chances while still showing patience. Somethinf I cannot do, as I lack patience.
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    Post  franco Thu May 28, 2015 4:52 pm

    "One forced power from the other. there is a pretty famous video somewhere with photos of tanks near Kremlin and Yeltsin demanding for Grobachev to step down. Gorbachev fled to his dacha in.....sochi? Dont remember where he was then put under house arrest. All the american democratic way."

    You had better research that one. Realize it was before your time but Communist Party hardliners tried a coup. Gorby was arrested and held under house arrest in Sochi while Yelstin rallied the country against the coup. Most Army units refused to get involved and those that did soon found their troops switching sides and refusing to attack. The rest came after the coup was defeated.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 28, 2015 4:56 pm

    franco wrote:"One forced power from the other. there is a pretty famous video somewhere with photos of tanks near Kremlin and Yeltsin demanding for Grobachev to step down. Gorbachev fled to his dacha in.....sochi? Dont remember where he was then put under house arrest. All the american democratic way."

    You had better research that one. Realize it was before your time but Communist Party hardliners tried a coup. Gorby was arrested and held under house arrest in Sochi while Yelstin rallied the country against the coup. Most Army units refused to get involved and those that did soon found their troops switching sides and refusing to attack. The rest came after the coup was defeated.

    It happened when I was young. I was born in 80's. It was a coup no less so hence the switch between two jackasses getting power.  These two destroyed the nation. How Gorby became head of the party is beyond me really. If Yeltsin simply tried to stop the coup, he obviously did a good job as it destroyed their image and nations well being. Sorry for my error then, as I thought it was a power struggle between the two.
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    Post  auslander Thu May 28, 2015 5:49 pm

    franco wrote:"One forced power from the other. there is a pretty famous video somewhere with photos of tanks near Kremlin and Yeltsin demanding for Grobachev to step down. Gorbachev fled to his dacha in.....sochi? Dont remember where he was then put under house arrest. All the american democratic way."

    You had better research that one. Realize it was before your time but Communist Party hardliners tried a coup. Gorby was arrested and held under house arrest in Sochi while Yelstin rallied the country against the coup. Most Army units refused to get involved and those that did soon found their troops switching sides and refusing to attack. The rest came after the coup was defeated.

    The fighting around central Mockba was pretty strong at times including tanks, one of which fired at the White House and set it ablaze. If my aging memory serves it was Ruskoi and Hazbulatov who were the leaders of the coup attempt and it was their offices in the WH that the tank was firing at, from the other side of the river again if memory serves. The fighting in and around Mockba TV and Radio was also very strong including in the main building. The coup makers wanted to capture TV and Radio to control the informations being disseminated. They failed. In general the coup was the damnedest thing you would ever see, citizens standing on street corners watching fighting going on not 50 meters from them. Needless to say some of them died. There was great confusion among Militsiya and the armed forces, some refusing to get involved, some fighting for the coup and some fighting against the coup. There were and are to this day rumors that Gorbachev was involved with the coup makers. Fighting also spread to some of the suburbs of Mockba, in particular Stoxonohe District where there was a heck of a fight for the Militsiya Station. Stroxonohe District has a small claim to fame in that it was in that district that the German Army came their closest to Mockba, that and the district was home to a fairly large contingent of field grade officers from KGB and armed forces.

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