The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

Flagship Victory wrote:

mack8 wrote:Hey there Flagship Victory, i  understand that you don't like Putin, you have made it clear more than once, but you keep repeating the same mantra ad nauseaum and you are continually posting the same thing, it's wearing a bit thin now, not to mention you have thrown accusations of trolling against another member that appear unfounded. Fine, you don't like Putin, you don't like the current russian government policy (there are things i do not agree as well, whether rightly or wrongly remains to be seen though), you made it clear, now let's move on, there are a lot of important events, news and posts from other members about the situation in Ukraine that risk being flooded  by your posts about Putin. If you are well intended, acting accordingly would be appreciated. If not then i and perhaps others will consider the next step. No disrespect.

I got nothing against Putin. He is what is he, president of Russia, elected by fair election, unlike that Poro guy who took power from Maidan coup. To me at least, Putin is an extremely stubborn guy, asking for Donbas to be part of Ukraine when the reality is that is not in the least bit possible. Putin could have drafted a UN resolution on Crimea in March 2014 before the US took the initiative to do so. Quite possibly, Putin is the most timid, the most stubborn man in the whole wide world. He has so many tools at his disposal. He never uses any of those tools to the benefit of Russia. Word of advice, elect Mironov in 2018. This guy is good, REAL good.

Flagship Victory wrote:Vann7, no none of that is good enough reason. How long does it take to implement ceasefire? Already it's been over 3 months since signing and there has been no ceasefire for a single day. People continue to die every single day. How long does it take to implement ceasefire? 3 years? 30 years? Minsk 2 is not acceptable without a concrete deadline. You are holding too much hope putsch will stop firing becasuse of economy. Yes putsch will default. So what? The US has also defaulted. It won't stop the killing. Putin needs to set a strict date. If putsch does not stop firing by this date, then no more Minsk 2. Playing with the lives of civilians is not a game.

Flagship Victory wrote:
That's right, the people of Donbass should listen to you and reject the humanitarian aid convoys Putin has been sending for the past year and just die of starvation.
Do you think sending aid is cheap? Try to do it sometime. I think your anti-Putin trolling is going on a bit too long.

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There is no corruption in Ukraine




This photo was taken two days ago. The eldest daughter of the chief of traffic police of Ukraine - Anastasia Ershova and ... Paris Hilton. Nightclub in Cannes in the South of France. Before that, in six months Anastasia managed to vacation in at least 10 parts of the world - from Saint-Tropez to Monte Carlo, from Samui island to Miami.

Of course this lifestyle is provided by her design studio Atelier HandMade. Not her dad, a civil servant, the head of traffic police. What's more - with her business she supports the whole family - bought SUV's for herself, parents and younger sister, for grandma and uncle, and built a house for the parents.

The Ukrainian government is on the brink of declaring default.

The Ukrainian government has proposed a bill allowing the government to impose a “moratorium” on payment of the country’s external debts.

Such a moratorium is just another word for a default.

It is the same device the Russian government used when it defaulted on its external debt in 1998.

This is not quite the end of Ukraine’s debt saga. Ukraine will only be formally in default when it misses a payment.

It is possible Ukraine has taken this step as a negotiating tactic to put more pressure on its Western creditors.

It is also possible Ukraine is hoping to preserve some financial credibility by picking and choosing which creditors it will pay.

As we have discussed previously, it might try to go on paying its Western creditors while defaulting on the debts it owes to Russia.

In truth, as has been pointed out by several people — notably by Eric Kraus — the numbers of the various IMF plans have never added up, and a default looked increasingly inevitable from the moment the Maidan coup happened, when it became clear the Ukrainian government was heading into a confrontation with its economically critically important eastern regions and with its biggest trade partner Russia.

The accelerating collapse of Ukraine’s economy (with GDP contracting by 17% in the first quarter by comparison with last year) and the deadlock in the negotiations with the Western creditors, appears to have made today’s default announcement unavoidable.

Vann7 wrote:

http://russia-insider.com/en/business/ukraine-prepares-default/ri7117

This is probably the reason Ukraine is saying is in "a real  war with Russia" , because
if Russia attacks ukraine they will be somehow in no obligation to pay their debts ..
but not sure.. could be a tactic.

Vann7 wrote:More news of the good life of Family of Ukraine top leadership in kiev..

Life is good for the offspring of the Kiev junta

There is no corruption in Ukraine




This photo was taken two days ago. The eldest daughter of the chief of traffic police of Ukraine - Anastasia Ershova and ... Paris Hilton. Nightclub in Cannes in the South of France. Before that, in six months Anastasia managed to vacation in at least 10 parts of the world - from Saint-Tropez to Monte Carlo, from Samui island to Miami.

Of course this lifestyle is provided by her design studio Atelier HandMade. Not her dad, a civil servant, the head of traffic police. What's more - with her business she supports the whole family - bought SUV's for herself, parents and younger sister, for grandma and uncle, and built a house for the parents.

you saw that? in 6 months in 10 parts of the world.. how expensive that should be.
since when chief of police earn so much ? she even got for birthday a bran new car..
it was posted somehwere.  Since when Police chief earn so much money in Ukraine?
to enjoy a life of millionaire?  

The former defense ministry is even enjoying life better..
He earned in 1 year more than Putin ,Merkel ,Obama ,Hollande and all leaders of the European Union combined !!!! how in hell he could have a mansion of 36 millions $ dollars.. that only
billionaires can afford.  IT can't be possible that bastard made that money without doing something incredibly illegal and criminal.. oh wait..  he lead the war the first year on eastern Ukraine.. that bastard need to be put in JAIL ..

Really i will want when the war is over, all those Kiev Bastard who traded the blood of
thousands civilians for the millions they got from the Americans for sponsoring the coup,
that are hanged in public for corruption and war crimes..  Poroshenko have to be promised
a check of a couple of $$ billions for keeping the conflict alive in Ukraine.

Escape. This short word describes the state of the Ukrainian elite. Foreign advisers are actively quitting the junta government. Businessmen are taking their money out.

Just a few hours ago the honest heart of the Estonian girl Yanika Merilo could not stand the sad spectacle of what is happening in Ukraine , and she left the post of Deputy Minister of Economy. This is not the first case of this kind. Earlier the Ukro-American Alexander Borovik and a Georgian Jaba Ebanoidze had resigned. Even the infamous "hawk" John McCain had enough brain power to refuse to cooperate with Poroshenko regime.

The diagnosis needs no comment: the leak in the bowels of the Ukrainian ship has reached a critical level, when emergency has to be declared, and distress signals are sent across all channels. And clearly, the first to seek safety are rather intelligent, albeit unpleasant gray rodents.

poroshenko wrote:«У меня есть мечта. Когда я не буду президентом, я мечтаю быть членом парламента — Европейского парламента. Когда Украина будет членом Европейского союза. И я сделаю для этого всё возможное. Может, эта идея и не слишком популярна в Великобритании, но мы сделаем всё возможное. Эта идея очень популярна на Украине. Более 70% украинцев — решительно за Европейский союз, и мы оправдаем эти ожидания», — цитирует слова Порошенко украинский сайт BBC.

Poroshenko wrote:I have a dream. When i wont be the president, I dream to be a member of parliament - the european parliament. When ukraine will be a member of the european union. And for this I will do everything possible. Maybe, this idea isnt so popular in great britain, but we will do everything possible. This idea is very popular in ukraine. More than 70% of ukrainians - are for the european union, and we will realise their expectations.

Rodinazombie wrote:It certainly appears as though the endgame is approaching slowly but surely for the regime.  Many of us said that peace will prove to be the end for poroshenko, and that looks to be the case, although its falling apart brick by brick, rather than a complete collapse all once.

Poroshenko is getting very desperate now, claiming to be in a 'real war' with russia, all the while he is shelling civilian areas in donetsk in order to provoke russia. Russia can see this for what it is though, simply a provocation, and as such its better to not respond by force. The more kiev lashes out and provokes, the more desperate it is.

The best way to combat this is not to play into their hands by playing their 'russian invasion' game. Strangle them economically, without giving justification for more western bailouts and they will implode.

BBC wrote:Ukraine crisis: President Poroshenko talks of 'real war' with Russia
19 May 2015 Europe

Ukraine's president has told the BBC his country is now in a "real war" with Russia - and that Ukrainians should prepare for a Russian offensive.

President Petro Poroshenko told the BBC's Fergal Keane he did not trust his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin.

However he said he had no option but to negotiate with Mr Putin.

Russia denies Western accusations that it has sent regular troops and armour to help the rebels in eastern Ukraine.

The United Nations says at least 6,000 people have been killed since fighting started in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.

Pro-Russian rebels made significant gains in the region, including, most recently, the rail hub of Debaltseve. They, and Russia, have denied they are receiving Moscow's support.

But Russia's role has again come into question, after the capture on Saturday of two men Ukraine said were elite Russian soldiers working in eastern Ukraine.

In a video, the men confirmed they were active Russian servicemen, but Moscow said they were no longer employed by the state when they were caught. Continue reading.

Bloomberg wrote:Buffer-State Blues Hit Ukraine Amid EU Greek Distraction
by James G Neuger 12:00 AM CEST May 20, 2015

Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia had better get used to life as buffer states between the European Union and Russia.

Not even a glimmer of future EU membership will be on offer at a summit starting Thursday. The three aren’t ready and the meeting threatens to be sidetracked by the Mediterranean migration crisis, Greece’s quest to escape ejection from the euro and Britain’s possible departure from the bloc.

What’s left is for the summit in Riga, Latvia, to reaffirm a small-steps policy of trade preferences, a dripfeed of investment and the easing of travel restrictions for citizens of the three eastern countries trying to break out of Russia’s orbit.

“Enthusiasm for further integration between the EU and its eastern neighbors is on the wane, but Europe should be bolder,” said Ian Bond, a former British diplomat now with the Centre for European Reform in London. “A gray zone to its east is not in the EU’s interests.”
Ukraine’s economic woes and simmering conflict with Russia have made the EU wary of commitments to countries on its eastern fringes, still plagued by corruption and poor governance.

Some 500,000 Moldovans have made trips to the EU since visa requirements were lifted a year ago. That concession has been “a rather sobering experience,” Richard Youngs, a senior associate at Carnegie Europe, said Tuesday on a media conference call. “Since that was offered, the problems of corruption if anything have gotten worse in Moldova.” Continue reading.

Громадське Телебачення wrote:Osokorky: People in masks, activists and police - fight to the scandalous construction site

VZ via Google Translate wrote:МВД Украины предложило привлечь иностранных полицейских к патрулированию улиц
Ukrainian Interior Ministry has offered to attract foreign police officers patrolling the streets
May 19, 2015, 20:45

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine wants to attract foreign police officers patrolling the streets in the country, said Deputy Interior Minister Tigran Avakian.

"A week ago, during the last meeting with our European partners, we came out with a proposal for the direct involvement of foreign police in joint patrols and performance features of the new patrol police, which will begin in the summer to work in Ukraine", - said Avakian.

According to him, it is primarily of officers from countries where there is no "significant linguistic and mental barriers", reports "Ukrinform" .

"We offered to involve the police in countries where there is no significant linguistic and mental barriers with Ukraine. This refers to Poland, Slovakia, the Baltic States ", - said the deputy minister. Continue reading.

Студия АВРОРА wrote:May 9 in Donetsk

Putin could have stopped Maidan dead in its tracks by sending OMON reinforcements. Clearly Ukrainian police was unable to handle Right Sector thugs who shot and killed police officers. Putin could have drafted a UNSC resolution to send in UN peacekeepers and stopped putsch's ethnic cleaning in April 2014. Putin did neither.

GarryB wrote:

Putin could have stopped Maidan dead in its tracks by sending OMON reinforcements. Clearly Ukrainian police was unable to handle Right Sector thugs who shot and killed police officers. Putin could have drafted a UNSC resolution to send in UN peacekeepers and stopped putsch's ethnic cleaning in April 2014. Putin did neither.

So the two things Putin should have done in your opinion was to violate international and Russian law and send in OMON... Russian Interior Ministry forces into a foreign country... and what sort of effective UNSC resolution do you think the Russians could get past the US and the UK and France... after imposing sanctions on Russia because they thought Russia might be interfering... do you really think they will let Russia do anything via the UN?

BTW those UNSC resolutions are such potent things in international law... Kosovo is an integral part of Serbian territory according to resolutions... hahahahahahaha.

Unlike news wrote:Donetsk today: restless (Kuibyshev) 19/05/2015

Патриотические Силы wrote:The shelling of the Kuibyshev district. Donetsk. 05/19/2015 "Armistice we did not have."

NV via Google Translate wrote:Парламент изменил административные границы в Донецкой области
Parliament changed the administrative boundaries in the Donetsk region
Today, 12:49

The Verkhovna Rada has changed the boundaries of three districts of Mariupol and Donetsk region.

During the corresponding decision on the delimitation of Volnovakha, Novoazovskiy and Telmanovskiy Donetsk region voted 239 deputies out of 354 registered in the session hall.

Thus, the Parliament adopted a resolution №2321, sponsored by the ex-governor of the Donetsk region, Sergei Taruta, which proposed to include the village of Grape, Pioneer and seaside Vinogradnenskogo village council in the city limits of Mariupol.

In addition, the Resolution №2792 Parliament changed the boundaries of Artemovsk Donetsk region, increased its territory by reference to its composition of urban settlement and the city Mironovsky Svetlodarsk. Continue reading.

Dozor Kharkov via Google Translate wrote:На Шевченко трамвай врезался в жилой дом
On Shevchenko tram crashed into a residential building
05/20/2015 11:41


Photo: kharkovforum.com

On the morning of May 20 in the area of Shevchenko and perekrestra Takhiatash derailed tram №26.

Tram crashed into the gate of an apartment house
Eyewitnesses in social networks reported that the accident occurred around 7 am.

With the first car came off the rails, it issued towards the residential sector, where he rammed the gates of the private area.

Media reported that at some time in the hospital turned 53-year-old passenger rail. Her diagnosis is unknown. Continue reading.

‏@OnlineMagazin wrote:Memorial wall with Cyborgs in Kirovograd. #Ukraine

UNIAN via Google Translate wrote:Рада провалила законопроект про іспит з української мови для держслужбовців
Rada failed bill on the Ukrainian language exam for civil servants
20.05.2015 | 12:19

Parliament did not support the draft law on amendments to the Law "On State Service" (mandatory for Ukrainian language by officials of state authorities, № 1201).

According to UNIAN, voted for this decision only 152 deputies of 339 registered in the session hall.

Bill authorship MPs of interfactional union "Freedom" proposed to establish , among the basic principles on which the public service, - to prevent public demonstrations of contempt for the Ukrainian language, mockery or derision of it and discredit it.

The right to public service citizens of Ukraine regardless of origin, social and property status, race, ethnicity, gender, political views, religious beliefs, place of residence, have received appropriate education and training, speak Ukrainian at the level required to perform them their duties and passed in the prescribed manner or other competitive selection procedure laid down by the Cabinet of Ministers. Continue reading.

Kyiv Post wrote:Poroshenko says Ukraine will never accept Crimea's occupation, will fight for Crimean Tatars' rights
May 20, 2015, 1:38 p.m. | Ukraine — by Interfax-Ukraine

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has said that Ukraine will never accept the occupation of Crimea and will do everything possible to protect the rights of the Crimean Tatars. Continue reading.

Sputnik wrote:'Not by Force Alone': Poroshenko Mulls New Options for Donbass Settlement
EUROPE 09:55 20.05.2015(updated 11:05 20.05.2015)

In a media interview on Tuesday Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said there was no chance the country’s eastern Donbass region could be taken away from the pro-independence militia by military force.

“I don’t think our territory can be liberated by military means alone,” Poroshenko told the BBC, noting that diplomacy was the only answer and that he had no option but to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Russia denies Western accusations that it has sent regular troops and armor to help the pro-independence militia in eastern Ukraine.

President Poroshenko also said that, apart from efforts to end the conflict in eastern Ukraine, fighting corruption was another major priority for his administration. Continue reading.

Flagship Victory wrote:Putsch says no more military technical cooperation with Russia.

www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-government-to-sever-agreement-on-military-technical-cooperation-with-russia-389022.html

Eleven NATO states and Israel offer to treat wounded putsch Maidanists.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/eleven-nato-states-israel-offer-help-in-treating-wounded-soldiers-389021.html

Putsch reports 3 Maidanists KIA and 9 more WIA yesterday. KIA means killed on the spot. The actual number of Maidanists killed yesterday was at least 4.

Werewolf wrote:And fools here said Israel is not against russia...nazis like nazis or more or less like to use them.