The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

KoTeMoRe wrote:...BTW AirCargo how's the weather in the Big NorthWet?

AirCargo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:...BTW AirCargo how's the weather in the Big NorthWet?

Dark with scattered lightness towards morning KoTe, Lol.

@Петро Порошенко via Google Translate wrote:Citizens of Ukraine that are in the temporarily occupied territories regard as Ukrainian prisoners captured invadersContinue reading.

Hromadske TV via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко виступає за фінансування партій з держбюджету
Poroshenko supports the funding of political parties from the state budget
Thursday, June 4, 2015

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko supports the transition to budget funding of political parties.

He said this during a speech to the annual address to Parliament.

According to him, this will help deoliharhizuvaty Ukrainian policy, which would mean independence parties from businessmen.

Poroshenko said that the funding of political parties from the state budget a priority even in a difficult economic situation. Continue reading.

Hromadske TV via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко: Україна збільшить витрати на оборону у 2016 році
Poroshenko: Ukraine will increase defense spending in 2016
Thursday, June 4, 2015

Ukraine in 2016 again increase defense spending and security.

This was stated by the president of Petro Poroshenko during his speech in the Parliament.

He stressed that the provision of defense capability will long remain a key priority.

"No matter how difficult the budget for 2016 ... we will come up against increasing defense spending, because different country we do not protect" - said the president. Continue reading.

Pravda UA via Google Translate wrote:Знання англійської стане обов'язковим при прийомі на держслужбу
Knowledge of English will be required when applying for civil service
Thursday, June 4, 2015, 12:50

Knowledge of English is a must in the future be the criterion for admission to the civil service.

This was during his address to Parliament on Wednesday said President Poroshenko.

"Speaking English is a key criterion for admission to public service. I think it should be implemented gradually in the coming years", - he said.

He also announced his intention to support the program Go Global , which defines learning English a priority development strategy.

"Ukraine today is global ranking of countries with the lowest level of English. This is a barrier for Ukrainian for reorientation to Western values ​​and standards. This limits our access to scientific research that 80% are published in English. 55% of the Web pages written in English as well, "- said Poroshenko.

According to him, 2016 will be announced in Ukraine a year of English.

This Poroshenko zapevnvy that the priority of the Ukrainian language is obvious.

Ukrainian Pravda Continue reading.

TheArmenian wrote:According to Kiev (Poroshenko's aide Yury Biryukov):

5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and 39 injured yesterday.

Vann7 wrote:
Was going to post that.. lol

Anyway.. it shows why the sudden full scale offensive..
US-Ukraine goal is as i said a million of times is Sabotage of Russia economy
Defeating Russia in combat is not the goal.. Defeating its economy Is..

Now Europe will vote soon and declare "Russia not following the Minks-2 agreements"
and give more sanctions to Russia ,with not a single condemnation to Kiev for the bombing
and killing of civilians..

This is why Russia now is paying a big mistake for trusting on Europeans and creating an
economy so dependent of Europe.. and believing they will leave their Colonial status any day..

Neither US and its EU colonies will accept ever Russia as a Sovereign Independent nation..
Russia will only be accepted when it joins the American Mafia club of terrorist and give up
its power and its nuclear weapons and allow US military bases in Russia to undermine its authority. and allow US to take control of its Bank..  So Russians should stop making Illusions
that Europeans will ever be free to choose its business relations without the green light of the
american owners.

Flagship Victory wrote:Poroshenko that bastard NATO referendum

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poroshenko-says-referendum-to-make-final-decision-on-ukrainian-membership-in-nato-390234.html


Poroshenko that bastard economic siege of Donbas unless Maidan gains control of border with Russia

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poroshenko-says-donbas-economic-siege-not-to-be-lifted-before-full-control-over-russian-border-established-390230.html


In my opinion NAF should launch full scale offensive on Kiev. If Russia won't supply arms, then fine, NAF will use captured arms to fight. I've had enough of this nonsense. No ceasefire. Let it be like Syria. Let it be like Yemen. Make Poroshenko that bastard pay for his crimes against humanity.

Rodinazombie wrote:
So basically poroshenko is officially stating that he wont abide by minsk-2?

Fine, let him burn. We wll know his ideas of a military victory ended last time, ie illovaysk, debalcevo etc etc. Its only the stupidity of the ukrainian people that allows him to get away with this crap time after time.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:
So basically poroshenko is officially stating that he wont abide by minsk-2?

Fine, let him burn. We wll know his ideas of a military victory ended last time, ie illovaysk, debalcevo etc etc. Its only the stupidity of the ukrainian people that allows him to get away with this crap time after time.

He has nothing to lose as long as Russia is not willing to use real military power to make him back off. The West will obviously let Kiev to do whatever it wants and the West only protests when the NAF repels the Kiev attacks and goes for an offensive.

I hope Russia would send two high precision missiles to Kiev. One to SBU building and one to Rada building. In working hours. And then say that Ukraine shelled itself

Rodinazombie wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:
So basically poroshenko is officially stating that he wont abide by minsk-2?

Fine, let him burn. We wll know his ideas of a military victory ended last time, ie illovaysk, debalcevo etc etc. Its only the stupidity of the ukrainian people that allows him to get away with this crap time after time.

He has nothing to lose as long as Russia is not willing to use real military power to make him back off. The West will obviously let Kiev to do whatever it wants and the West only protests when the NAF repels the Kiev attacks and goes for an offensive.

I hope Russia would send two high precision missiles to Kiev. One to SBU building and one to Rada building. In working hours. And then say that Ukraine shelled itself

The problem with the west allowing kiev to continue this fight is that russia will not allow kiev a military victory, so its completely pointless for the west to let kiev do it. Theres no victory there, the only thing that ensures is more people die, the ukrainian economy continues to curl up and die and the people at some point will start to realise what a corrupt gang of criminals the regime are, and that the west doesnt give two fcuks about them, they are just pawns in the game against russia.

The best thing that the west and ukraine could do, is to cut its losses with crimea and donbass, allow them complete freedom as independent states and then start building a totally pro nato/anti russia ukrainian state.

The only danger there for ukraine is that other parts of ukraine such as kharkov and odessa may start to become unsettled too, but thats a small risk judging by there lack of action so far, and in any event its better than the current death by a thousand paper cuts that ukraine is currently undergoing.

Rodinazombie wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:
So basically poroshenko is officially stating that he wont abide by minsk-2?

Fine, let him burn. We wll know his ideas of a military victory ended last time, ie illovaysk, debalcevo etc etc. Its only the stupidity of the ukrainian people that allows him to get away with this crap time after time.

He has nothing to lose as long as Russia is not willing to use real military power to make him back off. The West will obviously let Kiev to do whatever it wants and the West only protests when the NAF repels the Kiev attacks and goes for an offensive.

I hope Russia would send two high precision missiles to Kiev. One to SBU building and one to Rada building. In working hours. And then say that Ukraine shelled itself

The problem with the west allowing kiev to continue this fight is that russia will not allow kiev a military victory, so its completely pointless for the west to let kiev do it. Theres no victory there, the only thing that ensures is more people die, the ukrainian economy continues to curl up and die and the people at some point will start to realise what a corrupt gang of criminals the regime are, and that the west doesnt give two fcuks about them, they are just pawns in the game against russia.

The best thing that the west and ukraine could do, is to cut its losses with crimea and donbass, allow them complete freedom as independent states and then start building their own little bandera loving totalitarian pro nato/anti russia ukrainian state.

The only danger there for ukraine is that other parts of ukraine such as kharkov and odessa may start to become unsettled too, but thats a small risk judging by there lack of action so far, and in any event its better than the current death by a thousand paper cuts that ukraine is currently undergoing.

sepheronx wrote:The guy is not only a tool, but also just proved to the rest of us how lousy a person he is.

whir wrote:

Hromadske TV via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко виступає за фінансування партій з держбюджету
Poroshenko supports the funding of political parties from the state budget
Thursday, June 4, 2015Continue reading.

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/world/20150604/1022932357.html

This is gold. So the bellingcat loser gets called out on his BS reporting as I posted earlier, and he just insults the blog. When RT offered to do a live interview to prevent his idea they edit footage, he refused to be on a propaganda channel. And just goes straight to insults.

The guy is not only a tool, but also just proved to the rest of us how lousy a person he is.

arpakola wrote:On Eve of EU Vote to Extend Sanctions War Returns to Ukraine
Resumption of fighting on eve of EU vote on extending sanctions against Russia is a predictable action given the nature of the Ukrainian regime and the multiple crises it faces.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/war-returns-ukraine/ri7711

Emergent statement of Executive Commander of Corps of the MoD DPR Eduard Basurin
June 4, 2015, Donetsk

On June 3 operational situation in the Donetsk People's Republic sharply deteriorated. Executive Commander of Corps of the MoD DPR Eduard Basurin spoke about it at his briefing yesterday.

"On dawn today Ukrainian Army carried out massive shelling of settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic practically along the entire contact line. Such localities as Donetsk, Shirokino, Gorlovka and Spartak were subjected to the most fierce non-precision fire of Ukrainian artillery. Unfortunately, this resulted in great number of civilian casualties. According to the latest reports only in Donetsk there were about 90 victims of yesterday's shelling. The figure is not final. Search and rescue works in the destroyed buildings are still underway. We blame Kiev for the drastic deterioration of the situation. In the course of the recent weeks we have been registering Kiev's efforts to bring up heavy artillery and armoured vehicles to the contact line. We named certain localities and and the number of dislocated there in violation of the Minsk Agreement Ukrainian equipment and armaments. We warned about Kiev's efforts aimed at formation of large number of covert groups and preparation of a big-scale provocation in order to accuse the DPR in wrecking of the Minsk Agreement. Unfortunately, neither submitting of the information to the OSCE observers, no open appeals to Kiev's tutors in the West did not make any effects. We expected the big-scale provocation of the part of Ukrainian forces in the night from Friday to Saturday on the eve of the forthcoming summit in Germany of the biggest Western countries' leaders. Nevertheless Kiev, as we can see now, did not wait for the orders from its Western tutors and organized massive attacks along the entire contact line in view of tomorrow's Poroshenko's annual speech in the parliament.

I'd like to stress that the Armed Forces of the DPR in the course of the last 24 hours, owing to their selflessness and even at times self-sacrificing attitude, managed to stop the advance of the enemy deep into the Republic. The plan of a "small victory" in Donbass for the decoration of Poroshenko's speech in the Rada went awry.

This victory was to occur in the area of Maryinka. In the first half of the day out reconnaissance registered an unusual liveliness at the enemy's positions there. Then Ukrainian military at first opened fire from their position in the nearby Krasnogorovka, and then - at the Ukrainian Army positions in Maryinka. Allegedly, in response to this shelling Ukrainian artillery dislocated in the part of Maryinka under Kiev control opened massive artillery fire on our position in the outskirts of Donetsk. Soon the artillery of UAF dislocated in Krasnogorovka joined in. As a result the positions of our Armed Forces in the outskirt of Donetsk came under artillery cross-fire.

The fact that the provocation was pre-planned by Kiev does not raise any doubts. Ukrainian shells had hardly dropped on our positions in the outskirts, when Ukrainian media filled with the headlines declaring the alleged wrecking by the DPR Army of the Minsk Agreement and start of our offensive at their positions. Under the canopy of this massive shelling Ukrainian forces moved from Novoselovka to Maryinka and Krasnogorovka altogether two tank units and about 300 of personnel. They are still stationed there. Thus, the covert goal of Kiev's provocation was the abrupt increase of the banned in accordance with the Minsk Agreement Ukrainian heavy artillery and equipment in the outskirt of Donetsk in order to carry out the next provocation on Saturday or to storm Donetsk.

We call upon the Ukrainian side to stop provocations and strictly adhere to the reached in Minsk on February 12 peace agreements. The units of the DPR Army do not plan any offensive activities that are prone to wreck the ceasefire regime and fierce and full-scale war", – Basurin said.  

Cowboy's daughter wrote:John Delacour ‏@JohnDelacour 38m38 minutes ago

#DONETSK
According to reports from the front a new “#AVDEEVKA CAULDRON” is forming
—@kp_steshin
[…and about time too ! Ed. ]

Flagship Victory wrote:Russia considers giving gas discounts to Ukraine which is Russia's brother nation

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/russia-considering-gas-discount-for-ukraine-for-third-quarter-or-till-year-end-390262.html

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Russia considers giving gas discounts to Ukraine which is Russia's brother nation

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/russia-considering-gas-discount-for-ukraine-for-third-quarter-or-till-year-end-390262.html

This will make many people angry.