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The Situation in the Ukraine. #15
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sepheronx wrote:Ukraine notified UN it recognizes the border with the Republic of Crimea
AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Russia: 1 USA: 0
Has that been confirmed anywhere, i can't seem to find anything. There should have been something about it even from the american stooges and their MSM mouthpieces.
Anyway, so is it confirmed that the urks got trashed again? If so, sieg heil mother***s.
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I never said that the Ukrops are using encrypted coms, I'm quite sure I could personally intercept nearly all of the Ukrop transmissions and I am not very skilled in this field. Hence Russia doesn't need to work that hard to intercept transmissions and the NAF can probably spy on the Hohols as well. But it would be very irresponsible of Russia to not have boots on the ground considering it is very hard to get solid info with all the propaganda floating around. And the Russian Military is not irresponsible as we all saw earlier.KoTeMoRe wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:I think it is fair to say that there are some skilled FSB or SSO operators undercover or behind the frontlines, probably working alongside with moles. As Russia's only other methods of watching developments are through satellite and cyberspace.sepheronx wrote:whir wrote:Every mayor operation has been conducted with the aim to thwart Kiev's plans, this time surely is not another coincidence.Ivan the Colorado wrote:With all the rumors about the winds to the east picking up again doubled with what seems like a very well organized assault, it seems like this counter attack was prepared for the instance that Transnistria would be attacked. Did Russia and Novorossiya act on knowledge that such an attack on Transnistria was imminent (like going to happen within the next day or two)?
So you think that Russia provided intelligence for this counter attack? If so, good. And successful too.
Huh? Most Ukrop coms are naked. There only a handful encrypted lines and most crucially individual soldiers still rely on Cell Phones. It is there where the whole, we modernized the UA army BS takes its toll. Ukraine is fighting a war with 50's era military coms and cell phones.
BTW Kiev doesn't have the manpower to strike Pridnestorvie especially when it comes to the roughly 1000 MS Russian troops in there (2 MRB's + Helicopters). Touching MS guys, means biting the pillow.
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A lot of important info has been missed by Western MSM. I've been following various Western sources ever since the early days of Euromaidan. Besides, they would not want to give Russia a clear and decisive victory, there is no way you could whitewash something like that.mack8 wrote:sepheronx wrote:Ukraine notified UN it recognizes the border with the Republic of Crimea
AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Russia: 1 USA: 0
Has that been confirmed anywhere, i can't seem to find anything. There should have been something about it even from the american stooges and their MSM mouthpieces.
Anyway, so is it confirmed that the urks got trashed again? If so, sieg heil mother***s.
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Ivan the Colorado wrote:I never said that the Ukrops are using encrypted coms, I'm quite sure I could personally intercept nearly all of the Ukrop transmissions and I am not very skilled in this field. Hence Russia doesn't need to work that hard to intercept transmissions and the NAF can probably spy on the Hohols as well. But it would be very irresponsible of Russia to not have boots on the ground considering it is very hard to get solid info with all the propaganda floating around. And the Russian Military is not irresponsible as we all saw earlier.KoTeMoRe wrote:Ivan the Colorado wrote:I think it is fair to say that there are some skilled FSB or SSO operators undercover or behind the frontlines, probably working alongside with moles. As Russia's only other methods of watching developments are through satellite and cyberspace.sepheronx wrote:whir wrote:Every mayor operation has been conducted with the aim to thwart Kiev's plans, this time surely is not another coincidence.Ivan the Colorado wrote:With all the rumors about the winds to the east picking up again doubled with what seems like a very well organized assault, it seems like this counter attack was prepared for the instance that Transnistria would be attacked. Did Russia and Novorossiya act on knowledge that such an attack on Transnistria was imminent (like going to happen within the next day or two)?
So you think that Russia provided intelligence for this counter attack? If so, good. And successful too.
Huh? Most Ukrop coms are naked. There only a handful encrypted lines and most crucially individual soldiers still rely on Cell Phones. It is there where the whole, we modernized the UA army BS takes its toll. Ukraine is fighting a war with 50's era military coms and cell phones.
BTW Kiev doesn't have the manpower to strike Pridnestorvie especially when it comes to the roughly 1000 MS Russian troops in there (2 MRB's + Helicopters). Touching MS guys, means biting the pillow.
The fact there are Russian Operatives down there, is a given. But i was saying that you don't need to go all paranoïd about moles and what not. Ukrops can't hide much from NAF.
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Is Minsk 2 done for?
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So did counterattack/attack was successful?
There is ceasefire in place now, isn't it?
"Basurin denied that DPR militia had gone on the offensive, stressing that any actions, which could lead to a full-scale war, were unacceptable.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150603/1022912131.html#ixzz3c2aWF8K3"
So basically it was Ukraine that hit seps hard or it was failed sep offensive? Both sides claim two opposites.
There is ceasefire in place now, isn't it?
"Basurin denied that DPR militia had gone on the offensive, stressing that any actions, which could lead to a full-scale war, were unacceptable.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150603/1022912131.html#ixzz3c2aWF8K3"
So basically it was Ukraine that hit seps hard or it was failed sep offensive? Both sides claim two opposites.
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The fvck am i reading about 24 Marder 1A3 sale attempt by Bulgarian front company to Ukropistan and about 70 more to come?
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No VSN offensive would take place w/o Russia's OK. Ofc it's not a full offensive yet, but it looks like it's gonna go that way.
I remember the wording last time around; Russian observers 'moved aside' and suddenly the VSN went full steam on the Ukrs, concluding in Debaltsevo.
Ukraine's plans for Transdniestr have been foiled it seems, they're not going to know what to do, so sure they were that things were going according to plan.
But Putin as usual, threw an unexpected curveball - a very simple decision and an obvious one in retrospect; but the Ukrs probably didn't see it coming.
I remember the wording last time around; Russian observers 'moved aside' and suddenly the VSN went full steam on the Ukrs, concluding in Debaltsevo.
Ukraine's plans for Transdniestr have been foiled it seems, they're not going to know what to do, so sure they were that things were going according to plan.
But Putin as usual, threw an unexpected curveball - a very simple decision and an obvious one in retrospect; but the Ukrs probably didn't see it coming.
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Any word on that apparently unusual Duma session?
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Or maybe it was just NAF doing what UAF does on a nearly daily basis.Regular wrote:So basically it was Ukraine that hit seps hard or it was failed sep offensive? Both sides claim two opposites.
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You mean trying to slaughter innocents on a near daily basis? More like the NAF is finally punishing Kiev for what they have done.whir wrote:Or maybe it was just NAF doing what UAF does on a nearly daily basis.Regular wrote:So basically it was Ukraine that hit seps hard or it was failed sep offensive? Both sides claim two opposites.
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You mean trying to slaughter innocents on a near daily basis? More like the NAF is finally punishing Kiev for what they have done.[/quote]Ivan the Colorado wrote:Or maybe it was just NAF doing what UAF does on a nearly daily basis.
No I meant testing the enemy with small-scale incursions.
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Internesting news...Regional military commissar of Odessa (Yuri Piskun) arrested in front of the draft board, this can only hurt Ukrops control over Odessa. Apparently over a $1,700 bribe:
Regional military commissar arrested in front of the draft board
Source: military commissar of Odessa region was arrested for a bribe of $ 1,700
Regional military commissar arrested in front of the draft board
Source: military commissar of Odessa region was arrested for a bribe of $ 1,700
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I am baffled this made it to google news. Respect for the man who dares to call it as it is. Spread it if you can.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/we_are_the_propagandists_the_real_story_about_how_the_new_york_times_and_the_white_house_has_turned_truth_in_the_ukraine_on_its_head/
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/we_are_the_propagandists_the_real_story_about_how_the_new_york_times_and_the_white_house_has_turned_truth_in_the_ukraine_on_its_head/
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mack8 wrote:I am baffled this made it to google news. Respect for the man who dares to call it as it is. Spread it if you can.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/we_are_the_propagandists_the_real_story_about_how_the_new_york_times_and_the_white_house_has_turned_truth_in_the_ukraine_on_its_head/
Wow and fresh out the desktop...voted.
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mack8 wrote:I am baffled this made it to google news. Respect for the man who dares to call it as it is. Spread it if you can.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/we_are_the_propagandists_the_real_story_about_how_the_new_york_times_and_the_white_house_has_turned_truth_in_the_ukraine_on_its_head/
Thanks, that was a good read.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:Internesting news...Regional military commissar of Odessa (Yuri Piskun) arrested in front of the draft board, this can only hurt Ukrops control over Odessa. Apparently over a $1,700 bribe:
Regional military commissar arrested in front of the draft board
Source: military commissar of Odessa region was arrested for a bribe of $ 1,700
They are arresting the only allies they have, handing out positions to foreigners, taking apart their country's economy brick by brick and they are sending their sons to die in a meaningless war. The Ukrainian people are in a sleep paralysis and they can't wake up from this nightmare. When they do, they'll hopefully start a witch hunt against those who have led their homeland into this mess. In a certain sense Ukraine resembles a pseudo Nazi Germany from the 1930s when extreme nationalism was encouraged. Except Poroshenko is far from being as competent and cunning as Hitler. When this mess is over with the junta's defeat the Ukranians will be telling the world how they didn't know, just like the Germans did.
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No idea how accurate are this blogger but anyway..
From twitter..
https://twitter.com/sbobkov?lang=en
When it comes to Mariupol..
I seriously think will be a mistake to take the city or even get near Mariupol with artillery fire.
Reason is that Ukraine can start false flags attacks like the previous one in Mariupol and blame
the Rebels for the killing civilians.. So if defending Donetsk and Lugansk is the goal.. they ever
kill the bastards with their mobile weapons and mortars.. and after they killed return to their
original positions.
and going beyond DOnetsk and Lugansk will be suicide. UKie nazis can start blowing Nuclear reactors.. and blame the rebels artillery for it. . World Public opinion is extremely important
for the Rebels.. if they are seen as the ones creating the problems or breaking the cease of fire
and the ones murdering civilians..it will help Kiev to get the unity in the country.. that they never had before thanks to managing to convince the Ukrainians and Europe that the Rebels
are terrorist .. etc..
UNfortunattely Russia economy depends of Europe and cannot maintain 40 millions of Ukrainians and neither Donetsk and Lugansk.. neither can do a full scale invasion without seriously damaging its economy and creating unrest in their nation for the war.. that said..
Russia will benefit to seek support from Europe in the ukraine conflict even if it is minimal..
and to continue to Freeze the conflict. and no matter what happens... All Help of Russia needs to be undercover.. little by little..
Because a full scale frontal war against Ukraine ,will only help kiev to avoid paying its debts to Russia..and help to get an unity in the nation with the help of its media..
I think If Ukraine continues defiant is not to implement Minsk 2.. and Russia see no other way out of the war.. What Russia can do is start opening other fronts in Kharkiv ,supplying weapons to Ukraine to declare its independence too.. As long Russia maintain a low profile ,they will be able to continue rebuilding their economy and preparing its nation for a major war that sooner or later Russia will need to face against NATO
For now Russia can help undercovertly with weapons and mercenaries and try to freeze the conflict.. Kill the CIA nazis who bomb civilians and then return to minsk-2.. Is a game Russia needs to play if they do not want to see their economy collapsing before any war with NATO start.
I believe that by 2020.. once Russia manage to integrate its economy with China and those pipelines sending Oil and Gas to china is when Russia will be fully prepared for Full scale wars against any Nation.. about that Time Russia will have about a hundred of Pak-FA planes in services and Thousands of Armata too.. with many dozens of new Stealth Frigates and Corvettes
to defend the mother land.
all said.. If the goal is to remove the CIAnazis from power in kiev.. it had to be done using
different tactics.. not by driving with tanks to kiev from donetsk.. allowing Kiev to have a field day in propaganda ,about how rebels kill civilians who support Europe... instead Collapsing Ukraine economy for example and opening new fronts in other cities demanding independence.. That way Kiev cannot create the unity and consensus they need to come in the defense of their power in kiev and continue ruling the country..
From twitter..
Previous message on #NAF force recon ambush/casualties was proven to be fake. I deleted it. Only 1 WIA among #Ryazan unit, thank god.
https://twitter.com/sbobkov?lang=en
When it comes to Mariupol..
I seriously think will be a mistake to take the city or even get near Mariupol with artillery fire.
Reason is that Ukraine can start false flags attacks like the previous one in Mariupol and blame
the Rebels for the killing civilians.. So if defending Donetsk and Lugansk is the goal.. they ever
kill the bastards with their mobile weapons and mortars.. and after they killed return to their
original positions.
and going beyond DOnetsk and Lugansk will be suicide. UKie nazis can start blowing Nuclear reactors.. and blame the rebels artillery for it. . World Public opinion is extremely important
for the Rebels.. if they are seen as the ones creating the problems or breaking the cease of fire
and the ones murdering civilians..it will help Kiev to get the unity in the country.. that they never had before thanks to managing to convince the Ukrainians and Europe that the Rebels
are terrorist .. etc..
UNfortunattely Russia economy depends of Europe and cannot maintain 40 millions of Ukrainians and neither Donetsk and Lugansk.. neither can do a full scale invasion without seriously damaging its economy and creating unrest in their nation for the war.. that said..
Russia will benefit to seek support from Europe in the ukraine conflict even if it is minimal..
and to continue to Freeze the conflict. and no matter what happens... All Help of Russia needs to be undercover.. little by little..
Because a full scale frontal war against Ukraine ,will only help kiev to avoid paying its debts to Russia..and help to get an unity in the nation with the help of its media..
I think If Ukraine continues defiant is not to implement Minsk 2.. and Russia see no other way out of the war.. What Russia can do is start opening other fronts in Kharkiv ,supplying weapons to Ukraine to declare its independence too.. As long Russia maintain a low profile ,they will be able to continue rebuilding their economy and preparing its nation for a major war that sooner or later Russia will need to face against NATO
For now Russia can help undercovertly with weapons and mercenaries and try to freeze the conflict.. Kill the CIA nazis who bomb civilians and then return to minsk-2.. Is a game Russia needs to play if they do not want to see their economy collapsing before any war with NATO start.
I believe that by 2020.. once Russia manage to integrate its economy with China and those pipelines sending Oil and Gas to china is when Russia will be fully prepared for Full scale wars against any Nation.. about that Time Russia will have about a hundred of Pak-FA planes in services and Thousands of Armata too.. with many dozens of new Stealth Frigates and Corvettes
to defend the mother land.
all said.. If the goal is to remove the CIAnazis from power in kiev.. it had to be done using
different tactics.. not by driving with tanks to kiev from donetsk.. allowing Kiev to have a field day in propaganda ,about how rebels kill civilians who support Europe... instead Collapsing Ukraine economy for example and opening new fronts in other cities demanding independence.. That way Kiev cannot create the unity and consensus they need to come in the defense of their power in kiev and continue ruling the country..
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I don't understand why VSN would need to take any cities at all. This isn't WW2. Even in the Cold War both sides realized that the war would be decided in the open country and that taking cities is mostly a waste of resources when it comes to a very brutal, fluid and fast-paced meatgrinder of a war which the outcome of will be decided in in weeks.
The Ukrainian conflict is of course a slower-paced one, and manpower replenishment, reserves, industries all come into play - thus there are strategic advantages to be gained in taking and holding cities. However it's still far easier to just turn the enemy's advantage into their own disadvantage by surrounding them and cutting-them off; especially if they're holed-up in a city unfriendly to them such as Mariupol.
Novorussian forces do not really need to waste any resources on taking cities at all.
The war has been positional/attritional at every interval between major fighting, which has allowed the Ukraine to use its advantages in manpower and artillery.
Conversely, during the active phases of war, Novorussian forces played on their own advantages with manuever warfare and encirclements, and made massive progress - far more than they can ever hope to make in static trench warfare. The Novorussians would in fact have probably routed the Ukrainians completely with this sort of warfare had they been allowed to continue.
See where I'm going with this? The Novorussians should play to their strengths, not the enemy's strengths
Why should the Novorussians now decide to attack cities, and bog themselves down in lengthy, destructive quagmires, fighting a type of war that would be more to the advantage of their enemy than themselves?
Not to mention the negative PR from assaulting cities; the Novorussians have adopted a position of moral superiority; since they've done so they should keep it up, and avoid doing anything that would neccessitate artillery barrages of dense urban zones.
The Novorussians can win the war using breakthroughs, manuevers, seizure of key transport and infastructural hubs, and by completely avoiding every settlement larger than a small town.
Once a Ukrainian-held city is surrounded, it becomes more a liability to the Ukrainians themselves than a help to them in any case.
The Ukrainian conflict is of course a slower-paced one, and manpower replenishment, reserves, industries all come into play - thus there are strategic advantages to be gained in taking and holding cities. However it's still far easier to just turn the enemy's advantage into their own disadvantage by surrounding them and cutting-them off; especially if they're holed-up in a city unfriendly to them such as Mariupol.
Novorussian forces do not really need to waste any resources on taking cities at all.
The war has been positional/attritional at every interval between major fighting, which has allowed the Ukraine to use its advantages in manpower and artillery.
Conversely, during the active phases of war, Novorussian forces played on their own advantages with manuever warfare and encirclements, and made massive progress - far more than they can ever hope to make in static trench warfare. The Novorussians would in fact have probably routed the Ukrainians completely with this sort of warfare had they been allowed to continue.
See where I'm going with this? The Novorussians should play to their strengths, not the enemy's strengths
Why should the Novorussians now decide to attack cities, and bog themselves down in lengthy, destructive quagmires, fighting a type of war that would be more to the advantage of their enemy than themselves?
Not to mention the negative PR from assaulting cities; the Novorussians have adopted a position of moral superiority; since they've done so they should keep it up, and avoid doing anything that would neccessitate artillery barrages of dense urban zones.
The Novorussians can win the war using breakthroughs, manuevers, seizure of key transport and infastructural hubs, and by completely avoiding every settlement larger than a small town.
Once a Ukrainian-held city is surrounded, it becomes more a liability to the Ukrainians themselves than a help to them in any case.
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Really intense video.. of marinika fighting..
Apparently Donetsk fighters took control of most of the city..
after Ukraine began a major attack on their positions ,across the entire border.
Reports of more than 60 civilians wounded and a dozen killed..
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flamming_python wrote:The Novorussians can win the war using breakthroughs, manuevers, seizure of key transport and infastructural hubs, and by completely avoiding every settlement larger than a small town.
Once a Ukrainian-held city is surrounded, it becomes more a liability to the Ukrainians themselves than a help to them in any case.
You want them to fight like ISIS ??
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You don't win a war by digging in. You win a war by launching an offensive. Assad lost because he dug in. Nusra won because they launched offensives and took Idlib, Ariha. Whoever digs in defensively will be doomed. The only way NAF can win this is launching offensive after offensive.
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NAF fighting in Marinka today
https://youtu.be/eSok4WWRjB0
https://youtu.be/Vp6GSNTMFMU
https://youtu.be/hwC_4wXGK44
https://youtu.be/eSok4WWRjB0
https://youtu.be/Vp6GSNTMFMU
https://youtu.be/hwC_4wXGK44
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Maryana Naumova the Russian teen girl ,called strongest in world
how have visited the entire world and was under sponsor by American fitness companies.
Now have lost its american sponsors for supporting the Donbass children.. And Kiev
have her in the terrorist list..
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150603/1022913235.html
What kind of fucked world we live that a 16 year old girl is declared terrorist?
In the great land of "freedom " US , and Fascist Australia they have banned of
entry she or her trainer ,because of american exceptional politics..
SHe have personally asked Arnold Schwarzenegger to save relations between US and Russia.
I know everyone will call her naive.. but is kind of encouraging her belief she can help her country.
how have visited the entire world and was under sponsor by American fitness companies.
Now have lost its american sponsors for supporting the Donbass children.. And Kiev
have her in the terrorist list..
In addition, Aleksandr Naumov said Maryana has been added to “Ukraine's Security Service (SBU)’s list of terrorists.” “We aren’t permitted to enter Ukraine. Maryana is on the SBU’s list of terrorists now. We’re already barred from Australia, and we’re planning to go to America in September, but it’s possible they won’t let us in, even though we have a valid visa. Our trainer wasn’t given a visa in March, and it’s possible that our visa won’t be renewed,” he said.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150603/1022913235.html
What kind of fucked world we live that a 16 year old girl is declared terrorist?
In the great land of "freedom " US , and Fascist Australia they have banned of
entry she or her trainer ,because of american exceptional politics..
SHe have personally asked Arnold Schwarzenegger to save relations between US and Russia.
I know everyone will call her naive.. but is kind of encouraging her belief she can help her country.
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