The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

higurashihougi wrote:

whir wrote:

Bloomberg wrote:IMF Says It May Finance Ukraine Even If Creditors Don’t Get Paid
by Andrew Mayeda and Kasia Klimasinska June 9, 2015 — 7:04 PM CEST

Paper is cheap and printing ink is not something very expensive... the FED still can provide quite a great number of printed papers to Ukraina as long as it ignores the devaluation and inflation of the U.S. currency.

Flagship Victory wrote:.................................................

It is terrible what the people of Donbas are going through. If they can hold on till 2018 when Putin is voted out, then they'll have a great chance. The next Russian president is sure to recognize them, arm them, train them, which Putin has never done.

89 percent of Germans want Russia to be back in the G8 format.

The poll was being held by German n-tv news channel, an affiliate network of CNN on its teletext pages.

However, a similar poll conducted by Sputnik on its website reveals that only 27 percent want Russia to discuss international politics in this format, while 62 percent are convinced that the format has long lost its relevance for the world.

The G7 members — Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States and Canada brought Russia into their club in 1998.
However in March of 2014 they suspended its membership due souring relations with Ukraine.

Since then, there have been lots of discussions with some politicians and entrepreneurs claiming that the refusal to invite Russia is a "missed opportunity" to set up a constructive dialogue in a number of conflicts.

PapaDragon wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:.................................................

It is terrible what the people of Donbas are going through. If they can hold on till 2018 when Putin is voted out, then they'll have a great chance. The next Russian president is sure to recognize them, arm them, train them, which Putin has never done.

Dude, cool your jets and stick with posting ukrop casualty figures, I enjoy those lot more than paranoia...

Yahoo wrote:European Parliament: EU must do more to counter Russia
Associated Press 1 hour ago

STRASBOURG, France (AP) — European Parliament members say Russia is no longer acting like a strategic partner of the European Union, and the EU must do more to oppose Russia's "aggressive and divisive policies."

By a 494-to-135 vote, the parliament called Wednesday on the EU's executive arm to spend more to counter what it called Russian misinformation and propaganda, and to help independent citizens' groups inside Russia.

Parliament member Gabrielius Landsbergis said Russia's annexation of Crimea and continued "aggression" against Ukraine have brought relations with Europe to a crossroads.

Landsbergis said, "It is up to the Kremlin to decide now which way it will go — cooperation or deepening alienation."

EU heads of state and government will discuss the bloc's policy toward Russia when they hold a summit meeting in Brussels on June 25-26. Continue reading.

Sky News wrote:Russian Soldiers' Deaths Raise Ukraine Questions
13:38, UK, Wednesday 10 June 2015

Vladimir Putin says there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine, but the deaths of three young servicemen tell a different story.

By Katie Stallard, in central Russia

The recent deaths of three Russian servicemen raise serious questions about the Kremlin's claim that its military is not operating in Ukraine.

Our team travelled to remote villages in central and southern Russia to find the freshly dug graves of three young men, each bearing a wreath from Russia's ministry of defence.

Anton Savelyev, Timur Mamayusupov and Ivan Kardapolov died on the same day - 5 May, 2015.

Social media activists connected their deaths through tributes posted online, and identified the locations of their graves.

They found references to the elite 16th Brigade Spetsnaz, but when Sky News asked at the base they denied having heard of any of the men.

We found the first grave in a small cemetery in the Tambov region of southern Russia, a few miles from where the 16th Brigade is based. Continue reading.

LIFENEWS wrote:Donetsk People's Republic will defend the independence of Ukraine

Андрій Дзиндзя wrote:The bombardment by ACS with Shyrokyno

RT wrote:Aerial footage: Huge plumes of black smoke billow from burning oil depot near Kiev

MNS GOV.UA wrote:Rescuers used to extinguish foamy attack tanks on tank farms

TheMedvedova wrote:Mini GRAD militia LC - Ukraine

The first explosion at the landfill Kuzminka (18)

Hannibal Barca wrote:Russia should never return to G8. In general BRICS members should never participate in United States groups. They should not have dialogue with NATO either. Only with United States alone when needed. No reason to give weight to vassals.

Kiyov TV wrote:The fire at the tank farm in Vasilkov. Lights for two days.

News-Front wrote:The battalion "Somalia" keeps the defense in the Donetsk airport. The young soldier, "Bill." June 9, 2015

Hannibal Barca wrote:Russia should never return to G8. In general BRICS members should never participate in United States groups. They should not have dialogue with NATO either. Only with United States alone when needed. No reason to give weight to vassals.

Groucho Marx made a famous joke back in 1949 about not wanting to join a club that would have him as a member.

The G7 exactly reverses that. Why would Russia want to join a club that had the G7 as members?

It’s not as if Russia was ever a real member anyway. What was called the G8 was in reality no such thing.

It was more accurately the G7+1. The economic discussions happened between the original G7.  Russia would then be invited in to talk about political issues.

What that meant in practice was that the US and the rest after their own meeting would gang up on Russia.  

Putin or for a time Medvedev would be subjected to long tedious lectures on (take your pick) Syria, human rights, carbon emissions, Ukraine etc, telling him how bad his behaviour was. The Western media would chortle about how isolated that left Russia . There’d be a final communique and a photo op. Then they’d all go home.

Putin thinks so little of the format that in 2012, just after his election, he didn’t even bother to go. (He sent Medvedev instead).

If the G7 were really as important as they think it might be worth it. The truth is they are not.

The fact is they don’t even represent the world’s biggest economies anymore. China — in purchasing power parity terms the world’s biggest economy — is not a member. Nor are India or Brazil.

The G20 is a far more important format. Cack-handed attempts by last year’s Australian hosts to exclude Russia, complete with threats to “shirt-front Putin”, got nowhere.

The BRICS also matters much more. In 2 or 3 years at most their combined GDP will have surpassed that of the G7.

Russia gains nothing by being part of the G7 and is better off outside it.

What is really weird is that the members of the G7 just don’t see it. We had all sorts of comments from people like Merkel, Hollande, Lagarde and Tusk regretting Russia wasn’t there and hinting that if Russia behaved itself it would be invited back.

If Russia is ever invited back it should just say no.

10.06.15. Репортаж от Lifenews.

"Захарченко: Я не вижу будущее ДНР в составе Украины. Глава ДНР заявил LifeNews, что жители Донецкой Народной Республики проливали кровь за независимость своего края. ДНР будет отстаивать независимость от Украины, заявил глава ДНР Александр Захарченко в эксклюзивном комментарии LifeNews. — Будущее ДНР для меня лично — это свободное независимое государство, которое может на равных разговаривать с Украиной. Любые процессы здесь должны соответствовать духу независимости… Та кровь, которая пролита нашими соотечественниками за это, — это невозможно забыть… С Украиной ни о каких самопровозглашенных автономиях даже речи быть не может, — сказал глава ДНР. Какие отношения ДНР строить с другими странами и с Россией, должен решать народ, считает Александр Захарченко. Отметим, сегодня представители ДНР и ЛНР в Контактной группе в Минске опубликовали совместное заявление, в котором подчеркнули, что идеальным вариантом для республик станет вхождение в состав Российской Федерации, однако власти республик соблюдают условия минских соглашений, рамками которых сейчас определяется статус ДНР и ЛНР."

видео видео wrote:Novosibirsk # DNR terrorist murderer shouted, bastard pig's gone.

whir wrote:

видео видео wrote:Novosibirsk # DNR terrorist murderer shouted, bastard pig's gone.

sepheronx wrote:What kinda translation is this, gibberish?
I cant view videos on my phone anymore due to browser. Whats going on?

Global Voices Online wrote:That Rare Moment When a Moscow Opposition Leader Visits Siberia
9 June 2015 2:49 GMT

Alexey Navalny, one of the leaders of the Russian opposition, made a rare trip outside Moscow on Sunday, May 7, arriving in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk, where Russia's “democratic coalition” will hold primaries next weekend. Navalny's new political alliance has organized voting in Novosibirsk and several other cities this month to select candidates for regional and district elections in September.

Navalny has faced tight travel restrictions in recent years while fighting an onslaught of legal cases brought against him following his rise to political prominence during mass protests more than three years ago. Fellow opposition leader Ilya Yashin joined Navalny in Novosibirsk at a public discussion about the coalition's politics. Yashin, a party leader of RPR-Parnas, which is a founding member of the coalition, kicked off the event by asserting the need for political change through elections, saying Russia needs a “true parliament that represents the interests of all citizens, not just a small group of bureaucrats and oligarchs.”

.... Most of the questions posed by audience members, however, were decidedly hostile.

Sporting military fatigues and a “Novorossiya” arm patch celebrating Russia's claim on lands in eastern Ukraine, a man from the crowd said, “I would like to remind everyone here who it was who went to the American embassy,” criticizing Navalny's relationship with US state officials. “Remember how Russia was betrayed in the 1990s?” he continued. “Does he want to do the same?”
....

... Navalny listened to the criticism, and responded to each audience member, countering the attacks on his patriotism by framing himself and his anti-corruption agenda as truly patriotic in contrast to Russia's current rulers. “I am going to unite around the development of the Novosibirsk region's gas infrastructure, not around [state energy giant] Gazprom,” Navalny argued... Continue reading.

Mikheil Saakashvili said Giya Lordkipanidze is a man of absolute honesty

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this Kiev today, as it says??

mack8 wrote:Are these the neo-fascist "national  guard" troops? (judging by the cross on the vehicles). Show of force against the Pork? Anyway, one can see the vast crowds and their cheering and joy...

sepheronx wrote:

whir wrote:

видео видео wrote:Novosibirsk # DNR terrorist murderer shouted, bastard pig's gone.

What kinda translation is this, gibberish?

I cant view videos on my phone anymore due to browser. Whats going on?

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this Kiev today, as it says??

Anybody have any idea what is going on?

The SMM however did receive a letter from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence saying that they would place heavy weapons back to the contact line due to what they described as the “real threat” following events in and around Marinka on 3 June. wrote: