The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

Ukraine’s Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk hopes to sell the country’s state-owned companies to the US. American investors will get the assets “on the most transparent conditions” if they decide to invest, he said.

The statement comes ahead of a Ukrainian-American investment conference in Washington on July 13.

“We want to start the privatization process… We want to see American owners on the territory of Ukraine, they will bring not only investment, but also new standards, new ways of managing the companies, and a new investment culture,” Yatsenyuk was cited as saying during his meeting with the representatives of Ukraine’s diaspora in Washington, UNIAN reported on Tuesday. Yatsenyuk and Ukraine’s Finance Minister Natalia Jaresko are in the US capital on a working visit which will last until June 10.

Vann7 wrote:What kind of Caliber is the gun of this light tank?

at 6:00 minutes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ionGIjhwJHg#t=366


In other news the Crimea thing from Europe is lip service to US.. they know
Russia will not give away Crimea and that is lost. .reason why Minsk-2 does not mentions
Crimea at all.

Now in G7 they mention it under Obama pressure , but is just PR ..

Bloomberg wrote:IMF Says It May Finance Ukraine Even If Creditors Don’t Get Paid
by Andrew Mayeda and Kasia Klimasinska June 9, 2015 — 7:04 PM CEST

The International Monetary Fund’s No. 2 official said the crisis lender can keep supporting Ukraine even if the country doesn’t pay its bondholders.

“We have a policy of lending into arrears which allows us to continue lending to a member state when it has arrears with private creditors, providing it’s fulfilling all its other commitments that it’s made to us,” IMF First Deputy Managing Director David Lipton said Tuesday in Washington. “This is a way we can go forward.”

Lipton’s comments suggest Ukraine may be able to keep drawing on IMF funding even as talks with the nation’s bondholders drag on, strengthening its hand in negotiations with creditors. A halt to IMF financing would cut off a vital source of cash for the country as it struggles through a recession and signs of renewed conflict with pro-Russian separatists in its eastern region.

Ukraine’s government is negotiating with holders of its sovereign bonds in an attempt to reduce the country’s debt. A $17.5-billion bailout by the IMF assumes Ukraine can save $15.3 billion by 2018 through the debt restructuring.

Speaking in an interview Tuesday in Washington, Ukrainian Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko said she hopes the debt talks will be resolved in a “reasonable period of time.”

Her government is willing to compromise within the parameters of the criteria set by the IMF, as long as a deal doesn’t involve using central bank reserves to pay debt, said Jaresko, who is visiting Washington this week for talks, including with U.S. Treasury officials. Continue reading.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:To be brief - I am pissed off at how the situation in the east looks like now.

There is way too little initiative on DNR/LNR side - the front urgently needs to move several dozen kilometers west, away fron Donetsk and Gorlovka. Now when arms are arriving again, it would be quite easy to pull off another Debeltsevo in July-August.

BTW: That commercial about Ukrainian AF is funny actually - when was the last time Ukrainians used air force in this conflict? A year ago?

Rodinazombie wrote:Kiosk owners have blocked a street in kiev in protest. Its only small, but it just shows every man and his dog is pissed with the current regime.

How do i get this image to show? I havent got a clue about linking pics to forums, cheers!

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:To be brief - I am pissed off at how the situation in the east looks like now.

There is way too little initiative on DNR/LNR side - the front urgently needs to move several dozen kilometers west, away fron Donetsk and Gorlovka. Now when arms are arriving again, it would be quite easy to pull off another Debeltsevo in July-August.

BTW: That commercial about Ukrainian AF is funny actually - when was the last time Ukrainians used air force in this conflict? A year ago?

Here is a long article about the overall situation of Ukraine in Slavyangrad: http://slavyangrad.org/2015/06/07/ukraine-what-remains-of-minsk/

For the bolded part: The article claims that the NAF could have taken Mariupol and gone further towards Kherson last September, but was stopped by the Kremlin from doing so. For some reason the Kremlin thinks that Novorossiya should not get any more territory than they currently have.

whir wrote:

Bloomberg wrote:IMF Says It May Finance Ukraine Even If Creditors Don’t Get Paid
by Andrew Mayeda and Kasia Klimasinska June 9, 2015 — 7:04 PM CEST

Karl Haushofer wrote:Well, I have pretty much given up any hope that Russia is going to change its policy towards Ukraine and Donbass. Another gas discount for Ukraine yesterday was the final nail to the coffin. A year ago I used to watch these videos of shelling and people being killed with fury and wanting to revenge on Kiev, but now I decide to skip them. No need to get my blood pressure up knowing that the ones who commit these crimes will not be punished in any way, and the shelling and suffering of Novorossiyan people is not going to stop in the foreseeable future.

Russia is in a position to stop this violence (give the NAF enough help to drive the Kiev regime 30-50km westwards from the current line) but for whatever reason Russia does not see this as necessary. People of Novorossiya have become victims of the blood lust of Kiev/the West and Russia's unwillingness to interfere.

This is why I talk about surrender. The current situation is the worst for Novorossiya. If Russia does not care about Novorossiya then why should Novorosiya care about Russia's geopolitical interests? Just surrender and stop the war.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Well, I have pretty much given up any hope that Russia is going to change its policy towards Ukraine and Donbass. Another gas discount for Ukraine yesterday was the final nail to the coffin. A year ago I used to watch these videos of shelling and people being killed with fury and wanting to revenge on Kiev, but now I decide to skip them. No need to get my blood pressure up knowing that the ones who commit these crimes will not be punished in any way, and the shelling and suffering of Novorossiyan people is not going to stop in the foreseeable future.

Russia is in a position to stop this violence (give the NAF enough help to drive the Kiev regime 30-50km westwards from the current line) but for whatever reason Russia does not see this as necessary. People of Novorossiya have become victims of the blood lust of Kiev/the West and Russia's unwillingness to interfere.

This is why I talk about surrender. The current situation is the worst for Novorossiya. If Russia does not care about Novorossiya then why should Novorosiya care about Russia's geopolitical interests? Just surrender and stop the war.

Erk wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Well, I have pretty much given up any hope that Russia is going to change its policy towards Ukraine and Donbass. Another gas discount for Ukraine yesterday was the final nail to the coffin. A year ago I used to watch these videos of shelling and people being killed with fury and wanting to revenge on Kiev, but now I decide to skip them. No need to get my blood pressure up knowing that the ones who commit these crimes will not be punished in any way, and the shelling and suffering of Novorossiyan people is not going to stop in the foreseeable future.

Russia is in a position to stop this violence (give the NAF enough help to drive the Kiev regime 30-50km westwards from the current line) but for whatever reason Russia does not see this as necessary. People of Novorossiya have become victims of the blood lust of Kiev/the West and Russia's unwillingness to interfere.

This is why I talk about surrender. The current situation is the worst for Novorossiya. If Russia does not care about Novorossiya then why should Novorosiya care about Russia's geopolitical interests? Just surrender and stop the war.

I am quite sure there are smart people in the NAF and Russia that know exactly what the pros and cons of the current situation is, if it were as easy as you say to just push the UAF 20-30km further west I am sure they would have done it by now. Every move has it's repercussions.

Regular wrote:No matter what Russia or Novorosiya does - they are still are labeled as agressors.
Russia is just playing political games there. I think it's about time we stop thinking that Russian gov cares about the suffering Russians there.

Regular wrote:I think it's about time we stop thinking that Russian gov cares about the suffering Russians there.

Erk wrote:

Regular wrote:No matter what Russia or Novorosiya does - they are still are labeled as agressors.
Russia is just playing political games there. I think it's about time we stop thinking that Russian gov cares about the suffering Russians there.

It's the general public who believe the labeling via the western media. The leaders of countries know the truth from their intelligence people, agreeing with Washington is for political reasons, not because leaders think it's the truth. Washington uses bribes or blackmail behind the scenes all the time to get what they want from other countries.

Kiev will burn itself out, it's only a matter of time for the citizens to stop supporting the putsch government. Be patient. Then the US will have to resort to plan B.

arpakola wrote:RESOLUTION of SYRIZA - KAISARIANI District, on the WAR IN UKRAINE AND THE planed SANCTIONS of EU AGAINST THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

Rodinazombie wrote:.................................................................

I can understand that not allowing novorossia to gain more territory makes sense in terms of stopping the war, but in this case it helps to prolong it because the ukies are so close to the major cities they can just sit back and shell them for the fun of it.

They should have been pushed back at least 30-50km from donetsk city, at least if there would be minor shirokino style skirmishes, it would be much better than having the capital under constant ukie shelling.

What worries me a little, is that the eu-russia ties are very slowly thawing. And that obama is a lame duck that can do nothing is becoming apparent to all and some eu members are starting to look east. Too aggressive a move may swing the pendulum back the other way and russia could lose the political gains its made recently, is putin ready to sacrifice that for the sake of a few dozen civilians here and there in donbass? Or will he look away as long as the fighting doesnt become too noticable?

Erk wrote:

Regular wrote:No matter what Russia or Novorosiya does - they are still are labeled as agressors.
Russia is just playing political games there. I think it's about time we stop thinking that Russian gov cares about the suffering Russians there.

It's the general public who believe the labeling via the western media. The leaders of countries know the truth from their intelligence people, agreeing with Washington is for political reasons, not because leaders think it's the truth. Washington uses bribes or blackmail behind the scenes all the time to get what they want from other countries.

Kiev will burn itself out, it's only a matter of time for the citizens to stop supporting the putsch government. Be patient. Then the US will have to resort to plan B.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Erk wrote:

Regular wrote:No matter what Russia or Novorosiya does - they are still are labeled as agressors.
Russia is just playing political games there. I think it's about time we stop thinking that Russian gov cares about the suffering Russians there.

It's the general public who believe the labeling via the western media. The leaders of countries know the truth from their intelligence people, agreeing with Washington is for political reasons, not because leaders think it's the truth. Washington uses bribes or blackmail behind the scenes all the time to get what they want from other countries.

Kiev will burn itself out, it's only a matter of time for the citizens to stop supporting the putsch government. Be patient. Then the US will have to resort to plan B.

"Washington uses bribes or blackmail behind the scenes all the time to get what they want from other countries"

I wonder what exactly is the leverage that Washington has that allows them to force the Eurotrash leaders to betray the interests of their own nations and people, and act as slavish stooges of Mordor on the Potomac.  Merkel perplexes me greatly.  I cannot believe that she doesn't know the truth, but her subservience to Uh'murican "leadership" is infuriating.  I wonder if the NSA have evidence that she was an informant for the Stasi back in the days of the GDR?