The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

That was the last straw for Kolesnikov's grandfather, a former KGB officer in whose apartment the youth was living in Podolsk. He packed Kolesnikov off on a train to his father in the Samara Oblast town of Zhigulyovsk.

In a long post on Facebook, Kolesnikov says his grandfather explained his actions with these words: "You are my enemy. You betrayed the country.... You are an immature imbecile and you don't understand that the United States used them [Ukrainians] as cannon fodder to bring down Putin. You are a danger to my family and me. They will come for you."

Rodinazombie wrote:BTW, saakashvili has been bad mouthing the ukrainian government and poroshenko quite a lot recently. Not something you would expect from a man grateful to his new employers who are protecting him from jailtime back home. I hardly think poroshenko would have happily appointed someone who would be so critical of him right off the bat. I get the feeling saakashvili has been forced on poroshenko by the USA.

Дніпро-1 Аеророзвідка wrote:Lugansk - 200 units of military equipment found regiment "Dnepr-1"

Big_Gazza wrote:
Explosion?  How outrageous!!!...  No tactical squad following up with body armour, assault weapons and grenades?  Talk about opportunity lost.....

Khepesh wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:
Explosion?  How outrageous!!!...  No tactical squad following up with body armour, assault weapons and grenades?  Talk about opportunity lost.....

There are some curious mental gymnastics going on within Ukraine, well, allways. But here SBU are attempting to say the explosion was "spontaneous", that there was a build up of pressure within the building, not gas, just some strange "pressure" and other vague nonsense about tins of paint. I think that even if it was partizan activity, then Kiev at this moment would prefer to call it an accident rather than give the population the idea that there is any resistance to Kiev. I would not be surprised if when the next railway tracks are blown up then Kiev will say it was caused by heat of Sun causing sudden expansion of the rails, anything but reality....

higurashihougi wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-15/obamas-anti-russia-policy-escalates-dod-tells-congress-nukes-are-still-table#comment-6200328

Just to let you guys know, the US government is indeed insane and considering possible striking Russia.

If true, this is one of the scariest, bat-shit crazy things I have ever heard, and the final proof (in case any was needed) that the US Ruling Elite are stone-cold psychopaths and lunatics.  It's not exactly surprising, but still shocking when these maniacs actually come out and say it.

Well, if they ever do decide to actually strike, I am hoping Russia will strike back hard as a means of showing they truly mean business.  If both sides leave it to cruise missile use, it could spare us a full blown nuclear war.

That is simply a mean to jerk off the uneducated and brainwashed White House's minions in the world. I am assured that there is no way the White house can ever think of that even in its wildest dream.

Nuclear weapons of the U.S. is clearly inferior to Russia. Since the event when the USSR tested Tsar Bomba in 1961, it is clear that there is no way the West can outcompete Russia in nuclear weapons.

Not to mention the level of U.S. - Russia trade. Boeing still need titanium parts made by Russia. Western astronaunts and satellites still need Russian space rockets. The core parts of ISS is maintained by Russia. Recentlya certain U.S. gasoline billionaire has just made a great investment into Russia disregard of "sanction".

If Obama really wanted to nuke Russia, he would immediately meet the same fate as Kennedy.

More trash talk from the Mulatto Messiahs stooges. They will never launch a pre emptive nuclear strike because if it were possible to win, the USSA would have already done it.  Instead, we see a bunch of lunatics performing  a monkey threat dance to intimidate the Russkis. No doubt Putin and crew are shaking in their shoes, LOL

Unfortunately for us, when the Russians have had enough, we won't know it in advance.  They will just act.

Vann7 wrote:This news needs more coverage..  
2 ukrainian intelligence officers defect to Donetsk and Lugansk and what they report
is nothing but staggering and mind blowing..  The war is worse than we thought..

They claim in debaltsevo alone Ukraine lost about 7,000 soldiers killed.. but Kiev only reported
~200 killed or missing..  In Llovainsk cauldron  Kiev reported about 100 killed ,but in reality they lost about 2,600 ukie soldiers killed in action..

They talk about massive rapes of womens and including children..by kiev forces and that even Ukrainian soldiers who try to quit the war are being shot. and talk about many mercenaries from Poland ,LIthuan and ROmanian that comes to fight for money in the side of kiev.

They also talk how the media totally controllev in kiev ,have help from Foreign Intelligence
Service in propaganda... how to effectively blame all that happens in Ukraine to Russia.and
keep people in Ukraine behind the government.

Alexei explained that for him, "the turning point was [finding out] that the people of Donetsk and Lugansk are being deliberately exterminated. They [Kiev authorities] do not pay attention to how many children will die. No one could have thought that such a thing could happen to our country. This is a clear policy of genocide against the people of Donbass. I consider this to be morally unacceptable, and I am not the only one."

Commenting on who is responsible for what they call genocide, the brothers noted that "the crimes against civilians are being committed mainly by representatives of the territorial battalions. This includes Aidar, Azov and Tornado. Innocent people are summarily shot, demeaned, and have their property taken from them. Women are raped en masse, including minors. There have been instances reported of conscripts who fled the battlefield being shot. Local branches of the 'Nova Poshta' [a Ukrainian delivery service] are crammed with property stolen from civilians."

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150615/1023397660.html


So if that information is correct , the loses of Ukraine army have to be in the 20,000 to 30,000
since the start of the war..And this does not include wounded people..

Regular wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:
I was VERY supportive towards Novorossiya when the war started. I wanted them to win and crush the Kiev fascists.

Now I have become just disgusted about the whole thing. For me it is not important who wins this war. I just want it to end.

X2
Ideas of Novorossiya died IMHO. This war is not about future of Ukraine or their people. It's Russian and american proxy war. Both of powers seem to do everything to achieve their goals. Russia where very cautious not to step in it, but they were pulled in eventually. By the end of the day there are no good guys. US is becoming very passive aggressive when it comes to Russia these days. It seeks conflict all the time.
And what worries me most is that US is picking up very same things why Americans hated Soviet union. Now it's the land of the free who is spying on it's own people, bullying neighbors, using ridiculous propaganda, controlling allies, implanting "comrade" governments all over the world.

Daily Mail wrote:EXCLUSIVE: Ukrainian female sniper reveals how she went from tax worker to pro-Russian executioner who killed two prisoners as they begged for their lives after telling them: 'I have to kill you for my children's sake'
By ROC MORIN FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 09:15 GMT, 15 June 2015 | UPDATED: 09:42 GMT, 16 June 2015

Oksana Gimrakova has killed 24 Ukrainians since joining separatist army
Her husband claims Kiev government has a $200,000 bounty on her head
He told how she executed two PoWs during battle for disputed Ukraine city
She shot them both despite officer telling her: 'I have a wife and a child'

Before the war, Oksana Gimrakova was a tax collector for the Ukrainian government and had never held a gun in her life.

A year later, after joining the separatist army of the Donetsk People's Republic, she is her unit's most feared sniper.

'I have killed 24 Ukrainians,' the 28-year-old mother boasted.

'And they are offering $200,000 for her head,' her husband Ruslan added with a grin.

While the veracity of the reward figure proved difficult to confirm, the husband and wife do appear prominently on the Ukrainian anti-terrorist watch list Peacemaker.

The site features pictures and information culled from the couple's social media pages. They are represented as 'fighters of an illegal military group.'

Photographs of their wedding day are interspersed with Hollywood-esque shots of the pair posing with weapons.

In addition to the 24 official kills claimed by Oksana, there are at least two unofficial ones.

Plagued by nightmares, Ruslan confided that his wife had executed two prisoners of war during the battle for Mayorsk, a suburb of Horlivka.

One POW had been an officer, and the other, a 22-year-old infantryman like Ruslan himself.

'He begged for his life,' Ruslan continued. 'I have a wife and kid,' he pleaded.

'Oksana told him "No, you're guilty like the rest of them. I'm afraid for my own son.' Then she shot him and the other one.'

The executions characterise an increasingly bitter war now in its 15th month. Continue reading.

whir wrote:

Daily Mail wrote:EXCLUSIVE: Ukrainian female sniper reveals how she went from tax worker to pro-Russian executioner who killed two prisoners as they begged for their lives after telling them: 'I have to kill you for my children's sake'
By ROC MORIN FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 09:15 GMT, 15 June 2015 | UPDATED: 09:42 GMT, 16 June 2015

Oksana Gimrakova has killed 24 Ukrainians since joining separatist army
Her husband claims Kiev government has a $200,000 bounty on her head
He told how she executed two PoWs during battle for disputed Ukraine city
She shot them both despite officer telling her: 'I have a wife and a child'

Before the war, Oksana Gimrakova was a tax collector for the Ukrainian government and had never held a gun in her life.

A year later, after joining the separatist army of the Donetsk People's Republic, she is her unit's most feared sniper.

'I have killed 24 Ukrainians,' the 28-year-old mother boasted.

'And they are offering $200,000 for her head,' her husband Ruslan added with a grin.

While the veracity of the reward figure proved difficult to confirm, the husband and wife do appear prominently on the Ukrainian anti-terrorist watch list Peacemaker.  

The site features pictures and information culled from the couple's social media pages. They are represented as 'fighters of an illegal military group.'

Photographs of their wedding day are interspersed with Hollywood-esque shots of the pair posing with weapons.

In addition to the 24 official kills claimed by Oksana, there are at least two unofficial ones.

Plagued by nightmares, Ruslan confided that his wife had executed two prisoners of war during the battle for Mayorsk, a suburb of Horlivka.

One POW had been an officer, and the other, a 22-year-old infantryman like Ruslan himself.

'He begged for his life,' Ruslan continued. 'I have a wife and kid,' he pleaded.

'Oksana told him "No, you're guilty like the rest of them. I'm afraid for my own son.' Then she shot him and the other one.'

The executions characterise an increasingly bitter war now in its 15th month. Continue reading.

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

Neverheless I think she was wrong because the donbass army shouldn't lower itself to the shitrainian standards and actually  follow international conduct for POW treatment. It may sound a little idealistic but an eye for an eye makes the world go blind . Right wing hard line conservatives unfortunately fail to see this.

By abiding to the conduct their  side can can actually make new allies out of the POWs by showing them that they have more humanity than the Maidowns , most of them who are completely impoverished, mistreated and of questionable loyalty to neoliberal right wing ideas.

Flagship Victory wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

Neverheless I think she was wrong because the donbass army shouldn't lower itself to the shitrainian standards and actually  follow international conduct for POW treatment. It may sound a little idealistic but an eye for an eye makes the world go blind . Right wing hard line conservatives unfortunately fail to see this.

By abiding to the conduct their  side can can actually make new allies out of the POWs by showing them that they have more humanity than the Maidowns , most of them who are completely impoverished, mistreated and of questionable loyalty to neoliberal right wing ideas.

This is not a war. There are no POWs. If I were an NAF soldier I'd shoot every single one of those Maidan bastards, with their hands up or otherwise.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

Neverheless I think she was wrong because the donbass army shouldn't lower itself to the shitrainian standards and actually  follow international conduct for POW treatment. It may sound a little idealistic but an eye for an eye makes the world go blind . Right wing hard line conservatives unfortunately fail to see this.

By abiding to the conduct their  side can can actually make new allies out of the POWs by showing them that they have more humanity than the Maidowns , most of them who are completely impoverished, mistreated and of questionable loyalty to neoliberal right wing ideas.

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

Neverheless I think she was wrong because the donbass army shouldn't lower itself to the shitrainian standards and actually  follow international conduct for POW treatment. It may sound a little idealistic but an eye for an eye makes the world go blind . Right wing hard line conservatives unfortunately fail to see this.

By abiding to the conduct their  side can can actually make new allies out of the POWs by showing them that they have more humanity than the Maidowns , most of them who are completely impoverished, mistreated and of questionable loyalty to neoliberal right wing ideas.

This is not a war. There are no POWs. If I were an NAF soldier I'd shoot every single one of those Maidan bastards, with their hands up or otherwise.

If we were living in the middle ages then I'd agree, but today we have some little things like the geneva convention, due process, and modern morals, you know, things integral to international law, something the russian world supposedly commited completely into?

BKP wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

Neverheless I think she was wrong because the donbass army shouldn't lower itself to the shitrainian standards and actually  follow international conduct for POW treatment. It may sound a little idealistic but an eye for an eye makes the world go blind . Right wing hard line conservatives unfortunately fail to see this.

By abiding to the conduct their  side can can actually make new allies out of the POWs by showing them that they have more humanity than the Maidowns , most of them who are completely impoverished, mistreated and of questionable loyalty to neoliberal right wing ideas.

X2, generally speaking. Unless they're Nazi militia, whose members should indeed be shot outright, IMO. But I think it's especially poor form to be boasting of these things openly. I find the whole habit of making a public spectacle of one's self on social media deplorable, and it seems to have seeped into everything now. These people should be disciplined.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
If we were living in the middle ages then I'd agree, but today we have some little things like the geneva convention, due process, and modern morals, you know, things integral to international law, something the russian world supposedly commited completely into?

Karl Haushofer wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Please don't shoot me, I have a child and a wife." Which is why he came to Donbass to kill fathers and husbands with women and children of their own. Great logic there. They all sing the same song when caught "I was forced to" or "We didn't know where we were going right until the end" and other bullshit. I say no mercy at all for these people. One day they are shouting glory to their country, the next day they are begging for mercy.

Neverheless I think she was wrong because the donbass army shouldn't lower itself to the shitrainian standards and actually  follow international conduct for POW treatment. It may sound a little idealistic but an eye for an eye makes the world go blind . Right wing hard line conservatives unfortunately fail to see this.

By abiding to the conduct their  side can can actually make new allies out of the POWs by showing them that they have more humanity than the Maidowns , most of them who are completely impoverished, mistreated and of questionable loyalty to neoliberal right wing ideas.

This is not a war. There are no POWs. If I were an NAF soldier I'd shoot every single one of those Maidan bastards, with their hands up or otherwise.

If we were living in the middle ages then I'd agree, but today we have some little things like the geneva convention, due process, and modern morals, you know, things integral to international law, something the russian world supposedly commited completely into?

The problem is that the other side in this war is not following the same rules and conventions that are demanded from the NAF. The Kiev is not being punished or even accused when it commits war crimes.

Trying to maintain moral superiority is great, but in this kind of a situation it does not help to achieve the victory. And victory at the end is the most important thing. It is better to win and break the rules and lose and fight noble. Especially when the other side is breaking the rules even more than you do.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
Deciding on wether to imprison or execute a POW without trial has no influence on the military situation in any way, be it numerical, logictical, morale, training, etc. In fact as I said in the earlier post, sparing the life of an ukrop POW will make him a potential fighting ally or at least a cheap labour resource.  

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
By doing the latter the donbass is confirming some of the accusations western propagaqnda throws at it.