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JohninMK wrote:Hi Khepesh, good to see your name again.The photo I have seen shows a big crater, aren't thermobaric weapons primarily surface blast devices?
Thank you. I will try to be useful.auslander wrote:JohninMK wrote:Hi Khepesh, good to see your name again.The photo I have seen shows a big crater, aren't thermobaric weapons primarily surface blast devices?
John, as was so politely said to me when I arrived here, welcome home.
The crater is in my opinion no doubt Tuchka. As far as I know OSCE has yet to visit the scene of the crater or any Tuchka crater since the beginning.
JohninMK wrote:auslander wrote:John, as was so politely said to me when I arrived here, welcome home.JohninMK wrote:Hi Khepesh, good to see your name again.The photo I have seen shows a big crater, aren't thermobaric weapons primarily surface blast devices?
The crater is in my opinion no doubt Tuchka. As far as I know OSCE has yet to visit the scene of the crater or any Tuchka crater since the beginning.
Thank you. I will try to be useful.
Clearly the OSCE don't have a head for heights, or should that be depths!
Does indeed look like a Tochka-U crater to me, but for some reason it is being said to be thermobaric, and I don't know why that is so. One complication to all these explosions at DZRHI is that if an incoming munition does hit one of the storage facilities, then, if it is a direct hit, the primary and secondry explosions will be essentially simultaneous and an explosion of the RDX stored there will leave a huge hole. There is something not quite right about the reporting of what happens there, and the previous explosion, about a month or so back, being put down to controlled demolition of unexploded munitions did not seem to be the truth then, and not now.JohninMK wrote:Hi Khepesh, good to see your name again.Khepesh wrote:Perhaps underestimating. ukrops have a battery of BM-30 near Kurakhovo and it is possible that the attack on the chemical plant yesterday was by two thermobaric missiles fired in salvo. The warhead weight of two 9M55S is the same as one Tochka-UJohninMK wrote:Not sure what this means. Sometimes Bausurin seems to over exaggerate.
MOSCOW, June 17. /TASS/. The reconnaissance units of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic have identified the arrival of another 40 pieces of military equipment and some 300 troops at the frontline, the spokesman for the unrecognized republic's defense ministry has told TASS.
"The Donetsk republic’s intelligence groups keep registering redeployments of Ukrainian manpower and materiel. Two multiple rocket launchers Grad have been moved from Volnovakha to Andreyevka. Five multiple rocket launchers have been moved eastwards from Kurakhovo," the Donetsk News Agency quotes Basurin as saying.
In the village of Ostroye 19 Grad launchers and four Uragan launchers have been deployed, and four self-propelled artillery systems MSTA-2S and three systems Giatsint-B have been spotted in the village of Kleban-Byk.
"In the area of Andreyevka the location has been established of three Grad multiple rocket launchers. Up to 300 troops have arrived in the town," Basurin said.
The photo I have seen shows a big crater, aren't thermobaric weapons primarily surface blast devices?
Khepesh wrote:Does indeed look like a Tochka-U crater to me, but for some reason it is being said to be thermobaric, and I don't know why that is so. One complication to all these explosions at DZRHI is that if an incoming munition does hit one of the storage facilities, then, if it is a direct hit, the primary and secondry explosions will be essentially simultaneous and an explosion of the RDX stored there will leave a huge hole. There is something not quite right about the reporting of what happens there, and the previous explosion, about a month or so back, being put down to controlled demolition of unexploded munitions did not seem to be the truth then, and not now.JohninMK wrote:Hi Khepesh, good to see your name again.Khepesh wrote:Perhaps underestimating. ukrops have a battery of BM-30 near Kurakhovo and it is possible that the attack on the chemical plant yesterday was by two thermobaric missiles fired in salvo. The warhead weight of two 9M55S is the same as one Tochka-UJohninMK wrote:Not sure what this means. Sometimes Bausurin seems to over exaggerate.
MOSCOW, June 17. /TASS/. The reconnaissance units of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic have identified the arrival of another 40 pieces of military equipment and some 300 troops at the frontline, the spokesman for the unrecognized republic's defense ministry has told TASS.
"The Donetsk republic’s intelligence groups keep registering redeployments of Ukrainian manpower and materiel. Two multiple rocket launchers Grad have been moved from Volnovakha to Andreyevka. Five multiple rocket launchers have been moved eastwards from Kurakhovo," the Donetsk News Agency quotes Basurin as saying.
In the village of Ostroye 19 Grad launchers and four Uragan launchers have been deployed, and four self-propelled artillery systems MSTA-2S and three systems Giatsint-B have been spotted in the village of Kleban-Byk.
"In the area of Andreyevka the location has been established of three Grad multiple rocket launchers. Up to 300 troops have arrived in the town," Basurin said.
The photo I have seen shows a big crater, aren't thermobaric weapons primarily surface blast devices?
News-Front wrote:The picket the US embassy in Kiev: people demand to remove US troops and weapons to the Donbas
More than a thousand people of Kiev near the American embassy demanding the United States to stop the war in the Donbas
Джон Траст / John Trust wrote:Unkind morning near Marinka (Brigade "tag" to repel the attacks APU, 06.17.15)
Looking at all the photos I would also say that the crater was made by HE 100%, not thermobaric, and that the crater width and depth is to large to be made by even two rockets fired from BM-30 hitting at the same time, even if they were HE and not thermobaric, and had not detonated any stored munitions. Pion would not make such a big crater either as the warhead weight is only quarter that of Tochka.auslander wrote:Whatever it was it seems to have hit dead square on a rail line and also seems to have taking out a fair sized box car. Perhaps the ukes got lucky with an arty round and hit a boxcar full of ammo? Still, the crater is huge and having seen older photos of munitions brewing up in boxcars I've never seen a crater that size except from other Tuchka hits.
Khepesh wrote:Looking at all the photos I would also say that the crater was made by HE 100%, not thermobaric, and that the crater width and depth is to large to be made by even two rockets fired from BM-30 hitting at the same time, even if they were HE and not thermobaric, and had not detonated any stored munitions. Pion would not make such a big crater either as the warhead weight is only quarter that of Tochka.auslander wrote:Whatever it was it seems to have hit dead square on a rail line and also seems to have taking out a fair sized box car. Perhaps the ukes got lucky with an arty round and hit a boxcar full of ammo? Still, the crater is huge and having seen older photos of munitions brewing up in boxcars I've never seen a crater that size except from other Tuchka hits.
auslander wrote:...............................................
In my opinion OSCE should be tossed out of Novorossiya. They have zero equipment, not even a measuring tape, and by eye they decide where a round came from, what it was and who fired it. Not a danged one of them knows what he's talking about and two of them have been caught, both Ukes, setting up targeting devices for the uke arty, that was in late March and early April in Donetsk.
Someone doesn't want to say the T wordauslander wrote:Khepesh wrote:Looking at all the photos I would also say that the crater was made by HE 100%, not thermobaric, and that the crater width and depth is to large to be made by even two rockets fired from BM-30 hitting at the same time, even if they were HE and not thermobaric, and had not detonated any stored munitions. Pion would not make such a big crater either as the warhead weight is only quarter that of Tochka.auslander wrote:Whatever it was it seems to have hit dead square on a rail line and also seems to have taking out a fair sized box car. Perhaps the ukes got lucky with an arty round and hit a boxcar full of ammo? Still, the crater is huge and having seen older photos of munitions brewing up in boxcars I've never seen a crater that size except from other Tuchka hits.
Watched the vid on Strelkov and there was a couple of quite large radius metal pieces at the bottom of the hole, way larger than Pion or BM-30. If they are indeed parts of the delivery system it's Tuchka.
PapaDragon wrote:auslander wrote:...............................................
In my opinion OSCE should be tossed out of Novorossiya. They have zero equipment, not even a measuring tape, and by eye they decide where a round came from, what it was and who fired it. Not a danged one of them knows what he's talking about and two of them have been caught, both Ukes, setting up targeting devices for the uke arty, that was in late March and early April in Donetsk.
What you just described pretty much sums up OSCE's approach to the T.
This is the same thing they have been doing here in the Balkans. Trust me, they know damn well where every shell came from and who fired it and everyone who thinks that they are impartial in this (or any other) matter is a very naive individual (to put it politely).
This goes beyond OSCE. International Red Cross has more than once demonstrated nasty habit of smuggling weapons and ordinance to some very unsavory groups and when our guys would seize the shipments the "humanitarians" would go on camera and scream bloody murder.
Doctors Without Borders also have some nasty skeletons in their closets...
par far wrote:http://rt.com/business/267802-eu-russia-economic-sanctions/
You knew this was coming.
par far wrote:http://rt.com/business/267802-eu-russia-economic-sanctions/
You knew this was coming.
PapaDragon wrote:auslander wrote:...............................................
In my opinion OSCE should be tossed out of Novorossiya. They have zero equipment, not even a measuring tape, and by eye they decide where a round came from, what it was and who fired it. Not a danged one of them knows what he's talking about and two of them have been caught, both Ukes, setting up targeting devices for the uke arty, that was in late March and early April in Donetsk.
What you just described pretty much sums up OSCE's approach to the T.
This is the same thing they have been doing here in the Balkans. Trust me, they know damn well where every shell came from and who fired it and everyone who thinks that they are impartial in this (or any other) matter is a very naive individual (to put it politely).
This goes beyond OSCE. International Red Cross has more than once demonstrated nasty habit of smuggling weapons and ordinance to some very unsavory groups and when our guys would seize the shipments the "humanitarians" would go on camera and scream bloody murder.
Doctors Without Borders also have some nasty skeletons in their closets...
Erk wrote:The US/EU have declared war on Russia, if not in words but actions. Sanctions are just one of their weapons of war.par far wrote:http://rt.com/business/267802-eu-russia-economic-sanctions/
You knew this was coming.
SEVASTOPOL, June 17. /TASS/. Ships and submarines that will enter service with the Russian Black Sea Fleet will eventually undergo upgrade and maintenance at the Sevastopol Sea Plant that previously belonged to Ukrainian billionaire President Petro Poroshenko, Plant Director Alexander Yuryev said on Wednesday.
The Sevastopol Sea Plant has recently been turned into a state unitary enterprise, the director said.
"After the arrival of Project 636 submarines and the expiry of their warranty period operation, repairs will be held here. The corvettes under construction at the Yantar shipyard will undergo modernization and repairs at our plant. This has already been decided," he said.
The Russian Black Sea Fleet is to get six Project 636.3 Varshavyanka-class submarines before the autumn of 2016. The first two submarines dubbed Novorossiysk and Rostov-on-Don were already transferred to the Navy last year. So far, they are undergoing deep-water tests in Russia’s Northern Fleet.
The third submarine dubbed Stary Oskol will be handed over the Navy during the international naval show in St. Petersburg in July.
The Sevastopol Sea Plant, formerly known as the Lazarev Admiralty, was founded in 1783. This largest ship-building enterprise in Sevastopol has three dry docks.
During the Soviet period, the Sevastopol Sea Plant was among the world’s leaders in the construction of crane vessels but actually ground to a halt by 2010, keeping only 200 workers out of the 16,000 workforce.
The Sevastopol Sea Plant was placed under full control of Ukrprominvest Group owned by Poroshenko in December 2010.
After Crimea’s reintegration into Russia, the Sevastopol government took a decision in February 2015 to place the enterprise into state ownership.
PapaDragon wrote:Oh no, you didn't !!!
Ukraine president’s former factory to service Russian Black Sea Fleet’s ships
After Crimea’s reintegration into Russia, the Sevastopol government took a decision to place the Sevastopol Sea Plant into state ownership
http://tass.ru/en/russia/801444
SEVASTOPOL, June 17. /TASS/. Ships and submarines that will enter service with the Russian Black Sea Fleet will eventually undergo upgrade and maintenance at the Sevastopol Sea Plant that previously belonged to Ukrainian billionaire President Petro Poroshenko, Plant Director Alexander Yuryev said on Wednesday.
The Sevastopol Sea Plant has recently been turned into a state unitary enterprise, the director said.
"After the arrival of Project 636 submarines and the expiry of their warranty period operation, repairs will be held here. The corvettes under construction at the Yantar shipyard will undergo modernization and repairs at our plant. This has already been decided," he said.
The Russian Black Sea Fleet is to get six Project 636.3 Varshavyanka-class submarines before the autumn of 2016. The first two submarines dubbed Novorossiysk and Rostov-on-Don were already transferred to the Navy last year. So far, they are undergoing deep-water tests in Russia’s Northern Fleet.
The third submarine dubbed Stary Oskol will be handed over the Navy during the international naval show in St. Petersburg in July.
The Sevastopol Sea Plant, formerly known as the Lazarev Admiralty, was founded in 1783. This largest ship-building enterprise in Sevastopol has three dry docks.
During the Soviet period, the Sevastopol Sea Plant was among the world’s leaders in the construction of crane vessels but actually ground to a halt by 2010, keeping only 200 workers out of the 16,000 workforce.
The Sevastopol Sea Plant was placed under full control of Ukrprominvest Group owned by Poroshenko in December 2010.
After Crimea’s reintegration into Russia, the Sevastopol government took a decision in February 2015 to place the enterprise into state ownership.
auslander wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Oh no, you didn't !!!
Ukraine president’s former factory to service Russian Black Sea Fleet’s ships
After Crimea’s reintegration into Russia, the Sevastopol government took a decision to place the Sevastopol Sea Plant into state ownership
http://tass.ru/en/russia/801444
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Poroshenko's goons just walked in six years ago, told all the workers to leave and padlocked the gates. His plan was to turn it in to a yacht club next to City Center. One can not own stolen property, that includes stolen government property.
17 Канал wrote:Forbidden Donbass. Tank Battalion DNR
In tankers of DNI every day are learning. The special correspondent of "17 channel" Roman Hnatiuk made a report about the life of a tank battalion of militia. The action takes place in one of the ranges under Torez Donetsk region. Militants talk about the reasons that led them to the militia and forced to speak out against official Kyiv in arms. About how hard to drive a tank, and people looking at the world through sight, seeing the future. They say the tankers and their commander, and instructor with the call sign "Efim".
Credit where credit is due, the RAF hit Dresden first then the USAAF followed up the following day. Nothing to do with sharing the responsibility as 'Bomber' Harris of the RAF took all the blame.Neutrality wrote:
Head of "Brotherhood" and former leader of UNA-UNTSO calls on to create concentration camps for the citizens of Donbass in order to break the moral spirit of the resistance. Bombing of civilian quarters is a good thing. He's taking the USA's example when they bombed Dresden in order to break the Wehrmach morale.
Total insanity. I hope the UN, OSCE and the UNSC are listening to this gentlemen.
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