Algeria People's National Armed Forces

How does one even cram 257 people inside an il-76? I remember the talk of an Iranian crash some years earlier, where their il-76 was carrying 275 people. Again - how are those numbers even possible? Looking at the cabin dimensions and available images of seating arrangement in il-76 and similar transport planes - the only way those figures are achievable is if people were literally sitting on the floor, shoulder to shoulder, crammed to the fullest.

eridan wrote:How does one even cram 257 people inside an il-76? I remember the talk of an Iranian crash some years earlier, where their il-76 was carrying 275 people. Again - how are those numbers even possible? Looking at the cabin dimensions and available images of seating arrangement in il-76 and similar transport planes - the only way those figures are achievable is if people were literally sitting on the floor, shoulder to shoulder, crammed to the fullest.

This is how

Militarov wrote:

eridan wrote:How does one even cram 257 people inside an il-76? I remember the talk of an Iranian crash some years earlier, where their il-76 was carrying 275 people. Again - how are those numbers even possible? Looking at the cabin dimensions and available images of seating arrangement in il-76 and similar transport planes - the only way those figures are achievable is if people were literally sitting on the floor, shoulder to shoulder, crammed to the fullest.

This is how

The number of passenger in the il-76 could be up to somthing like 250 for some version if I'm not wrong. In terms of weight for a cargo plane it's nothing.
It is something like 25 tones if we count 100 kg for each passenger with bagages.
Max load is almost 50 tones.

Thanks, so the double deck thing that i've always read about but never saw image of until now is not some special modification but a simple detachable upper floor...

Anyway, the image suggests its not a full width floor? but a centerline seating area, with people facing each other in two rows? Would then the main floor be equipped with seats, 6 in a row? That gives some 150 passengers on the main floor and some 90 or so seating on the upper floor. Should be just enough for 247 passengers (and 10 crewmembers being seated in other places)

eridan wrote:Thanks, so the double deck thing that i've always read about but never saw image of until now is not some special modification but a simple detachable upper floor...

Anyway, the image suggests its not a full width floor? but a centerline seating area, with people facing each other in two rows? Would then the main floor be equipped with seats, 6 in a row?  That gives some 150 passengers on the main floor and some 90 or so seating on the upper floor. Should be just enough for 247 passengers (and 10 crewmembers being seated in other places)

Yeah, something like that. I once long ago saw one different double deck that was flat, for lighter cargo, believe or not it was stacked with chicken cages... to transport live chickens...

https://www.menadefense.net/algerie/le-missile-rbs-15-est-il-compromis/

It seems that the rbs-15 anti-ship missile was compromized and Algeria may not equip its new MEKO frigates with it. Someone in the military archives of Sweden had let a guy take hundreds of pictures of the caracteristics of the missile and he published it on a russian forum.

The display of modernized military equipment at the Beni Mered military base in Algiers





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3184107.html

TOS-1A in Algeria

Algerian network resources reported on the Russian military machine of the heavy flame-throwing system TOS-1A demonstrated on Algerian television, which is in service with the army of Algeria. Reports of the receipt of Algeria from Russia of the TOS-1A system were announced in early 2018.

Another transport plane crashes in algeria. This time it's a c-130.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-51929/

BTR-80 with launcher "Kornet-E" of the Algerian army



At the exercises of the 36th motorized infantry brigade of the 2nd military district in the province of Oran, the Chief of the General Staff of the Algerian Army, Army General Ahmadu Hyde Salah, was shown the modernized BTR-80 with the Cornet-E launcher. It is reported that the armored personnel carrier was upgraded to an armored repair plant in Dar El Beida, which is responsible for the repair and re-equipment of wheeled armored vehicles. Also, this company is upgrading the BTR-60 Algerian army. They are installing a combat module with 4 anti-tank guided missiles "Kornet-E".





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3252277.html

Anti-aircraft missile systems 9K317E "Buk-M2E" in Algeria



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3362337.html

Algeria received the third submarine of the project 06361





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3363378.html

Military exercises of the 5th Military District of the National People’s Army of Algeria



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3382239.html

Does anyone have a accurate list of equipment in service with Algerian forces the ones I've looked at are either old or equipment seems a bit inaccurate.

Like I can't imagine BM-14 still being in use when they have received TOS it very likely that TOS replaced these units. 

An order for 300 Bmpt is likely that they will replace some T-55 keeping the modernised T-55 and maybe removing AML-90 as well. 

Su-35 maybe replacing mig-25?????

Air defence was one area I found to be the worst.

With sa-9, large numbers of Sa-6, s-75, HQ-9, S-125 yet with introduction of S-300, S-400, and large number of Pantsir-S1. Yet zu-57-2, 61k 37 mm, S-60 still in service. I would have imagined that the Pantsir-S1 would have replaced the 61k 37 mm,  and S-75, & HQ-9 were replaced by s-300/400. 

And it's likely that more Pantsir-S1 will be bought to replace sa-9, S-60, zsu-57-2. It will be interesting if Algeria will purchase SONSA R to replace sa-13, and other systems. The large numbers of S-125 and sa-6 real only replacement would be buk-M3E and Pantsir.

d_taddei2 wrote:Does anyone have a accurate list of equipment in service with Algerian forces the ones I've looked at are either old or equipment seems a bit inaccurate.

Like I can't imagine BM-14 still being in use when they have received TOS it very likely that TOS replaced these units. 

An order for 300 Bmpt is likely that they will replace some T-55 keeping the modernised T-55 and maybe removing AML-90 as well. 

Su-35 maybe replacing mig-25?????

Air defence was one area I found to be the worst.

With sa-9, large numbers of Sa-6, s-75, HQ-9, S-125 yet with introduction of S-300, S-400, and large number of Pantsir-S1. Yet zu-57-2, 61k 37 mm, S-60 still in service. I would have imagined that the Pantsir-S1 would have replaced the 61k 37 mm,  and S-75, & HQ-9 were replaced by s-300/400. 

And it's likely that more Pantsir-S1 will be bought to replace sa-9, S-60, zsu-57-2. It will be interesting if Algeria will purchase SONSA R to replace sa-13, and other systems. The large numbers of S-125 and sa-6 real only replacement would be buk-M3E and Pantsir.

this is from an Israeli site (if you consider it reliable). And from Dec 2013

https://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiSqamJqZbeAhXP_KQKHW_LCDcQFjACegQIBhAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inss.org.il%2Fhe%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2%2Fsystemfiles%2F(FILE)1275907714.pdf&usg=AOvVaw38mBJRoHYPA2P8d_6Jj_mf

Algeria has acquired the Chinese unmanned aerial vehicles CH-4 and CH-3

CH-4


CH-3




https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3398191.html

Algeria has acquired Yabhon unmanned aerial vehicles in the UAE





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3465384.html

The structure of the Navy Algeria introduced two built in Russia, a new submarine project 06361

On January 9, 2019, at the Algerian Naval Base, the Navy of the Algeria, in the presence of the Chief of the General Staff of the National People’s Army of Algeria, Army General Ahmad Gayd Salah, was held the ceremony of introducing two submarines of Project 06361 into the Algerian naval forces.

The submarines, accompanied by the tugboats, left Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg on October 2, 2018 and November 27, 2018, respectively.

The submarines received the Algerian airborne numbers "031", "032" and the names "Ouarsenis", and "Hoggar" (Hoggar).

As previously reported by bmpd colleagues, two submarines of this project were ordered by Algeria in Russia under a contract signed in June 2014. The number of submarines of this type in the Algerian Navy has reached 4 units.

Technical characteristics of the project 636.1:

Surface displacement - 2350 tons, underwater - 3120 tons.
Dimensions: length - 73.8 m., Body width - 9.9 m., Width with stabilizers - 12.8 m, draft - 6.2 m.
Immersion depth: working - 240 m, maximum - 300 m.
Diesel-electric power plant with full electric propulsion consisting of:
- 2 diesel generator DG-1500 type 4DL-42M capacity of 1500 kW.
- 1 PG-141M electric motor with 5800 hp power. (4050 kW).
- 1 electric motor of economical stroke PG-142 with 150 hp power. (95 kW).
- 2 groups of batteries of 120 elements type 446-1.
The propellers are a 6-blade propeller, 2 water cannons with PG-140 electric motors with 102 hp each. Travel speed: surface - 11 knots., Underwater - 20 knots., Economic - 3 knots.
Cruising range: under the RDP - 7500 miles (at a speed of 7 knots.), Under water - 400 miles (at a speed of 3 knots).
Autonomy - 45 days.
Crew - 52 people.

Armament: 6,533-mm bow torpedo tubes with a quick-loading device, ammunition - 18 torpedoes or 24 mines. As an option of loading can be used PKR «Club-S» (PKR 9M54E and 9M54E1, KR 9M14E), launched from torpedo tubes. For self-defense on the surface in sealed fenders in the fencing of the felling, 6 missiles of the Igla MANPADS are located.















https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3490870.html

Any information on what Algeria is going to do with its aging Mig-25? which is roughly 12-14 aircraft. I suppose it all depends on what role they want. The Mig-25 was useful aircraft for Algeria due the land and sea mass it has to cover, but question is do they still need such type of aircraft? only options i can see is the following.


option 1:
buy Su-30, Su-35, Su-34 as a dedicated Recce/interceptor role, this would likely be the most costly option, but it would also streamline parts/maintenance, but would not fully cover mig-25 type aircraft.

option 2:
buy Mig-31BM/BSM & K, i am sure Russia with the amount it has in its inventory wouldnt object to selling them, it would also allow Algeria the chance to get the K model and hopefully get there hands on hypersonic Kinzhal (and russia make sales on such), the BM version would serve as interceptor but could also double up as a mini AWACS for Su-34/ Su-30. this would be cheaper than option 1.

option 3:
Keep Mig-25 in service, overhaul & possible upgrade (maybe could be upgraded to carry Kinzhal), keep then in service in til another suitable aircraft is available maybe Mig-41. This would be the cheapest option.


of course they could splash out and buy Su-57E this would still cover their needs but also have stealth, but question is would they really need such aircraft probably not. I think option 2 or 3 would be better.

This hasn't officially been confirmed AFAIK, but apparently Algeria has received the S-400


https://twitter.com/kad_ghani/status/1177899202325688320

Club-S launch from Algerian Kilo Sub (video in link)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1178738871829446670

Algerian BMPT-72 Terminator 2 has appeared today .

Interesting half-hour documentary about the 104th Rapid Response Regiment of the Army Special Forces of the National People's Army of Algeria - 104ème RMO (Régiment de Manœuvre Opérationnel) des Forces Spéciales. The servicemen of the regiment are equipped with combat equipment of the "soldier of the future" Gladius 2.0, which is produced for export by the German concern Rheinmetall.