The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

Kazzura English Subtitles wrote:[eng subs] "Donbass Under Fire: Unbowed" Documentary by Maxim Fadeyev

Dəηtön™ wrote:‏@pandenik 2:31 AM - 23 Jul 2015
Donetsk. In principle, you could even and p & zdyuley to write this obseshnikam

Khepesh wrote:The situation at the hotel used by OSCE heated up and the crowd very angry. OSCE vehicles have had slogans painted on them like "open your eyes", "tell the truth" and also obscenities http://riafan.ru/349667-zhiteli-donetska-edva-ne-ustroili-samosud-nad-missiey-obse/

On this car "peace" "truth", on others "dick"


Later edit: This video shows that hardly any OSCE vehicle was left untouched. Unfortunately I doubt this will have any effect on them as they all will have been selected for this mission for their cynicism and ability to lie and block out the truth, probably even to themselves. Scum should be chained to lamp posts in Kuibishevsky and Gorlovka for a day.

Dforce wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Ukraine's poverty rate to hit 33 percent this year.

Disgraceful, what is Porky doing?

In Russia they know how to keep such things in check:

"But one poverty expert, who requested anonymity out of a fear of being seen to paint too grim a picture, said it could go as high as 18 percent, meaning about 9.7 million people will cross into poverty by the end of the year."

Khepesh wrote:The situation at the hotel used by OSCE heated up and the crowd very angry. OSCE vehicles have had slogans painted on them like "open your eyes", "tell the truth" and also obscenities http://riafan.ru/349667-zhiteli-donetska-edva-ne-ustroili-samosud-nad-missiey-obse/

On this car "peace" "truth", on others "dick"i1
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Later edit: This video shows that hardly any OSCE vehicle was left untouched. Unfortunately I doubt this will have any effect on them as they all will have been selected for this mission for their cynicism and ability to lie and block out the truth, probably even to themselves. Scum should be chained to lamp posts in Kuibishevsky and Gorlovka for a day.
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Flagship Victory wrote:The US to send big counter battery radars to Maidan. Anyone know what Russia's equivalent is?

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/wall-street-journal-pentagon-prepares-to-send-better-radar-to-ukraine-394064.html

Patience people of Donetsk snapped: Zakharchenko an ultimatum
Donetsk, July 23.

Residents of the capital of the People's Republic of Donetsk told about the situation today in the city and its relation to the current government.

This morning, residents of Donetsk staged a protest at the building of the hotel Park inn. Location Donetsk residents have chosen not by chance, as it was in this hotel in the center of Donetsk, which does not get the shells Ukrainian security officials are representatives of the OSCE monitoring mission. Residents of the most shelled areas of Donetsk came to the requirements of the OSCE finally start telling the truth about Donbass, and offered them on their skin to feel what they are going through, having invited to move into a hotel "Flight", located near the Donetsk airport.

Configured donchane strongly, many of them are ready to go after the rally to the building of Donetsk city administration. People are so desperate that they are ready for any, even the tough measures, only the government would hear them and take action.

   "We want peace. But it is not a world which give us the Minsk agreement. Every day under fire, wake up and do not know you will live until the evening or not. This is the world? Let the OSCE will live where we live! Or Zakharchenko. We want a normal world, and how it can be, if the enemy on our land, five kilometers away. We need to order and go ahead. We need to push the Ukrainian security forces so that they could not produce the shelling. We will pursue this until the re-election of the head of the DNI. We love Zakharchenko, but how long can you go on about all putting our lives in danger, "- said a resident of the Kiev district Natalia.

Virtually all citizens of the republic set up the same way as the Donchanka. People just do not understand the Minsk agreement and believe that the militia has to go on the offensive. According to them, the Ukrainian law enforcers not stop at anything, so you need to push them not only on the borders of the republic, but also from all of the Donetsk region.

   "Patience has burst. Zakharchenko simply must do something about it. We chose it, he must hear and do as people say. So the more you can not live. We understand that to go on the offensive - is to break the Minsk-2. But why Ukrainian law enforcement officers can not be a militia? While the fennel kill us, and militia to protect. Let the whole world to hear! We killed the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian media write, the terrorists fired Donetsk! Can you imagine? People know where the flying projectiles. And they know who their shells, "- said a resident of the Petrovsky district of Donetsk Nikolay.

As they say donchane, the republic's government urgently needs to give the order to go on the offensive and to release from the Ukrainian security services the entire territory of Donbas. They note what they did with the region now, just a nightmare, so the demand from Ukrainian security forces of militias send home.

   "We are not asking for much, we are not asking to take revenge and to go to Kiev, we are asking one to Ukrainian army withdrew from our land and leave us alone. Let them go to his house and make it what they want, "- said Alexey from Donetsk.

"Hardly a day goes by without some British politician or journalist pointing at Italy as the weak link in the western front against the Kremlin," - the Corriere della Sera, with an op-ed signed by its diplomatic correspondent Paolo Valentino, complains.
Italy, the "weak link", has lost South Stream, courtesy of the EU confrontational policy with Russia. And Italy's farmers have been badly affected by the embargo Russia enacted in July 2014 and extended, early this month, in retaliation to EU sanctions.

And yet, "Britain feeds a narrative that sees Rome as anxious to safeguard its business interests with Moscow," Paolo Valentino — who recently interviewed President Putin in Moscow for the Corriere newspaper — explains, before taking a stab at British hypocrisy.

On the surface, "[the] British government is harsh in demanding sanctions against Russia," but this harshness gives way to a more pragmatic, business-is-business approach whenever British economic interests are involved. The BP-Rosfnet deal is a case in point.

Circumventing Sanctions: Cash and Joint-Venture

On June 19 BP had paid Rosfnet — Russia's largest oil company — $750 million cash for a 20% stake in Taas-Yuryakh, an East Siberian oil producer. The deal was signed during the Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF).

This was not only "the first contract of its size between western investors and a Russian group since the beginning of [the] sanctions," points out Valentino. By paying cash, BP allowed Rosfnet to circumvent sanctions denying Russian companies access to western capital.

What's more, "BP and Rosfnet will jointly explore two new areas in Western Siberia and Yenisey-Khatanga." This means that sanctions preventing Rosneft from acquiring western technology will be circumvented by BP.

And it is not just BP either. Another example, the Corriere point out "is the sale, again by Rosfnet, of a 29% share of the Taas-Yuryakh oilfield to Skyland Petroleum, a mysterious company registered only in January this year in the Cayman Islands by, surprise-surprise, another British company, Vazon Energy, owned by David Robson."

Paying the Sanctions Lip Service

According to Sergey Pikin, Director of the Energy Development Foundation:

"BP obtained the permit to sign the deal with Rosfnet from the British government."

The same government, which has often criticized Italy for being "soft" on Russia.

A government that "does not comment on private corporations," Valentino explains somewhat ironically, "limits itself to ensuring that the contracts are compliant with the sanctions regime."

David Campbell, CEO of BP Russia, recently announced:

"We will continue to search for attractive investment opportunities to develop Russian resources […] while respecting international sanctions."

Italy Feels cheated

The St Petersburg International Economic Forum had already seen "the signing of a memorandum for the realization of two additional lines for the North Stream between Gazprom, Germany's E.ON, Austria's OMV and Anglo-Dutch Shell," Valentino recalls.

This was "a real surprise after Gazprom CEO, Alexey Miller, announced in January that no new pipelines were planned because of political tensions in Europe."

So, it is not just BP that keeps business channels open with Russia? Other big companies do that too. However, "it is London," Valentino says, "that has been sternly warning against excessive dependency on Russian gas, repeatedly attacking the South Stream project which would have brought Russian gas to Europe via Greece and Italy."

Following repeated attacks by the EU, the US and the British government, Gazprom eventually replaced South Stream, in which Italy had a major stake, with Turk Stream. Thus Italy's Saipem, of the ENI's group, lost its contract to lay down the South Stream pipelines under the Black Sea bed.

Now, with North Stream about to double its carrying capacity, and BP to reap the fruits of its joint-venture with Rosfnet, Italy begins to feel cheated.

In the City It's Business as Usual

If we move from energy to other business sectors, British attitudes towards sanctions do not change. A measure of double standards is always detectable.

Last year, when pressure began to mount on France not to deliver the Mistral warships, and the UK was — together with Poland and the Baltic countries — pushing for an arms embargo on Russia, "Paris," wrote the Financial Times, "argued that an arms embargo would unfairly hit France while leaving other EU economies relatively unscathed."

FT quoted a French official who said that:

"UK sanctions on Russian business interests in London would be much more important financially and economically against Moscow."

A year later, the situation is the same: "The City […] actually protects dozens of Russian oligarchs who have invested their wealth in London," writes the Corriere.

Ian Lucas, UK shadow Labour minister is also quoted in the Corriere as saying:

"Cameron says one thing and does another one. If he were coherent, he would attack the Russian capital that thrives in London."

Good, Old Advice

"Don't approve the sanctions," Berlusconi urged Italy's new Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, as early as May 2014. "And if you have to approve them, then do not respect them." It was sound, if cunning advice amid the pointlessness of EU sanctions.

Apparently somebody was listening. Though not in Rome.

BBC wrote:Ukrainians struggling as their economy shrinks
By David Stern BBC News, Kiev 22 July 2015

Many Ukrainians are feeling the effects of their country's severe recession. Fuelled partly by the debilitating war in the east with Russian-supported militants, Ukraine's economy is shrinking.

The country may also be on the verge of defaulting on some of its international debts.

This week, Ukraine's Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, has been in the United States to reassure Washington that the government is making progress in tackling the troubled economy, cracking down on corruption and dealing with the shaky cease-fire with the insurgents.

But for many ordinary Ukrainians, life is hard. On the outskirts of Kiev husband and wife team Andrei and Yulia Burda run a speech therapy centre, a non-profit organization they founded for children with special needs.

It's a modest operation occupying just two small rooms in the corner of a school, and Andrei and Yulia make do with contributions from the 20 families whose children they help.

With this they pay the rent and buy some basic, inexpensive items to assist them in their work - as well as a Bassett Hound puppy named Bobby.

At home they are equally frugal. With their two daughters and Andrei's mother, they rent a small one-bedroom flat near Kiev's centre. Together they make plaster of Paris figures and cloth dolls that they sell at a local art fair. Andrei also provides a dog grooming service for Yorkshire terriers.

But for all this penny-pinching, Yulia says they're just getting by.
"We can't afford to go to places with our children - to the shopping mall, the zoo or the circus - because it's so expensive," she says. Continue reading & Video.

BBC Newsnight wrote:The far-right group threatening to overthrow Ukraine's government - Newsnight

opasnie wrote:Gorlovka under fire

Волинське Агентство Розслідувань wrote:Shooting. Shatsky area
This video shooting at the enterprise "Flora". The police did not react to the actions of those who shoots in the direction of unarmed people

Татьяна Гонченко wrote:Video 061.ua. Right-sector rally dispersed forces of the nation under the Prosecutor's Office of Zaporozhye

Dforce wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Ukraine's poverty rate to hit 33 percent this year.

Disgraceful, what is Porky doing?

In Russia they know how to keep such things in check:

"But one poverty expert, who requested anonymity out of a fear of being seen to paint too grim a picture, said it could go as high as 18 percent, meaning about 9.7 million people will cross into poverty by the end of the year."

PapaDragon wrote:Russian border guards detain Ukrainian tanker off Crimean coast — Federal Security Service

The ship has been arrested and delivered to the Crimean port of Kerch

http://tass.ru/en/russia/810332

Reuters wrote:Ukraine separatists protest against OSCE mission in east
World | Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:41am EDT (Reporting by Maria Tsvetkova and Serhiy Karazy; Writing by Alessandra Prentice; Editing by Dominic Evans)

DONETSK, UKRAINE

Around 300 people held a protest against the OSCE in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, picketing a hotel in rebel-held Donetsk in what the security watchdog said was an orchestrated move to restrict its work.

The protesters, mainly women, arrived at the hotel in two buses accompanied by the city's separatist mayor Igor Martynov. A Reuters witness said they spray-painted peace slogans on the cars belonging to the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe) a Reuters witness said.

The OSCE said the crowd was protesting the deaths of civilians in shelling despite a ceasefire deal and also against the work of the OSCE, which is monitoring the implementation of a peace agreement between Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels.

"We have to limit our movements in the aftermath," Alexander Hug, the deputy head of the OSCE's monitoring mission said in Kiev, condemning the "orchestrated" protest as a "type of censorship of our activity that is not acceptable."

He accused both sides of failing to respect the ceasefire by not fully withdrawing their heavy artillery as required by the peace agreement, which was brokered in February to end a conflict in which over 6,500 have been killed.

Three Ukrainian servicemen have been killed and over 40 wounded as a result of rebel attacks in the past week, according to Ukraine's military.

On Thursday separatist officials accused Ukrainian troops of intensifying attacks from heavy artillery on rebel positions, but reported no casualties. Continue reading.

wilhelm wrote:

Dforce wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Ukraine's poverty rate to hit 33 percent this year.

Disgraceful, what is Porky doing?

In Russia they know how to keep such things in check:

"But one poverty expert, who requested anonymity out of a fear of being seen to paint too grim a picture, said it could go as high as 18 percent, meaning about 9.7 million people will cross into poverty by the end of the year."

Right.

GarryB, just a heads up.

DForce is from MP.net, and had a long history of being completely anti-Russian in every single way.
He also gloated quite a few times when death came visiting ethnically Russian civilians by shelling, let alone seperatist fighting men, over on that forum.
He is carrying on at themess forum in exactly the same vein, in the brief occasion I visited before realising its a cesspit of racist hatred where the only people who get banned are those who dare look at things without an anti-Russian bias.

I would ask what the hell he is doing here at this forum.
Dissenting voices and opinions are one thing, and are to be welcomed in my opinion.
But he's not a dissenting opinion. He's completely and rabidly anti-Russian, so why is he here on a Russian forum, if not to troll, now or eventually?

Any of the other members from MP.net will know precisely what I'm talking about.

EDIT: I see in the few posts he's made, he claims he won't troll. Fair enough.
I simply don't believe him, knowing his posting history over on the ethno-hatred forums. It's pretty obvious what he thinks, and it's pretty distasteful.

PapaDragon wrote:
Maybe they could just hire Jurassic World to clone them some Raptors?    

Ukrainian analyst says underage conscripts can join Ukraine’s voluntary battalions

http://tass.ru/en/world/810338

auslander wrote:Gentlemen, let's try to keep the discourse civil.

We in the south are now in day four of a DoS attack. Net service is slowly getting back to normal but the attack continues. I have no info as to who or where the attack is coming from. Today, after being down since just after 20:00 yesterday, service came up at 06:50 and went down at 07:40 for an hour. Makes writing or posting a bit more involved in that one writes email replies and posts off line and then it's copy and paste.

Read the OSCE report. No surprises there.