The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

sepheronx wrote:Ukrainian military to open retaliatory artillery fire if their positions attacked

Oh of course.  Then DNR/LNR must state that they will launch retaliatory strikes if shelled by PUkes.

Erk wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Ukrainian military to open retaliatory artillery fire if their positions attacked

Oh of course.  Then DNR/LNR must state that they will launch retaliatory strikes if shelled by PUkes.

Rest assured that Kiev/US are looking for reasons to escalate the conflict, they do this by a media build up of propaganda before the push.

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Captured T-64BV APU heater near the village of White, as well as suhpayki and ammunition:

Ruthenius wrote:I have finaly made it. The compehensive review of fighting btw VSU and NAF in LPR June-September 2014, 3900 words.

The same stuff related to DPR and Illovaisk Kettle is 11 000 words, so....... where is my putin-bot-ish 13,6 roubles per post?


Lugansk inferno. Trapped

The goal  of this article is to give the depiction of the events of July-August 2014, the most enduring and devastating days of the defense of Lugansk when the soil was burning under our feet, when the smell of gunpowder and smoke was omnipresent, the days when hundreds of people were killed and when we made the last stand. The defense of Lugansk will be written in history of this war, as one of the most terrible and violent episodes.

Frankly, republics' territories of that period were the places of horror.

After the fall of Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration in early July, VSU (UaAF) launched the offence on all fronts. Their superiority in numbers and firepower seemed unmatched and the scale of lost territories was crushing. I would not like to talk about everything that happened in those days throughout, this story tells only a few episodes of the conflict.

That summer Lugansk along with his older brother Donetsk experienced the most enduring days in their history. By mid-July 30-40% of the population had already left their homes, and that was just the beginning because in August cities lost up to 70% of their inhabitants. The first shellings of Donetsk had occurred before Strelkov returned from Slavyansk, but reached their climax just with the fall of the front in the suburbs of Donetsk. Lugansk was the second to suffer from arty attacks, since the second decade of July.

Ukrainian army  had failed to take the border and after two weeks southern borderlands became a cauldron for Ukrainian troops positioned south of LPR and southeast of DPR. By July 22-25 Ukrainian General HQ realized that as well though the cauldron was formed some time later. Militia's stubborn resistance, serious artillery fire (the great share of limited artillery units possessed by militia was transferred to the sector Izvarino-Krasnodon-Rovenki), the fail to enter the southern agglomeration of Donbas cities along the route Rostov-Kharkov, remoteness from the main supply routes and the heavy losses made it extremely complicated for Ukrainians to hold border block posts and secured their defeat in the cauldron. Nevertheless the opponent managed to divert the big bulk of militia forces and for some time was greatly hindering connection with Russia.
During the battle for Izvarino it was almost impossible to cross the. Sometimes shells fell even on the Russian soil and one citizen was killed in Kuybyshevo. By the end of July the defection of Ukrainian soldiers from cauldron became so massive that according to some sources a thousand of servicemen managed to escape death in the cauldron by retreating to Russia. Despite the heavy resistance organized in the bottleneck of the cauldron, the trap was closed by the beggining of August and 5 thousand of enemy soldiers were doomed.
Trapped in the steppes of Lugansk and left without appropriate supply of food Ukrainian forces were destroyed by decisive actions of the militia.  Therefore that sector became a place of defeat for 79th, 72nd, 24th brigade and other units. A along with simultaneous disaster in Shakhtarsk, the first days of August were marked by the first serious defeat of Ukrainian forces and  their so-called "offence" on Lugansk and Donetsk.

The situation on the Northern Front was not so pleasant for us. After militia left Rubezhnoe, Severodonetsk and Lisichansk, the small town Pervomaisk and its vicinities took the full blow from Ukrainian Starobelsk-Kremink battlegroup and we are still holding it. Pervomaisk endured several frontal assaults and one of its part was captured and re-captured several times. Today it is held by the militia. Unfortunately enemy's reinforcement arrived just in time from Artyomovsk and  pushed us out from Popasnaya and after the fall of Debaltsevo the future of Stakhanov-Alchevsk agglomeration seemed grim.

By the second decade of August the enemy realized that it will be too difficult to take Pervomaysk and assault Stakhanov and Alchevsk from the front, because the majority of Ukrainian assaults were successfully repelled by the militia thanks to the specific terrain of that sector and the most courageous actions of "Prizrak" batallion under the command of A. Mozgovoy plus other units though that cannot be said about some cowardly Cossack units .

Despite our heavy resistance and attempts to counter-attack after the fall of Schastye and Stukalova balka the front line came 4-5km close to Lugansk. Artillery shellings rose to an unprecedented scale, conducted mostly by mortars rather than artillery. Since the early August Lugansk was infiltrated by a dozen of subversive-reconnaissance groups (DRG) who mercilessly shelled the city from inside taking advantage of the absence of civilians, power shortages and to say the truth - of confusion as well.

Specific features of the terrain of Zymogorye-Metalist sector gave Ukrainians the opportunity to observe Lugansk in plain sight from the previously captured territories north of the town. By early August Ukrainians captured Sabovka, Zymogorye, Beloye, Vesyolaya, Tarasovka and tried to implement an ambitious plan to build a corridor Lugansk airport and encircle Lugansk. Metalist changed its owners several times, Ukrainian artillery  stationed there was utterly shelling militia positions in Bolshaya Vergunka and Malaya Vergunka. Vicinities of Georgievka were captured July 28-29 and the forces of so-called "Counter-Terrorist Operation" approached Lugansk from the north and the west.

By the 10th of August the daily casualty rate of Ukrainian forces rose to 30-50 of wounded and killed servicemen, 30th brigade was the most determined to enter Lugansk via frontal assault. 11th of August was marked by literally endless attacks on Lugansk suburb - Alexandrovsk. That little town was captured and re-captured several times in the row but ultimately militia managed to repel Ukrainian attempts to enter Kamenobrodsky district of Lugansk, on August 13 and 14 a dozen of Ukrainian tanks and mortar batteries were destroyed there.

Fighting for Vergunskii crossroad continued and despite victories claims from Ukrainian National Security Council, so-called "CTO" forces did not take control over Bolshaya Vergunka. They only controlled the forest in Vergunka only on August 14  but retreated later after mortar shelling conducted by LPR soldiers. By the 12 of August Vergunskii crossroad was completely controlled by the junta and that gave them pleasure to announce that VSU managed to break in Lugansk.

August 16 was marked by notable artillery duels in  Sabovka-Metallist sector. During the fighting enemy lost up to three 2S9, 2S3 and two 2S1 arty pieces.

Absolutely incompetent junta forces deliberately targeted the residential areas and the places where food supplies were supposed to be stored, e.g. central market was shelled 7 times. Shelling continued on August 15 and 16 as well, supermarket "Epicenter" caught fire, it was impossible to find not only an open shop but even a moving car. The situation with bread supply was catastrophic, 80% of the city was left without water, hospitals had almost not generators and humanitarian aid from Russia simply could not be safely delivered. We were waiting for the relief for 6 long, very long days...

Lugansk lost electricity supply on August 2 and few days later lost water supply as well for a very long period. Similar problems were experienced in Donetsk and other cities Novorossiya. August 14 Ukies launched an another assault from two directions - Lutugino-Alexandrovsk-Yubileynoe and Georgievka-Novosvetlovka-Khrashevatoye

A simple splinter of a glass was seen as a bad omen those days. Soon Bolotov was removed and Ukies threw dozens of tanks into the breach ... terrible battles were fought in Vergunka ... a column of tanks broke through Aleksandrovka and was destroyed by militia on the road between Aleksandrovka and Yubileynoy, another column headed to Beloye then entered the airport through Georgievka. These critters rushed to Khrashevatoye and Novosvetlovka later in order to stop the very first humanitarian convoy.

Barely 80-100 thousand people remained in Lugansk those days. That was a terrifying number considering pre-war population of 500k. Donetsk had a little less than 400k at that time, although those figures are uncertain. It was possible to do the headcount basing only on the number of distributed h-aid packages. The first h-aid convoy was an exceptional measure for the beleaguered Lugansk.

On the same day VSu launched an assault aimed to split Stakhanovo-Alchevsk agglomeration, they came close to village Utkino and captured  Malonikolaevka and Shterovka therefore every militia unit in Alchevsk that was able to help Lugansk now was now forced to break through the semi-kettle on their own. Just a few days and VSU units would've managed to repeat  "Encounter at the Elbe" thus breaking the resistance into small pockets with militia soldiers entrenched in big cities Stakhanov, Alchevsk, Lugansk and open for the siege  and shelling (VSU wasn't able to conduct proper city assaults), just like inSlavyansk. Luckily this never happened, but the enemy still managed to cut the last road on the route from Krasnodon to Lugansk, which was supposed to be used to deliver humanitarian aid from our brothers from Russia. Ukrainian tank companies rushed 15 km forward and managed to reach outskirts of these crucially important for the defense cities despite being targeted by our artillery.  For the time being Komissarovka and Novoannovka were left under their control.

After the breakthrough succeeded the enemy reached Novosvetlovka and Khryashevatoe. The major role in that operation was played by 1st Independent Tank Brigade with up to 40 tanks and 70 IFVs\APCs - force of an abundant size for a such small area. VSU established a decent armored reserve in the vicinities of Lutugino and its coordinated raid catch LPR's command off guard. But it seemed that VSU's commanders didn't understand that such huge armored group is not supposed to move by the roads and field and as the result they suffered first losses near Georgievka and Roskoshnoye, 4-5 km from Lugansk. The fighting for Roskoshnoye was severe and bloody so after VSU failed to achieve established goals they made a tactical retreat and then suddenly rushed to capture Novosvetlovka and Khryashevatoe.
Just as they failed to capture Roskoshnoye on the move, they struggled to enter these villages similarly. Novosvetlovka fell the first, Khryashevatoe showed the greater resistance. August 15-17 weakened VSU reinforcement (they lost up to 7 tanks before arrival) tried change the balance but ultimately stuck in the close quarter fighting in Khryashevatoe. Pressured with VSU superiority in firepower and numbers militia began to retreat to the center of the village closing to Lugansk's residential area. Casualties spiked to dozens of killed and wounded for both sides per day, militia lost up to 20 soldiers killed during the fighting for nearby high point.
Failed to capture Khryashevatoe in the quick street engagement some VSU units chose to bypass the village and entered Lugansk vicinities from the south. There they met militia and entered in medium scale fighting because neither them nor militia had enough reserves to fully control this area. Ultimately VSU has established positions in aforementioned villages, photos of their burnt tanks taken in the village center leave little doubt of that fact.
Rejoiced with  the "victory" or due to confusion VSU launched an artillery strike on Lugansk vicinities where militiamen were supposed to hold at the evening of August 18 using all available equipment including MLRS Grad, Smerch and incendiary shells. This is the testament of Lugansk dweller who witnessed the shelling from Artyomovsk district while being shelled from VSU positions in Lugansk airport and Novosvetlovka.
"Ukies were shelling Khryashevatoe with white phosphorus incendiaries. The rain of fire pouring from the sky at the evening seemed like an infernal salute. Naturally I wasn't in the village at that time but it was clear for me that I'd not see anything good in there".

At the same time VSU tried to completely surround Lugansk by taking village Nikolaevka west of Lugansk. Fortunately they did not succeed and were driven back quickly, though in principle the value of that village was negligible, the city had been already besieged. The situation in Yubileynoye and Alexandrovsk remained a stalemate, and none of the peers to move forward, though considering the exhaustion and depletion of munitions it was difficult for the militia to repel enemy. The front line was extremely unstable, clashes were occurring even in the vicinities of Stanitsa Luganskaya that was actually behind VSU positions near Metalist. Yubileynoye was being shelled just as any other city near Lugansk. Despite breath-taking reports from Ukrainian MSM, VSU managed to establish the real control over Novosvetlovka and Khryashevatoe much later than it was reported by journalists.

Shelling continued. One day more than 150 mortar hits were registered  in Kambrod district . City center was shelled mostly with artillery. After August 4 city spent all its gasoline and the remaining scare fuel resources were used only by emergency services though firemen often did not arrive to fight the fire because some blocks were being shelled for hours. In these two days Lugansk lost a dozen of civilias killed and several dozens wounded. Fear held Lugansk in the tight grip, water supply was available only at the early morning and only on the lower floors of the buildings. Militia continued to defend "the road of life" for h-aid convoy in the fierce clashes with VSU and despite the arrival of all available reserves VSU failed to reach the full control by August 19.

At August 19 Novosvetlovka was shelled with Smerch MRLS by the third time. These days the true data was scare and partial, it wasn't possible to find out which particular village was captured by VSU and which was not.
Lugansk was deserted just as Donetsk those days. It was possible to leave the city by the route Krasnodon-Lugansk but only under the huge threat and one refugee column was shelled by Ukrainian tanks. Luckily the majority of the population abandoned Lugansk before the blockade.
It should be mentioned that the majority of VSU collaborators who served as spotters, observers and saboteurs were the local dwellers. During the second decade of August militia destroyed up to dozen of  sabotage-reconnaissance groups (DRG), 60 men in total. Many guiding beacons were spotted on theaters, museums and residential apartments. At August 19 militia resumed the fighting in Stanitsa Luganskaya after VSU retreated from Versgunskii crossroad and managed to reclaim some territories and take trophies. In general the trend was positive for LPR.
During August 20 VSU was shelling Lugansk outskirts. Enemy put the big effort on holding villages Chelyuskinets, Khryashevatoe and Novosvetlovka. The most fierce clashes were waged near Georgievka.  LPR anti-air teams managed to bring down Su-24 and Mi-24 and damaged another helicopter. It seemed that there was a hope to break the blockade - militia managed to partially recapture Novoannovka and part of Lugansk-Krasnodon route near Lysoye, Lobachevo, Ilevka. Lugansk and militia positions were shelled with 2S5 Giacint from Lutugino, later 6 of these SPGs were captured by militia.

By August 21 militia established a positive trend and partially unlocked the relief route. The villages were still controlled by Ukies but reinforcements managed to enter Lugansk using roundabout country roads and maskirovka techniques. Up to 70 heavy armored vehicles broke in Lugansk inspiring fear in the enemy heart. The corridor was build and several hours later another group joined militia. These additional troops gave enough strength to turn the tide in Khryashevatoe and Novosvetlovka and north of Lugansk. It's not certain how they managed to reach the city, probably they detoured the main road following the stream of Seversky Donets river and then turned to Lugansk. Ukrainian assault from the south was repelled in Kruglik district and assault from Novosvetlovka was repelled in Novoivanvoka.
According to militia at least 6 tanks and one BMP were destroyed at August 21 near Khryashevatoe, 400 of NatiGuard filth tried to assist punishers from Dnepr battalion and failed miserably.
We started to understand the scale of the success of Ukrainian Alchevsk army group by the end of August 21 after militia launched an assault and took some small settlements near Lutugino which was fortified by VSU. By August 22 Khryashevatoe was totally ravaged and after long and stubborn fighting VSU retreated 500 meter back from the village however some of them returned in order to provoke militia to shell residential areas. Fightig in Novosvetlovka brought no results and by the next morning enemy lost up to 20 soldiers killed. The whole airport was covered in smoke as NAF began to encircle it along with Lutugino.

At 17:00 August 22 long hoped-for h-aid column from Russian Federation arrived in Lugansk, I (the author) still don't know how they made it. Probably that was the reason why NAF spent all previous night suppressing Ukrainian artillery leaving the enemy shocked and afraid of Russian wrath or due to specific agreements made in the highest echelon of power. Those days Lugansk was connected with the rest of the world with a tread ten meters wide used by ha-aid convoy. Presence of Russia's armed force 7-8 km from Lugansk assured the safe arrival. Nevertheless fighting for Khryashevatoe, Novosvetlovka, Metalist and Vergunski crossroad continue even at August 22.

After August 23 and 24 general attention was diverted to DPR's counter attack in Illovaisk in the south but there was no possibility to launch the same operation in LPR. Militia managed to take just a small part of Novosvetlovka only by the end of August 24. Fighting bogged down with only Ukrainian tanks burning on the roads to Lugansk. Finally VSU realized the scale and the burden of tank and artillery losses that it suffered during previous 10 days. August 24 militia launch a sudden assault on Stukanova Balka behind the enemy lines. After the sudden strike the city was all covered in smoke and confusion. Prizrak brigade launched an artillery strike and managed to destroy 1 T-64, 2 BMP-2,  BRDM, two gaz tucks and 60 enemy soldiers. NAF artillery continued to increase its power.

By August 25 Vergunski crossroad practically fell under militia control. Metalist was liberated August 26 but the last critters of Aidar NatiGuard battalion and the VSU remnants were hunted down only in September.
There was still a long road till victory but the turning point had been already reached, Lugansk realized that it was left to die. It was a 24th day spent without electricity, h-aid power generators brought with were supplying only hospitals and emergency services. Fighting reduced to sluggish arty-duels and local clashes near Stanitsa Luganskaya.

Afraid of infiltrators (DRG) LPR officials banned the traffic of civil transport but DRG still continued their operations. Junta's artillery positions in Metalist started to experience shortages of ammunition but it didn't stop them from firing remaining shells at Lugansk. Militia started counter offensive August 25-26 and consequently managed to reclaim Malonikolaevka, Shterovka and some other villages of Alchevsk agglomeration.
During the night btw August 26 and August 27 VSU lost 5 tanks, 7 ACVs, 5 MRLS Grad, two ammunition stocks and 5 cars. Fighting shifted to Rodakovo and the main center of Junta resistance - Lutugino. Besides Ukies continued to fight in Novosvetlovka, Slavyanoserbsk and Lugansk airport. Alexandrovsk and Yubileynoe remained under their partial control.
In Rodakovo militia destroyed 1 T-72B, 2 T-64 and 60 enemy soldiers with rocket and artillery fire + 2 BMP-2 and 1 ZIL-131 in Vergulyovka + 2 BMP-2 and 54 enemy soldiers in Petrovskoe + 10 enemy soldiers in Utkino + pushed VSU from Roskoshnoe after a stubborn battle.
Ultimately VSU ceased offensive operations in LPR and focused on the defense of recently captured settlements and tried to hinder militia's onslaught by constant attacks from Georgievka and Lugansk airport. Novosvetlovka and Khryashevatoe were liberated only August 29. Lugansk was shelled by MRLS Uragan and SPG Giacint August 28, dozens of houses and a school were damaged. Thanks to militia the intensity of mortar strikes was decreased and with VSU being pushed away by 600 meters per day Lugansk was returning to normal life. Water and electricity supply was almost restored, community services resumed their work, 80 000 of food packages were distributed among civilians, a public kitchen was opened.
August 30 milita launched a serious assault at VSU positions though their advancement met heavy resistance, e.g. they took Rodakovo August 26 but were pushed out the following day. It was captured only in September. Later militiamen found out that Ukies put dozens of mines in Novosvetlovka, lost up two three companies of soldiers and conducted horrific amount of atrocities, Aidar battalion proved to be the most notorious. Casualties suffered by militia were heavy as well but Zarya battalion (Dawn) was distinguished in that operation.

During the battle itself the enemy lost up to 30 armored vehicles, mostly tanks. Combing with the losses in Georgievka and Khryashevatoe VSU lost up to 30 tanks, 40 ACVs, a doze of SPGs. After that militia has conducted the sweeping recapture of settlement in Lugansk vicinities taking Georgievka, Metalist ending up encircling VSU in Lutugino kettle after the swift cut of supply lines at August 28-31. Enemy lost a record quantity of artillery pieces in that kettle - up to three 2S5 batteries, one 2C19, more than a dozen of 2S1 and 2S3 with 40% of them captured as trophies.

It's hard to calculate the loss of their manpower, most estimation call 2000 of killed and the same quantity of wounded, 80th and 30th brigades suffered the most casualties and 1st Independent tank brigade lost almost all of its tanks. Only three months later they became a battle ready unit again, but before that they were considered wiped out. Blockade of Lugansk was breached but LPR continued to experience severe connection problems three following weeks.
Ukies continued to shell Lugansk for a long time, Vergunka is still being targeted. Front line went by the flow of Severskii Donets river, Stanitsa Luganskaya was abandoned but every village 15 km from Lugansk was captured assuring safety of Lugansk dwellers, safety that was denied to the dwellers of Donetsk, Gorlovka, Pervomaisk and other cities where clashes happen 1 km from them. Lugansk airport was abandoned by VSU September 1, remaining units were hunted down September 2 in terminal basement which is beyond repair.

On October 16, Lugansk had a rally-requiem at which the city commemorated its dead citizens and the defenders of the Lugansk People's Republic and all civilians who fell victims of the junta regime that occupied Ukraine.
According to the official but very incomplete data, from June to September 465 people were killed in bombings and fighting in the Lugansk. If we take into account civilian casualties in Pervomaisk, Popasnaya, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, Schastye, Stanitsa, Kondrashovka, Novosvetlovka, Khryashevatoe, Lutugino and other towns and villages, the total number of civilians killed by the junta invaders may reach several thousand. Women, men, elderly, children ... the bitter price paid for the independence of Lugansk. Over time it is planned to build a monument in honor of the dead.

auslander wrote:The Poles have been supplying the orcs since last September if not earlier. Some of the 'Polish' items seem to have originated in the former DDR.

auslander wrote:The Poles have been supplying the orcs since last September if not earlier. Some of the 'Polish' items seem to have originated in the former DDR.

Chersonesus wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Something must be up, Poro going for political cover.

Several thermal power stations have run out of coal (Zmiivska plus another whose name I have forgotten) in mid summer. Yatsenyuk says the situation is catastrophic regarding winter. Ukraine needs to import 800,000 tons of anthracite per month from Donbass.

The UAF have lost 16 wounded on 9 August, 8 on 8 August, 40 on 7 August, 6 on 6 August, another 7 on 4 August, 45 on 3 August and 8 on 2 August. They are usually  treated at Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkiv. These two usually treat 2/3 of casualties between them. At this rate the Ukrops could be looking at ~350 wounded this month. Several tanks and APCs have been captured or destroyed. This after all NAF weaponry > 100 mm has been pulled back as per Minsk.

Info from various links at

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higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

KoTeMoRe wrote:
CBD please man don't you have a greater resolution picture of that T64BV? Because from where I stand it looks like the 64 is sporting Polish ERA from Bumar Labedi.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Didn't Donbass give Ukraine free coal last year? How likely is it that Donbass will help Ukraine again to survive through the winter?

Khepesh wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
CBD please man don't you have a greater resolution picture of that T64BV? Because from where I stand it looks like the 64 is sporting Polish ERA from Bumar Labedi.

This is what the originating source posted. Certainly not normal bricks, too square and wrongly mounted for normal.

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

KoTeMoRe wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

They're all lizards, and this is proof of that.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

They're all lizards, and this is proof of that.

Did you even take basic biology? Reptiles don't fair well in cold climates. Haha

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

They're all lizards, and this is proof of that.

Did you even take basic biology? Reptiles don't fair well in cold climates. Haha

... Jesus we can't even joke here anymore. They didn't seem to fare than well when it got hotter earlier this year...

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Kyiv hope that in the winter they can buy Russian gas for the price no higher than 250 USD.

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/10/kiev-rasschityvaet-pokupat-rossiyskiy-gaz-na-zimu-po-cene-ne-vyshe-250

Wait, wait, what, I though Kyiv once claimed that they don't need Russian gas

They're all lizards, and this is proof of that.

Did you even take basic biology? Reptiles don't fair well in cold climates. Haha

... Jesus we can't even joke here anymore. They didn't seem to fare than well when it got hotter earlier this year...

It was an attempt at a joke.... Anywho I guess we can file the ones in charge at Kiev as an "endangered species." God bless the West for trying to preserve this rare breed.