The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

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I truly hope you are right, but I just dont see it. But if it happens i will be delighted to eat my hat on here and I hope all the other doubters who are much more extreme than me will hold their hands up when wrong.



Here is another vid of the shelling of donetsk last night, thumbnail is incorrect though.

Rodinazombie wrote:^^^

I truly hope you are right, but I just dont see it. But if it happens i will be delighted to eat my hat on here and I hope all the other doubters who are much more extreme than me will hold their hands up when wrong.

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Give it time. These things don't happen overnight. We are one winter down, several more to go.

PapaDragon wrote:

Dforce wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

Of course Russia wants to keep Donbas n Ukraine.

Why? Because doing so will give them control of the whole of Ukraine and even better, it will give it to them not as one bloated unmanageable septic tank, but in the form of many, many very small, loosely connected and very manageable tiny pieces.

And in this New ''Ukraine'' Donbass will not be some two-bit province left for every Kiev parasite to exploit. Instead it will become the most powerful political, industrial and financial center, a capitol in all but name.

As for Ukrainians, they will not only have to smile, take of their knickers, bend over and take it like a good little prison wife, they will also have to work their hips and moan gleefully and passionately while they are being intensely sodomised with reckless abadon.

You see Big D, life is actually very fair.

Mess with the bear, you get the claws...and fangs.

Yay and so lived Russia happy ever after!

Except... Ukraine will never accept the "liberated" areas back under the terms that Moscow wants, and that is the issue here. Russia have to force it upon Ukraine, accept the areas as Russian-payed protectorates, or leave the area. Each alternative comes with its own problems!

Rodinazombie wrote:^^^

I truly hope you are right, but I just dont see it. But if it happens i will be delighted to eat my hat on here and I hope all the other doubters who are much more extreme than me will hold their hands up when wrong.

Well, I would not be delighted, but I will dine with you if that happens. A fur hat I bought in Murmansk!

Dforce wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Dforce wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

Of course Russia wants to keep Donbas n Ukraine.

Why? Because doing so will give them control of the whole of Ukraine and even better, it will give it to them not as one bloated unmanageable septic tank, but in the form of many, many very small, loosely connected and very manageable tiny pieces.

And in this New ''Ukraine'' Donbass will not be some two-bit province left for every Kiev parasite to exploit. Instead it will become the most powerful political, industrial and financial center, a capitol in all but name.

As for Ukrainians, they will not only have to smile, take of their knickers, bend over and take it like a good little prison wife, they will also have to work their hips and moan gleefully and passionately while they are being intensely sodomised with reckless abadon.

You see Big D, life is actually very fair.

Mess with the bear, you get the claws...and fangs.

Yay and so lived Russia happy ever after!

Except... Ukraine will never accept the "liberated" areas back under the terms that Moscow wants, and that is the issue here. Russia have to force it upon Ukraine, accept the areas as Russian-payed protectorates, or leave the are. Each alternative comes with its own problems!

Trust me Big D, we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what Country 404 (Ukraine ) is willing to accept.

Like I said just now, we are only one winter down, several more to go.

Google list of stuff that ukraine would have never accepted from a year ago and also list of stuff they hope will happen in the future and compare it with today.

You will notice some majestic changes.

higurashihougi wrote:SBU claimed that billionaire Rinat Ahkmetov is the sponsor of Novo "terrorists"

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/14/sbu-struktura-rinata-ahmetova-finansirovala-terroristov

Network of filling stations "Parallel", which is owned by Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, was engaged in "terrorist financing". On this day, August 14, said adviser to the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Yuriy Tandem. "On 11 August, during searches at the company" Parallel "consequently withdrew coupons for different fuels, which are the so-called seal of the Ministry of republics", - said Tandem. According to him, the SBU has appealed to the Treasury of Ukraine with a request to stop funding the network. The authorized capital of "Parallel-M Ltd" company controls Parallel Nafta LTD - a wholly owned subsidiary of SCM Group, led by Ukrainian businessman Rinat Akhmetov. The company is present on the Ukrainian market since 1995, is presented in the Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Lugansk regions. wrote:

I wondered if/when they would go after him...

Cowboy's daughter wrote:I wondered if/when they would go after him...

As long as he continues to cooperate, they might leave him alone.

NAF challenges Maidan to tank biathlon

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/daily-mail-lets-settle-this-with-tank-jousting-pro-russia-rebels-challenge-ukraine-government-to-ultimate-showdown-to-end-two-year-conflict-that-has-killed-7000-395824.html

Maidan reported 175 attacks by NAF yesterday and despite that suffered only 2 WIA no KIA

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/no_servicemen_killed_in_ato_area_in_past_24_hours_333631

Do we have any footage of NAF artillery being used recently?

Is it me, or have the ukies tightened up their security massively? Havent seen many videos released by ukie soldiers or ukies ringing up tv stations to complain about their leaders for a long while.

Rodinazombie wrote:Do we have any footage of NAF artillery being used recently?

Is it me, or have the ukies tightened up their security massively? Havent seen many videos released by ukie soldiers or ukies ringing up tv stations to complain about their leaders for a long while.

No footage whatesover like last year and earlier this year. Either NAF does not fire artillery because of Minsk or they keep it so secret there is 0 video.

On South Front updates there are footages of Maidan firing artillery but you cannot find any footage of NAF firing artillery on the internet.

What we do now is wait till January 2017 when the next US president Republican starts supplying heavy artillery to Maidan. Then it's going to get interesting.

Im assuming that videos of VSN firing arent being shown as we are supposed to be the 'good guy' and conforming to minsk, they clearly a retaliating though in what number we dont know. What surpsises me is that we dont see videos from the ukies themselves reporting on the damage done by VSN.

Rodinazombie wrote:Im assuming that videos of VSN firing arent being shown as we are supposed to be the 'good guy' and conforming to minsk, they clearly a retaliating though in what number we dont know. What surpsises me is that we dont see videos from the ukies themselves reporting on the damage done by VSN.

Minsk? What Minsk? There hasn't been a single day of ceasefire since Minsk 2 was signed 6 months ago. There is no ceasefire. This is an all out war. Donetsk is shelled every day with heavy artillery. No one would bat an eyelid if either side uploads videos of firing artillery onto youtube.

This is the most ridiculous ceasefire in the history of humankind. Even in Zabadani when they do ceasefire the fighting stops completely. In Donbas when they do ceasefire everyday there is heavy fighting This is surely a world record for a ceasefire.

Rodinazombie wrote:Im assuming that videos of VSN firing arent being shown as we are supposed to be the 'good guy' and conforming to minsk, they clearly a retaliating though in what number we dont know. What surpsises me is that we dont see videos from the ukies themselves reporting on the damage done by VSN.

That means either the damage done by the VSN is next to non-existent or too severe and looks too much like more defeat.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Im assuming that videos of VSN firing arent being shown as we are supposed to be the 'good guy' and conforming to minsk, they clearly a retaliating though in what number we dont know. What surpsises me is that we dont see videos from the ukies themselves reporting on the damage done by VSN.

That means either the damage done by the VSN is next to non-existent or too severe and looks too much like more defeat.

Severe, last night it seems particulary so, but as is very clear, neither side say anything.
Ukrops positions at Artemovo last night. This is a suburb of Dzerzhinsk and the front line with Gorlovka runs along the southern edge. Probably caused by faulty Chinese air conditioners which are well known for explosive properties....


Dead ukrops from "Azov". Place and exact date are not known, but it is said to be this month.

That Azov death squad scumbag was "hunting" judging by his hunting cap with feather.    It is satisfying that his cranium
got ventilated.

Khepesh wrote:
Severe, last night it seems particulary so, but as is very clear, neither side say anything.
Ukrops positions at Artemovo last night. This is a suburb of Dzerzhinsk and the front line with Gorlovka runs along the southern edge. Probably caused by faulty Chinese air conditioners which are well known for explosive properties....

The supreme irony of our boys finally visiting some satanic payback for the orc block post guards is they can't run to OSCE and complain with destroyed arty and empty ammo boxes laying all over the place and OSCE can't say a word without acknowledging that the orcs are bombarding everything in sight. It is never a bad thing when one can shove an unlubricated telephone pole up two much deserving digestive system exits with the one action.

auslander wrote:

Khepesh wrote:
Severe, last night it seems particulary so, but as is very clear, neither side say anything.
Ukrops positions at Artemovo last night. This is a suburb of Dzerzhinsk and the front line with Gorlovka runs along the southern edge. Probably caused by faulty Chinese air conditioners which are well known for explosive properties....

The supreme irony of our boys finally visiting some satanic payback for the orc block post guards is they can't run to OSCE and complain with destroyed arty and empty ammo boxes laying all over the place and OSCE can't say a word without acknowledging that the orcs are bombarding everything in sight. It is never a bad thing when one can shove an unlubricated telephone pole up two much deserving digestive system exits with the one action.

My friend, you are indeed the wordsmith of the highest order.


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Also:

''Ukraine Has No Money to Shut Out Russia With Border

More than a year after Kiev launched an ambitious project to seal up Ukraine's 2,000-kilometer border with Russia only a small fraction of the $250-million project that Kiev hopes could help withstand an imaginary Russian invasion has been built........''

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150815/1025786814.html

This guy is still alive? Someone needs to put a bullet in his head ASAP

http://www.newsweek.com/putins-war-swedish-sniper-ukraine-362883

franco wrote:

Saw a twitter mention of a behind the lines ambush at Mariupol last night. Did you catch anything?

No, not last night, but it does seem that there are often raids.

Here is a trailer for a film being made call "We want to live". It shows everything as it is and is brutal. I get into problems on other forum when trying to show that Kiev kills Donbass civilians and that they do not kill themselves. I am sure everybody here is very aware of the brick wall against reality that these scum put up. I am currently suspended from a forum, not the mess, for attempting to argue for the reality. There are plenty of "horror" video and photo that can be used, but I think this film will put the point across very clearly. The problem is that on these military forums were it is presumed that members, if not serving or ex military, have a strong interest in military affairs and therefore a strong stomach. But it seems on the forums which all NATO orientated, that while they like to do the killing, Iraq, Libya etc, they cannot deal with seeing the results, and so do not like such videos as these as they are a reproach.
Oh, and odd stuff happening, but hardly unusual, this time about ukrops movements behind the lines which seem to be massive. Probably trolling as they have done this before, but maybe not this big. Reports are out of Izyum and Artemovsk. Also reports of Pion at Marinka, but perhaps Turchinov, the total moron even according to his own side, visits and brings his travelling Potemkin village with him.

Khepesh wrote:Here is a trailer for a film being made call "We want to live". It shows everything as it is and is brutal. I get into problems on other forum when trying to show that Kiev kills Donbass civilians and that they do not kill themselves. I am sure everybody here is very aware of the brick wall against reality that these scum put up. I am currently suspended from a forum, not the mess, for attempting to argue for the reality. There are plenty of "horror" video and photo that can be used, but I think this film will put the point across very clearly. The problem is that on these military forums were it is presumed that members, if not serving or ex military, have a strong interest in military affairs and therefore a strong stomach. But it seems on the forums which all NATO orientated, that while they like to do the killing, Iraq, Libya etc, they cannot deal with seeing the results, and so do not like such videos as these as they are a reproach.
Oh, and odd stuff happening, but hardly unusual, this time about ukrops movements behind the lines which seem to be massive. Probably trolling as they have done this before, but maybe not this big. Reports are out of Izyum and Artemovsk. Also reports of Pion at Marinka, but perhaps Turchinov, the total moron even according to his own side, visits and brings his travelling Potemkin village with him.

f*cking vermin, video brings back the level of the HaHol scum killing of civilians in cold blood .... how any so called civilised country can back Kiev is a mystery .... they have no shame

franco wrote:

Godric wrote:how much mechanised units are in service with the Hahols  .. when I mean units I mean how many Tanks, APCs, IFVs etc are in operable condition ... I haven't seen them use T-80s yet ... the video that I did see of them trying to service T-80's they looked in very bad shape

This is what the NAF was estimating June 1st. There are more men and units since. I would say at least another 60 tanks.

According to the NAF, the Ukrainians have built up to the following force level in the Donbas.

"Kiev authorities continue to build missile base troops in the area of ​​the demilitarized zone. According to our intelligence, its composition has already 36 battalion tactical groups, 20 separate infantry battalions, two battalions of special purpose and 3 reconnaissance battalion, - quoted him as saying Donetsk news agency. - In the area of ​​punitive action adversary concentrated to 45 thousand troops, 380 tanks, 1,800 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 980 field artillery pieces and MLRS, and up to 75 combat aircraft and helicopters. "

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fitar-tass.com%2Farmiya-i-vpk&sandbox=1

I've seen the nick of some of their mechanised equipment a lot of it is in poor condition and the bulk of their tank forces still seem to be T-64s ... I know the Ukies sold the majority of T-80Us ... the T-80s I saw looked like a early T-80B model and a lot of their Ifvs will be BMP1s