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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:40 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Yeah, it is better to stop caring about Donbass civilians. It does no good and just gets your blood pressure up.

    You and I are not ethnic Russians, so why should this war have anything to do with our blood pressures? geek

    We have our western way of fighting war, shock and awe, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Em Russians have their eastern way of fighting war, a way we can never understand. Let them fight their way and stop worrying about it. Razz

    You're an ethnic Serb, as is your split personality - Karl Haushofer.

    And having entire conversations or arguements with yourself ain't fooling anyone here. Sorry buddy.
    You're here just to provoke some insane discussions. Eternal war continuing for the next 100 years? Yeah whatever man, there's no way a blatantly antagonistic force can survive on Russia's borders for more than a few years before it either eliminates itself or is eliminated. Was the same pattern with Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and the Ukraine is hardly about to become a success story either. Now quieten down already.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:49 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Obama is out of office after next year. Putin must plan for the next president who is Republican and warhawk. I suspect NAF might start ground offensive next year to try take Kiev before the big guns fly in from the US.

    You mean the vile clinton with reproduction parts on the inside?

    The US never elects the same party twice in a row. Dems and Repubs switch one after the other. That's the way in the US. The next president will not be a Democrat.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    You're an ethnic Serb, as is your split personality - Karl Haushofer.

    And having entire conversations or arguements with yourself ain't fooling anyone here. Sorry buddy.
    You're here just to provoke some insane discussions. Eternal war continuing for the next 100 years? Yeah whatever man, there's no way a blatantly antagonistic force can survive on Russia's borders for more than a few years before it either eliminates itself or is eliminated. Was the same pattern with Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and the Ukraine is hardly about to become a success story either. Now quieten down already.

    If you say Flagship and Haus are the same person 1 more time, I will say Russians shot down MH17. geek
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:59 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    You're an ethnic Serb, as is your split personality - Karl Haushofer.

    And having entire conversations or arguements with yourself ain't fooling anyone here. Sorry buddy.
    You're here just to provoke some insane discussions. Eternal war continuing for the next 100 years? Yeah whatever man, there's no way a blatantly antagonistic force can survive on Russia's borders for more than a few years before it either eliminates itself or is eliminated. Was the same pattern with Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and the Ukraine is hardly about to become a success story either. Now quieten down already.

    If you say Flagship and Haus are the same person 1 more time, I will say Russians shot down MH17. geek

    You're quite clearly one and the same person and if you don't actually realise that - it means that you've constructed an elaborate fantasy reality for yourself in order to avoid admiting your own dual identity. I'm no doctor but it sounds like the type of thing Schizophrenia-sufferers might develop.

    I hope you can get the proffessional help you need.
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    Post  franco Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:11 am

    @ flagship

    Please read and memorize, there will be a quiz afterwards;
    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025809053.html

    And then please invoke that memory whenever you want to know why Russia doesn't attack Ukraine or give more support to the Donbas.
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:21 am

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:28 am

    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:The West and Ukrainians being prepped for another Russian invasion of Ukraine thru the Donbas. The interesting development in all of this is the admission that there actually are rebels fighting against Kiev, something that up to the end of 2014 was heresy;
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-fears-big-war-as-russia-sends-in-more-troops-10457571.html

    Both Donetsk and Lugansk leaders have been saying that Ukraine has been trying to provoke the NAF into attacking them, but barring that, will soon attack claiming it to be a preemptive strike.
    The activity a couple of nights back could have been a feint to get the NAF to attack, or a trial run as you probably remember the Georgians doing a mass deployment out of their bases a couple of weeks prior back in 2008. It could also been to test NAF reaction times.
    The UAF has massed 4 large strike forces of 10-15,000 troops per;
    One is directed north of Mariupol,
    One south of Donetsk,
    One north of Gorlovka,
    One north of Lugansk,

    PS; were any of you aware the NAF attacked the UAF a couple of days back and suffered 130 dead as per the article linked confused

    echechechec

    people say don't shoot the messenger. I say old chap, blow him to pieces.

    Ecce Adam Nathan the author...dude's a fake account most probably and manages an "NGO in Kyiv", as well as a freelance 'writer'. This is hogwash, Peremoga style...relaks. Guy is a contributor to UA today and one of the many plants from our firends am Westen to preach the good word.

    As per my comment to start, "the West and Ukrainians being prepped".

    The rest stands on it's own.


    I agree, just providing background on author...because that clash killing 130 people is a bit like me humping Miss Universe last evening, it surely did happen, 100%
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:37 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Yeah, it is better to stop caring about Donbass civilians. It does no good and just gets your blood pressure up.

    You and I are not ethnic Russians, so why should this war have anything to do with our blood pressures? geek

    We have our western way of fighting war, shock and awe, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Em Russians have their eastern way of fighting war, a way we can never understand. Let them fight their way and stop worrying about it. Razz

    You're an ethnic Serb, as is your split personality - Karl Haushofer.

    And having entire conversations or arguements with yourself ain't fooling anyone here. Sorry buddy.
    You're here just to provoke some insane discussions. Eternal war continuing for the next 100 years? Yeah whatever man, there's no way a blatantly antagonistic force can survive on Russia's borders for more than a few years before it either eliminates itself or is eliminated. Was the same pattern with Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and the Ukraine is hardly about to become a success story either. Now quieten down already.

    Dude,  don't insult Serbs please... cry

    And don't quote this clown. clown sniper
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    Post  auslander Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Yeah, it is better to stop caring about Donbass civilians. It does no good and just gets your blood pressure up.

    You and I are not ethnic Russians, so why should this war have anything to do with our blood pressures? geek

    We have our western way of fighting war, shock and awe, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Em Russians have their eastern way of fighting war, a way we can never understand. Let them fight their way and stop worrying about it. Razz

    You're an ethnic Serb, as is your split personality - Karl Haushofer.

    And having entire conversations or arguements with yourself ain't fooling anyone here. Sorry buddy.
    You're here just to provoke some insane discussions. Eternal war continuing for the next 100 years? Yeah whatever man, there's no way a blatantly antagonistic force can survive on Russia's borders for more than a few years before it either eliminates itself or is eliminated. Was the same pattern with Georgia, Chechnya, Moldova and the Ukraine is hardly about to become a success story either. Now quieten down already.

    Dude,  don't insult Serbs please... cry

    And don't quote this clown.        clown sniper

    I second the dual motions. Only time I see it's posts is when the post is quoted. The clown has some serious mental problems, it's probably some 40 year old living in it's mommy's basement in Detroit.
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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:04 am

    ^^
    Hahaha Laughing
    Seriously, either he starts posting properly or mods should deal with his accounts once and for all.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:43 am

    franco wrote:@ flagship

    Please read and memorize, there will be a quiz afterwards;
    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025809053.html

    And then please invoke that memory whenever you want to know why Russia doesn't attack Ukraine or give more support to the Donbas.

    If this is indeed the case then it is in Russia's best interest to send peacekeepers to Donbas and immediately end this war. This war is going on 2 years and lord knows how many civilians have been killed or maimed by daily shelling. Indeed, Donetsk has become the most bombarded city in the history of mankind.

    Maidan tries to flatten Donetsk, but it currently does not have the shells to do it. Come January 2017, the next American president Republican warhawk will supply hundreds of thousands of 155 mm shells along with 155 mm artillery to Maidan and then Donetsk would be flattened.


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:50 am

    What a despicable place Ukraine has become to live in.


    Students hand professor over to security service for making pro-separatist statements

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/students-hand-professor-over-to-security-service-for-making-pro-separatist-statements-395762.html

    The peculiar nature of the conflict in Ukraine, which has not officially been declared a war but has now killed nearly 7,000 people, has produced a strange result: an air of suspicion along the front line so strong it prompts ordinary residents to hunt for “separatists” among their own neighbors and friends.


    On Aug. 13, the Security Service of Ukraine announced it had issued an official warning to a university professor in the western city of Zhytomyr after his own students ratted him out for expressing support for Russia’s actions in eastern Ukraine.

    SBU spokeswoman Irina Martynyuk said in a statement that “if (the professor) repeats these actions he will be detained and his actions will be prosecuted under the Criminal Code.”

    The grassroots initiative to root out separatist sympathizers is nothing new. Throughout the conflict, the Security Service of Ukraine has regularly announced the detention of residents near the front line who collaborate with separatists, either for monetary gain or for political reasons.

    The widespread practice of separatist forces using informants from among the local population has now apparently fueled so much paranoia among ordinary citizens that it has reached the west of the country, hundreds of kilometers from the front.

    Alexander Demchenko, the head of the “Stop Separatism” volunteer group, has taken the initiative a step further and begun serving as a go-between for ordinary residents and the SBU.

    “People living near the front are often afraid to call the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) or just can’t get through, and some don’t even know where to send such information. My partner and I have been collecting complaints (about separatists) for a year now and passing them on to the SBU,” Demchenko said.

    When he first started, he said, most of the calls came from Odesa, Mykolaiv and Kharkiv, with several tips a day, whereas now most calls come from Kyiv.

    In one case, he said, a man had called to complain about his mother-in-law defending Russia’s actions over dinner.

    The SBU has repeatedly encouraged residents to look out for separatist collaborators, offering a hotline for tips and setting up eye-catching billboards in the east. The Donetsk regional police department has joined in and set up a special email tip line as well.

    “People of various ages write to us – young people, pensioners,” Natalya Shiman, spokeswoman for the Donetsk regional administration, was cited as saying by Segodnya.ua.

    “Each day we get 3-4 messages. For example, work is now under way to catch a recruiter for the separatists. We learned of this from the driver of a postal truck,” she said, adding that the recruiter had offered money for information on Ukrainian troop movements.

    In the Ukrainian-controlled part of Donetsk Oblast, billboards and signs line the streets with appeals to residents to watch out for the warning signs of an “ordinary separatist.” They are said to “defile national symbols” and “are awaiting the arrival of the Russian world,” according to the signs, which offer the phone number of a hotline to call should you encounter such a person.

    The signs politely inform passersby that collaborating with separatist forces will get you between 7-12 years in prison.

    Not everyone is supportive of the widespread initiative to track down separatist collaborators, however.

    In an editorial published by Inforesist.org on Aug. 14, Semyon Gluzman, a former Soviet dissident and the head of the Ukrainian Psychiatric Association, warned that people could abuse the hotline to settle personal scores.

    “With us, separatism is starting to be rooted out and persecuted using the recipe of Yozhov and Beria. (Nikolai Yozhov and Lavrentiy Beria, two heads of the Soviet secret police under dictator Josef Stalin). Publicly calling for the population to spot those who are not content (with the current situation). I would like to ask one question: what percentage of people living in shelled, starving and socially deprived villages in Donbas are content? And what percentage of the so-called content people wouldn’t use the opportunity to tattle on “separatists” to settle scores with their previous enemies, their annoying neighbor or ex-husband who doesn’t want to pay alimony?”

    Deputy police chief of Donetsk Oblast Ilya Kiva, who in comments to the Kyiv Post described separatism as a “plague that needs to be stamped out before it spreads further,” refused to say whether the police tip line had ever been abused by local residents seeking to settle scores.

    “Of course, it’s human nature that these things would happen. I wouldn’t rule out that it is happening. But in each case the information provided is thoroughly and carefully investigated to ensure that the system is not abused,” Kiva said.

    He declined to specify whether or not police had documented any such cases since starting the tip line.

    A request for comment sent to the SBU on whether or not its tip line had ever been abused was not immediately answered.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:02 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:What a despicable place Ukraine has become to live in.


    Students hand professor over to security service for making pro-separatist statements

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/students-hand-professor-over-to-security-service-for-making-pro-separatist-statements-395762.html

    The peculiar nature of the conflict in Ukraine, which has not officially been declared a war but has now killed nearly 7,000 people, has produced a strange result: an air of suspicion along the front line so strong it prompts ordinary residents to hunt for “separatists” among their own neighbors and friends.


    On Aug. 13, the Security Service of Ukraine announced it had issued an official warning to a university professor in the western city of Zhytomyr after his own students ratted him out for expressing support for Russia’s actions in eastern Ukraine.

    SBU spokeswoman Irina Martynyuk said in a statement that “if (the professor) repeats these actions he will be detained and his actions will be prosecuted under the Criminal Code.”

    The grassroots initiative to root out separatist sympathizers is nothing new. Throughout the conflict, the Security Service of Ukraine has regularly announced the detention of residents near the front line who collaborate with separatists, either for monetary gain or for political reasons.

    The widespread practice of separatist forces using informants from among the local population has now apparently fueled so much paranoia among ordinary citizens that it has reached the west of the country, hundreds of kilometers from the front.

    Alexander Demchenko, the head of the “Stop Separatism” volunteer group, has taken the initiative a step further and begun serving as a go-between for ordinary residents and the SBU.

    “People living near the front are often afraid to call the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) or just can’t get through, and some don’t even know where to send such information. My partner and I have been collecting complaints (about separatists) for a year now and passing them on to the SBU,” Demchenko said.

    When he first started, he said, most of the calls came from Odesa, Mykolaiv and Kharkiv, with several tips a day, whereas now most calls come from Kyiv.

    In one case, he said, a man had called to complain about his mother-in-law defending Russia’s actions over dinner.

    The SBU has repeatedly encouraged residents to look out for separatist collaborators, offering a hotline for tips and setting up eye-catching billboards in the east. The Donetsk regional police department has joined in and set up a special email tip line as well.

    “People of various ages write to us – young people, pensioners,” Natalya Shiman, spokeswoman for the Donetsk regional administration, was cited as saying by Segodnya.ua.

    “Each day we get 3-4 messages. For example, work is now under way to catch a recruiter for the separatists. We learned of this from the driver of a postal truck,” she said, adding that the recruiter had offered money for information on Ukrainian troop movements.

    In the Ukrainian-controlled part of Donetsk Oblast, billboards and signs line the streets with appeals to residents to watch out for the warning signs of an “ordinary separatist.” They are said to “defile national symbols” and “are awaiting the arrival of the Russian world,” according to the signs, which offer the phone number of a hotline to call should you encounter such a person.

    The signs politely inform passersby that collaborating with separatist forces will get you between 7-12 years in prison.

    Not everyone is supportive of the widespread initiative to track down separatist collaborators, however.

    In an editorial published by Inforesist.org on Aug. 14, Semyon Gluzman, a former Soviet dissident and the head of the Ukrainian Psychiatric Association, warned that people could abuse the hotline to settle personal scores.

    “With us, separatism is starting to be rooted out and persecuted using the recipe of Yozhov and Beria. (Nikolai Yozhov and Lavrentiy Beria, two heads of the Soviet secret police under dictator Josef Stalin). Publicly calling for the population to spot those who are not content (with the current situation). I would like to ask one question: what percentage of people living in shelled, starving and socially deprived villages in Donbas are content? And what percentage of the so-called content people wouldn’t use the opportunity to tattle on “separatists” to settle scores with their previous enemies, their annoying neighbor or ex-husband who doesn’t want to pay alimony?”

    Deputy police chief of Donetsk Oblast Ilya Kiva, who in comments to the Kyiv Post described separatism as a “plague that needs to be stamped out before it spreads further,” refused to say whether the police tip line had ever been abused by local residents seeking to settle scores.

    “Of course, it’s human nature that these things would happen. I wouldn’t rule out that it is happening. But in each case the information provided is thoroughly and carefully investigated to ensure that the system is not abused,” Kiva said.

    He declined to specify whether or not police had documented any such cases since starting the tip line.

    A request for comment sent to the SBU on whether or not its tip line had ever been abused was not immediately answered.


    More and more fascist tendencies rear their ugly head, and now we have the persecution of intellectuals...is there an ounce of originality coming from Kiev?
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:15 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:More and more fascist tendencies rear their ugly head, and now we have the persecution of intellectuals...is there an ounce of originality coming from Kiev?

    It's Maidan. Fascists.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:21 pm

    Putin visits Crimea tomorrow cheers russia
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:28 pm

    WTF does this mean? A pullout? They have only just pulled-in. Weapons >120mm still OK? Supspect no-one knows what to do whilst Kiev continues on its current path.

    The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe's (OSCE) monitoring mission in Ukraine and the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) outlined three steps to de-escalate the ongoing conflict in Donbass, DPR negotiator Denis Pushilin said Sunday.

    DONETSK (Sputnik) — The first step will be to verify the pullout of weapons with caliber less than 120-mm by the conflicting sides, and the OSCE mission is due to register and report the withdrawal from the contact line.

    Moreover, night shelling should be registered in order to help stop the fire.

    The next step is to intensify the preparation and signing of a document on the withdrawal of weapons with caliber less than 100-mm, he added.

    "We have agreed several high-priority steps which the OSCE Mission is to discuss with its authorities, and we [DPR] will also prepare for the implementation of these [three] steps," Pushilin told reporters.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025812168.html#ixzz3izohenGR


    Then there is this, complete opposite.

    KIEV, August 16. /TASS/. Ukraine’s authorities reserve the right "in case of a threat" to return to the front line weapons of calibre over 100mm, speaker of the Ukrainian presidential administration on the force operation in Donbass Alexander Motuzyanik told a briefing on Sunday.

    He said Kiev had fulfilled the provision of the Minsk agreements on withdrawal of the weapons of the calibre, which, he said, the militia had not done. "Thus, we reserve the right in case of threat to lives and health of our military to return without delays those weapons and use them."


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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:30 pm

    JohninMK wrote:WTF does this mean? A pullout? They have only just pulled-in. Weapons >120mm still OK?

    The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe's (OSCE) monitoring mission in Ukraine and the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) outlined three steps to de-escalate the ongoing conflict in Donbass, DPR negotiator Denis Pushilin said Sunday.

    DONETSK (Sputnik) — The first step will be to verify the pullout of weapons with caliber less than 120-mm by the conflicting sides, and the OSCE mission is due to register and report the withdrawal from the contact line.

    Moreover, night shelling should be registered in order to help stop the fire.

    The next step is to intensify the preparation and signing of a document on the withdrawal of weapons with caliber less than 100-mm, he added.

    "We have agreed several high-priority steps which the OSCE Mission is to discuss with its authorities, and we [DPR] will also prepare for the implementation of these [three] steps," Pushilin told reporters.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025812168.html#ixzz3izohenGR

    Maidan is fascist just like Nazis. Why would Maidan pull out its artillery? NAF might do so unilaterally but no way Maidan will do it.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:51 pm

    The nightly concerts have started. Outgoing Grads from Donetsk at the moment.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:59 pm

    2,440 soldiers killed as of July 11. This is beginning to look like Ukraine's Afghanistan.

    http://memorybook.org.ua/index.htm
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:02 pm

    Flynn’s Last Interview: Iconoclast Departs DIA With A Warning
    By James Kitfield on August 07, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    http://breakingdefense.com/2014/08/flynns-last-interview-intel-iconoclast-departs-dia-with-a-warning

    Have been reading / listening to him this morning.

    Flynn: Yes, because events happen so fast. Just consider the crisis in Ukraine. Information travels so fast now that suddenly everyone is asking policymakers, ‘What are you going to do about it?’ Even the President, I believe, sometimes feels compelled to just do something without first saying ‘Wait! How did this happen? Who made this decision?’ My point is before we wade into the middle of a big crisis, we need to take a deep breath, and figure out whether it was prompted by a decision by [Russian President Vladimir] Putin, or [Chinese President Xi] Jinping? Or is it provoked by some Russian general on the ground ordering his troops into Ukraine to gain a promotion, or some Chinese admiral looking to act tough by sinking a Japanese vessel? Because if a crisis escalates and we go to the gates in preparation for war, we had better do it for the right reasons.

    JK: When you were asked recently at the Aspen Security Forum whether the United States is safer from the terrorist threat today than before 9/11, you answered no.

    Flynn: I know that’s a scary thought, but in 2004, there were 21 total Islamic terrorist groups spread out in 18 countries. Today, there are 41 Islamic terrorist groups spread out in 24 countries. A lot of these groups have the intention to attack Western interests, to include Western embassies and in some cases Western countries. Some have both the intention and some capability to attack the United States homeland.


    In this interview he says the policy makers invest in conflicts, not solutions.

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    Post  par far Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:09 pm

    franco wrote:@ flagship

    Please read and memorize, there will be a quiz afterwards;
    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025809053.html

    And then please invoke that memory whenever you want to know why Russia doesn't attack Ukraine or give more support to the Donbas.


    This is how the west media works and it is mostly Russia's fault. Either sent in Russian peacekeepers(I don't know how effective this strategy is going to be) or let the NAF go on a offensive, give them support and make another Debaltseve pocket and collapse the fascist Ukrainian army and Ukraine will go with it(this will be very hard). Russia is letting this happen to it self because it wants/needs to sell oil and gas to Europe and Europe is controlled by the US.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:12 pm

    par far wrote:
    franco wrote:@ flagship

    Please read and memorize, there will be a quiz afterwards;
    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025809053.html

    And then please invoke that memory whenever you want to know why Russia doesn't attack Ukraine or give more support to the Donbas.


    This is how the west media works and it is mostly Russia's fault. Either sent in Russian peacekeepers(I don't know how effective this strategy is going to be) or let the NAF go on a offensive, give them support and make another Debaltseve pocket and collapse the fascist Ukrainian army and Ukraine will go with it(this will be very hard). Russia is letting this happen to it self because it wants/needs to sell oil and gas to Europe and Europe is control of the US.

    I don't agree. If it is what you say, Russia would have been pressured to return Crimea to Ukraine. That has not happened. Clearly, it is not economic sanction that is preventing Putin from letting NAF take territory.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:03 pm

    Oh shut up and please contribute something to making things better in America, fellow American, not making the problems we have worse.

    In case you haven't noticed, we're up the creek without a paddle, and persons running our country and in politics both parties should be in jail.
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    Post  par far Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:27 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    par far wrote:
    franco wrote:@ flagship

    Please read and memorize, there will be a quiz afterwards;
    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150816/1025809053.html

    And then please invoke that memory whenever you want to know why Russia doesn't attack Ukraine or give more support to the Donbas.


    This is how the west media works and it is mostly Russia's fault. Either sent in Russian peacekeepers(I don't know how effective this strategy is going to be) or let the NAF go on a offensive, give them support and make another Debaltseve pocket and collapse the fascist Ukrainian army and Ukraine will go with it(this will be very hard). Russia is letting this happen to it self because it wants/needs to sell oil and gas to Europe and Europe is control of the US.

    I don't agree. If it is what you say, Russia would have been pressured to return Crimea to Ukraine. That has not happened. Clearly, it is not economic sanction that is preventing Putin from letting NAF take territory.

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