The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

Maidan plans to get coal from Donbas via Russia, whatever that means. Maybe Maidan asking Russia to order NAF supply Maidan coal for free? I thought NAF is already doing that.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/ukraine-planning-to-deliver-coal-from-donbas-via-russia-395594.html

Russia will never allow Maidan to collapse economically. If Maidan collapses economically, it would send shockwave throughout eastern Europe and drag Russia down with it. Ukraine is no Moldova or Georgia. Ukraine is a big country of tens of millions. That's why Russia will supply coal to Maidan for free.

Stop responding to the idiot. He keeps saying it is for free. He couldn't provide a lick of evidence that it was free, or for that matter that Putin outright tells them what to do. This guy is a troll, 100% and only doing this to stir crap. Hopefully the mods will deal with him entirely.

sepheronx wrote:Stop responding to the idiot.  He keeps saying it is for free.  He couldn't provide a lick of evidence that it was free, or for that matter that Putin outright tells them what to do.  This guy is a troll, 100% and only doing this to stir crap.  Hopefully the mods will deal with him entirely.

Free or not, that is not the point. IMF is Maidan's boss. How much money does IMF has? Unlimited.

PapaDragon wrote:

Dforce wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:forbes article on recent declines of Russia and Ukraine economies

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2015/08/14/time-is-not-on-ukraines-side/

Wonder why he did not mention Q2 2015?

What awaits us in Q2 of 2015? Come on Big D, throw some wisdom our way!

Will debtles, rapidly developing economy of Evil Empire collapse unexpectedly?

Will Country 404 instantly become financial utopia fuled by EU values, triumph of the will and positive vibes?

Stay tuned for latest breaking news from beyond reality, brought to you by DNN.

Q2 being the byproduct of high interest rates and high inflation which really dragged down both investments and domestic consumption.  Things have already seen growth so far.  But of course, people talk crap.  While they think that Ukraine will drop economically by 7% and Russia by 3 - 5%, when Ukraines economy has shrunk even more technically, pensions dropped severely, and industrial production is effectively 25% less than before since that 25% belongs to Novorussia.  Then also take into account the Hyrvina dropping (not beneficial for them as they produce very little) and are now having to import food compared to before.

Forbes runs an agenda like the others.  Whats worst is people actually use Bloomberg as a source when bloomberg himself is a politician in New York.

Flagship Victory wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Stop responding to the idiot.  He keeps saying it is for free.  He couldn't provide a lick of evidence that it was free, or for that matter that Putin outright tells them what to do.  This guy is a troll, 100% and only doing this to stir crap.  Hopefully the mods will deal with him entirely.

Free or not, that is not the point. IMF is Maidan's boss. How much money does IMF has? Unlimited.

Maybe, maybe not.  IMF may have ties directly to the FED Reserve, but that doesn't mean they have unlimited money.  That comes from somewhere and ties into others growing debt (mainly US).  But it all depends on how it will be paid off, if ever.

Biggest joke is the fact that people will trade off their lives, their nation and their goods for a piece of plastic/paper with a face on it.  It will come at a heartbreak for many nations who relies upon IMF debt to even survive.  So that is why I am waiting for BRICS and AIIB.

Also, please, for future can you stop the BS claims and titles? No more of this "Putin said this or that" and "for Free" without providing any links and without any of such claims in the article. Cause that is what is driving I and other mad. It is simple to just keep at the topics hand, and state exactly what the article said without adding your own narrative. Then I wont be rude.

kvs wrote:Who is this "anyone"?  Some retard?   What has Russia done to damage Ukraine's economy?  Has Russia imposed sanctions
on Ukraine?  Last time I checked it was the Kiev regime that was aggressively severing economic ties to Russia.

The "anyone" is the invention of a scribe straight out of INGSOC. Lie is truth if the reader believes the lie. A proven capacity for doublethink is a prerequisite for career advancement in "journalism," so the scribe may even believe it himself.

sepheronx wrote:Stop responding to the idiot.  He keeps saying it is for free.  He couldn't provide a lick of evidence that it was free, or for that matter that Putin outright tells them what to do.  This guy is a troll, 100% and only doing this to stir crap.  Hopefully the mods will deal with him entirely.

Useless. They will not stop responding to him. He is a troll with a modicum of talent. He has an instinct to sense which anti-Russia propaganda points will sting the most, and he gravitates to those. All the while he carries on a charade with his alter egos and faux NAF support.

He's not going to be banned by the mods. I'll probably be banned before he is. And who cares? I find it frankly amusing. Why not just accept things as they are use him for a practice punching bag? Use him to get your talking points in order, because the shit he says you'll hear repeated endlessly by countless, brainwashed Western dolts.

sepheronx wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Dforce wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:forbes article on recent declines of Russia and Ukraine economies

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2015/08/14/time-is-not-on-ukraines-side/

Wonder why he did not mention Q2 2015?

What awaits us in Q2 of 2015? Come on Big D, throw some wisdom our way!

Will debtles, rapidly developing economy of Evil Empire collapse unexpectedly?

Will Country 404 instantly become financial utopia fuled by EU values, triumph of the will and positive vibes?

Stay tuned for latest breaking news from beyond reality, brought to you by DNN.

Q2 being the byproduct of high interest rates and high inflation which really dragged down both investments and domestic consumption.  Things have already seen growth so far.  But of course, people talk crap.  While they think that Ukraine will drop economically by 7% and Russia by 3 - 5%, when Ukraines economy has shrunk even more technically, pensions dropped severely, and industrial production is effectively 25% less than before since that 25% belongs to Novorussia.  Then also take into account the Hyrvina dropping (not beneficial for them as they produce very little) and are now having to import food compared to before.

Forbes runs an agenda like the others.  Whats worst is people actually use Bloomberg as a source when bloomberg himself is a politician in New York.

This. I hope you are satisfied with this answer Dforce. It will get better for Russia from here. Next year, Russia's GDP will grow. As for Ukraine....

SBU claimed that billionaire Rinat Ahkmetov is the sponsor of Novo "terrorists"

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/14/sbu-struktura-rinata-ahmetova-finansirovala-terroristov

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Gazprom has announced that, the gas debt of Donbass region is about 217 million USD. The responsibility of paying the debt is, of course, Ukrainian Naftogaz

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/14/gazprom-ozvuchil-summu-dolga-ukrainy-za-postavki-topliva-donbassu

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

Dforce wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

If Maidan don't want it, then why ATO and losing thousands of soldiers?

Dforce wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

Absolutely correct Dforce. Of course Russia doesn't want Novorossiya to join Russia. Call it a buffer if you want, just like all of Europe for the US. Russia does want them to be independent of the 4th Reich though. Russia will support the independence of Novorossiya to prevent the 4th Reich and its sponsor governments (cough cough US and EU cough) from getting nestled in on Russia's doorstep.

Flagship Victory wrote:

Dforce wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

If Maidan don't want it, then why ATO and losing thousands of soldiers?

Please read that again, I bolded the relevant part.

Dforce wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

Dforce wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

Say what?

Russia do not want the "liberated" areas in Donbass to join Russia, that is quite clear, and Ukraine would rather give the areas to Russia then to accept them back udner Russias terms.

If Maidan don't want it, then why ATO and losing thousands of soldiers?

Please read that again,  I bolded the relevant part.

More like the EU and the USA won't give in to Russia's terms and fight until the last Ukrainian male fit for military service. What happens next? Would be great to see US and UK soldiers taking over and start taking massive casualities as well. Call it payback or karma. Your choice.

higurashihougi wrote:SBU claimed that billionaire Rinat Ahkmetov is the sponsor of Novo "terrorists"

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/14/sbu-struktura-rinata-ahmetova-finansirovala-terroristov

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Gazprom has announced that, the gas debt of Donbass region is about 217 million USD. The responsibility of paying the debt is, of course, Ukrainian Naftogaz  

https://eadaily.com/news/2015/08/14/gazprom-ozvuchil-summu-dolga-ukrainy-za-postavki-topliva-donbassu

That means if Ukrainia wants to keep the claim of Novo's sovereignty, it has to pay the debt of 217 million USD. If it cannot pay the debt, well, Novo is independent.

That is Russia for us.

It's quite possible one or more Russian (and Ukrainian) oligarchs are sponsoring the NAF, but because they used the word "terrorists" you know it's a propaganda piece rather than accurate reporting.

sepheronx wrote:Stop responding to the idiot.  He keeps saying it is for free.  He couldn't provide a lick of evidence that it was free, or for that matter that Putin outright tells them what to do.  This guy is a troll, 100% and only doing this to stir crap.  Hopefully the mods will deal with him entirely.

I had to put kvs on my ignore list just because he was quoting flagship and dforce propaganda too often, I didn't want to. We have bans on quoting Wikipedia here, but trolls are ok!



Yesterday Donetsk was hit by a record 800 artillery shells.

Without wanting to quote a previous post perhaps a reason for Ukraine wanting coal via Russia is that the rail lines on that route are operating whilst the direct rail lines can't be trusted for continuous operation due to being blown up regularly. It does seem to be very difficult for the MoD, let alone the Energy Ministry, in Kiev to stop such activities.

In Gorlovka last night two civilians were killed and three wounded, no VSN casualties. The VSN commander "Zhelezniy" says the situation is tense but stable and , in loose translation, "Your trenches are like the pyramids of the Egyptian Pharaohs [strong and immortal], and there we are dug in". http://gorlovka.today/obshchestvo/2372-situatsiya-v-gorlovke-za-istekshie-sutki-ne-izmenilas

Khepesh wrote:In Gorlovka last night two civilians were killed and three wounded, no VSN casualties. The VSN commander "Zhelezniy" says the situation is tense but stable and , in loose translation, "Your trenches are like the pyramids of the Egyptian Pharaohs [strong and immortal], and there we are dug in". http://gorlovka.today/obshchestvo/2372-situatsiya-v-gorlovke-za-istekshie-sutki-ne-izmenilas

Are you detecting much in the way of counter battery fire from the VSN or do they seem to be keeping most of the artillery 'masked' for the day it is really needed?

JohninMK wrote:
Are you detecting much in the way of counter battery fire from the VSN or do they seem to be keeping most of the artillery 'masked' for the day it is really needed?

Minsk 2 is followed to the letter and beyond.... and besides, ukrops do a good job of destroying their own positions as happened outside Dzerzhinsk again last night when another ammunition storage was blown up. Very clumsy these ukrops. But there was the video from the quadcopter about a week ago showing counter battery fire on ukrops artillery near Dzerzhinsk, tho I think it wasn't new video, perhaps from June.

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
Are you detecting much in the way of counter battery fire from the VSN or do they seem to be keeping most of the artillery 'masked' for the day it is really needed?

Minsk 2 is followed to the letter and beyond.... and besides, ukrops do a good job of destroying their own positions as happened outside Dzerzhinsk again last night when another ammunition storage was blown up. Very clumsy these ukrops. But there was the video from the quadcopter about a week ago showing counter battery fire on ukrops artillery near Dzerzhinsk, tho I think it wasn't new video, perhaps from June.

Thanks. Perhaps there is a cash bonus available for such explosions or its easily deniable sabotage or maybe someone thinks if there is less ammo they will get to go home earlier. It will be interesting to see if they keep occurring.

JohninMK wrote:
Thanks. Perhaps there is a cash bonus available for such explosions or its easily deniable sabotage or maybe someone thinks if there is less ammo they will get to go home earlier. It will be interesting to see if they keep occurring.

They also have a problem with their artillery or training, probably training, as they had another chamber explosion few days back, but no video this time.

8.13.2015 - DPR Vikings have destroyed a UAF Battery BM-21 "Grad" grouping consisting of 5 vehicles and infantry - this wasReported by known Voenkor (volunteer corps) militiaman, Gennady Dubovoye:


8.13.2015 - 22:55

Ukrainian artillery from the outskirts of Mariupol, Talakovka, and Orlovsky bombarded populated areas on the demarcation line. Sahanki-Shirokino district was shelled and the UAF roadblock in Orlovsky near the dam on the border between Volnovakha and Mariupol. The day before, some Ukrainian units received their salaries, which usually results in drinking.

14.08.2015 - 0:45

Drunk Ukrainian soldiers reportedly seen unloading ammunitions near Pokrovsky district to the east of Artemovsk. As an apparent result of careless handling, an ordinance exploded. Casualties are unknown, but the glow of the blast can be seen from many kilometers away. Information is being received about a potentially similar incident in occupied Zaytsevo, Artemovsky district, near Gorlovka.

14.08.2015 - 12:16

Ukrainian artillery shelled Kievsky and Kalininsky districts of Donetsk. Several houses were destroyed. Casualties have been registered.

14.08.2015 - 12:37

Ukrainian forces shelled Gorlovka last night with heavy artillery such as Grad and ACS. One man has been killed. From January to July, 2015, 164 people have been killed and 500 wounded in Gorlovka. The city also has the highest number of children (under 18) killed by Ukrainian missiles - 16 in the first half of 2015.

fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/sitrep-all-august-13th-morning-14th.html

Seems being drunk whilst handling ammo is a UAF pass time.

I remember seeing a video a couple of months back, where they were just tipping large artillery shells out of a front end loader onto the ground in a pile on top of each other in a really clumsy non-professional manner.