Russia and the Baltic States

kvs wrote:.....They did not even envision that Russia would built a massive amount of new port capacity on the Gulf of Finland that totally nullifies the need to use the decaying chihuahua ports and connecting railways.   This f*ckup is of Biblical proportions.

They didn't just build a new port, they also built entire town from scratch for tens of thousands of people next to it

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:.....They did not even envision that Russia would built a massive amount of new port capacity on the Gulf of Finland that totally nullifies the need to use the decaying chihuahua ports and connecting railways.   This f*ckup is of Biblical proportions.

They didn't just build a new port, they also built entire town from scratch for tens of thousands of people next to it

They are also building an LNG terminal there

A nice new LNG terminal that might have been built in one of the Baltic states ports if they had continued to use them as normal.... hahahaha... the salty tears... but I am sure the west will thank them for their sacrifice in the cause... or not.

The major ports of the Baltic chihuahuas are shriveling up together with their rail transport.    These Russia hating swine, just like
the Banderatards (birds of a Nazi feather flock together), never stopped to think that their ports exist to service Russian cargo
and not EU cargo.   Any cargo going to the EU will go to Amsterdam or other ports close to the Atlantic.   It makes no sense to
ship to Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania and then transport back west via rail.   If cargo is going to go to the east of the Baltic it
will go to Poland and south.  

In fact, the Baltic statelets originated over 1,000 years ago (even if they never fully formed into countries and were always
under the control of big powers such as Teutonic Order and Sweden) as trade leeches.   Trade from Central Asia and Russia
with Scandinavia and via the Baltic has been going on for over 1,000 years as well.   Even when there was no unified Russian
state.    Now these chihuahuas are literally shooting their economic raison d'etre in the head.

BTW, the US is facilitating this economic suicide with its sanctions on Russian trade companies.   US sanctions are an insane
illegal atrocity.   Congress chimps and their puppet masters pass "laws" on sanctions that have not connection to reality
aside from the effort to keep Russia down.    These retards are only succeeding in keeping their chihuahua "friends" down.
Russia is successfully relocating all the trade done via the chihuahua ports to its own territory.   The US is utterly failing to
stop this trade.

So to review... US sanctions are hurting new US allies and new Russian enemies much more than it is hurting Russia... in fact you could call US sanctions salt for Russian wounds because it stings a little but it is killing those leeches so that the wounds can heal and the animal can revive and become healthy again... the leeches just die.

The US should continue with their sanctions because I am sure the reason that Putin hasn't become their bitch is because past sanctions were not quite strong enough, so more sanctions are the obvious solution.

In fact redirecting Russian trade to Russian ports instead of Baltic ports is actually a win win for Russia.

If they don't want to trade with Russia that is fine. There are plenty of other countries that do want to trade and though they are much further away it is worth it for both parties.

Latvia is begging Russia do return transit and to stop diverting it to Ust Luga and elsewhere.

Russia would be stupid to give these fucks the time of day. Let them eat yanqui shit. You made
your bed, no lie in it.

Latvia is begging Russia do return transit and to stop diverting it to Ust Luga and elsewhere.

What I don't understand is why Latvia thought it could continue to be the trade corridor for Russian goods after it had multiple anti Russia tantrums and a noisy separation.

Surely a country that is in HATO and the EU... you know... living the dream... should be cutting off Russian trade themselves, not begging not to be bypassed...

As mentioned they made their bed so now they need to learn how to cope with a future without Russian subsidies and support... I would think the EU will route trade through their ports to help... or they need to revise their focus on ports and trade and transport and look at some other way of making money for a living.

GarryB wrote:

Latvia is begging Russia do return transit and to stop diverting it to Ust Luga and elsewhere.

What I don't understand is why Latvia thought it could continue to be the trade corridor for Russian goods after it had multiple anti Russia tantrums and a noisy separation.

Surely a country that is in HATO and the EU... you know... living the dream... should be cutting off Russian trade themselves, not begging not to be bypassed...

As mentioned they made their bed so now they need to learn how to cope with a future without Russian subsidies and support... I would think the EU will route trade through their ports to help... or they need to revise their focus on ports and trade and transport and look at some other way of making money for a living.

It is demented chutzaph.  For some reason these Baltic statelets which owe their very existence to trade decided that trade
is a force of nature and not something they could kill with their attitude problems.    Only a full bore retard would think that Russia
couldn't build its own ports and the necessary infrastructure.   But this is exactly the delusion of delusions that these clowns
have had since the 1990s.   Russia was supposed to be too poor and corrupt to bypass them and stay that way forever if not
disappearing altogether.  

There was a robust trade through the Russian river system between northern Europe and Central Asia, reaching the Middle East
and even the Orient.   This history is forgotten in the west because the west is a narcissistic joke.

kvs wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Latvia is begging Russia do return transit and to stop diverting it to Ust Luga and elsewhere.

What I don't understand is why Latvia thought it could continue to be the trade corridor for Russian goods after it had multiple anti Russia tantrums and a noisy separation.

Surely a country that is in HATO and the EU... you know... living the dream... should be cutting off Russian trade themselves, not begging not to be bypassed...

As mentioned they made their bed so now they need to learn how to cope with a future without Russian subsidies and support... I would think the EU will route trade through their ports to help... or they need to revise their focus on ports and trade and transport and look at some other way of making money for a living.

It is demented chutzaph.  For some reason these Baltic statelets which owe their very existence to trade decided that trade
is a force of nature and not something they could kill with their attitude problems.    Only a full bore retard would think that Russia
couldn't build its own ports and the necessary infrastructure.   But this is exactly the delusion of delusions that these clowns
have had since the 1990s.   Russia was supposed to be too poor and corrupt to bypass them and stay that way forever if not
disappearing altogether.  

There was a robust trade through the Russian river system between northern Europe and Central Asia, reaching the Middle East
and even the Orient.   This history is forgotten in the west because the west is a narcissistic joke.

Actually using the ports of Riga in Latvia and or Klapeida in Lituania made sense for the soviet union and imperial Russia due to their position.  The funny thing is that if Russia had conquered Riga from Sweden 2 or 3 decades earlier, saint Petersburg might have never been founded, as they could have used Riga as imperial capital.

Anyway, if you look at a map it is impossibile for a central european nation to feel the need to use the ports from the baltic states. Poland has its own ports, for czech republich and slovakia polish and german ports are much nearer and  could also consider using Rotterdam, or even Trieste in the Adriatic sea (that is instead the first choice for Austria).

For Russia it made sense to use the ports of Riga and Klapeida when they were part of the same country, also because a lit of infrastructure was built there.

Now not anymore. If they did not pursue an antirussian policy, never tried to use it as a leverage against Russia and continued developing their ports and maintaining and modernising the infrastructure with the money they got from the trades and port usage,  I am sure that Russia Russia would have gladly continued using Riga and Klapeida ports, even if this would have meant less investment into its own infrastructure.

Now even if the situation would change and a prorussian government would appear in Latvia and Lithuania it is too late.  Russia has spent too much money building and improving its own ports, rail systems, roads ,etc.

The only country for which is geographically convenient to use the ports in the Baltic states is bielorussia,  but it is only marginally closer then Ust Luga (Minsk to Riga is about 400 km, while Minsk to Ust Luga is around 650km], and there is a non EU- EU state border in addition.

Anyway Russia has made clear to Bielorussian leadership that they cannot continue get money and cheap gas and oil from Russia and then spend money to use services from Russia's enemies. Furthermore with their attempted coup  sponsored fronm poland and from the baltic statelets last summer, unless tikonovskaya manage to actually organize a takeover of bielorussia,  there is much less chance that the bielorussian government would like to make them any favour.

Regarding the Baltic ports, they are not why these three countries exist.   They exist because this was a trade route to the Baltic Sea
and to Scandinavia and Northern Europe.    This is how Damascus steel made its way to Europe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfberht_swords

So the Russian Empire and Soviet Union era ports are not relevant to my point.    My point is that the Baltic statelets depend on
trade for their very history. Pissing on Russia basically killed the historic trade through its territory for which they owe their
existence. Of course, later economic development dilutes this dependence. Nevertheless, they are demented chutzpah monkeys.

Only a full bore retard would think that Russia
couldn't build its own ports and the necessary infrastructure.

And that is the core...

Russia is not doing what we tell them, or is not behaving the way we want them to behave, so what do they need from us and what can we stop that wont hurt us more than it hurt them.

For instance they wont ban the western use of Russian Titanium... they need it for their aircraft and aerospace programme... they wont ban Russian Rocket motors either because they need those too... but composite structures for wings of Russian aircraft projects, engines from the Ukraine... that is easy and doesn't hurt the US at all... all sorts of things they have stopped over the years to force the Russians to comply.... and so far they have not.

In fact some of their responses have been amazing for Russia.... blocking food trade from the EU for instance has had a massive effect on agriculture in Russia.

If everything had come at once it might have been shocking and much more crippling, but the delays and time mean they have been taking these blows and developing thicker skin to weather the impact and have become battle hardened and much much stronger and more independent.

What they need to do now is reach out to other countries on the receiving end of this crap from the west (they all do it and have always done it... Trump just does it out in the open via Twitter and does not hide it....)

Reaching out to other countries offering to help them with real trade where Russia does not demand law changes to allow their big companies to go in and take the whole market and destroy or buy up any competition means those countries can grow and develop too... linking these countries together and growing together is their best way forward and a real alternative to being a dog at the floor of the table where the US eats knowing the food is produced by you but you only get the crumbs....

Now even if the situation would change and a prorussian government would appear in Latvia and Lithuania it is too late. Russia has spent too much money building and improving its own ports, rail systems, roads ,etc.

The ship has sailed and the damage is done... but more importantly an about face means nothing... the next election they could do another about face again so it would not make any sense to support them or invest in their country.

At best some traffic might be diverted their way, but nothing like previous levels... they would still have to downsize...

Another candidate for the economics Darwin Award is Latvia. Latvia's dairy production was mostly for export to Russia.
But Latvia's svidomite regime was endlessly bellicose in its demands for sanctions on Russia. So Russia has shifted its
consumption to domestic producers (which it has the right to de regardless of any foreign "obligations"). So now Latvia
is demanding that Russia restore its purchases. The Latvian clowns not only live in cloud kookoo land, it is situated
in another dimension.

The US protectorate Japan is going off the plantation by shipping some of its production through Russia. The cost
is half of that through the Suez Canal. We see another reason for all the anti-Russian hysteria from NATzO. Russia
cannot be allowed to be a transport route even it saves shippers enormous amounts of money. American mafiosi need
their rackets in Suez intact.

Belarus finally deprived the Baltics of revenues from the transit of oil products, Minsk and Moscow signed an agreement on the transshipment of oil through Russian ports.

https://en.topwar.ru/180133-pribaltika-ostaetsja-bez-belorusskogo-tranzita-perevalka-nefti-pojdet-cherez-rossijskie-porty.html

I searched around and couldn't find where the baltics threads are. Move if necessary

Anyway there seems to be a bit of a thaw in the Baltics. Some of these ppl are starting to realize that they are just being used and abused as pawns for the US. And it doesn't serve their countries interest at all. Just a little bit of positive news. This is basically anti Russia regime change rhetoric. That is not what their masters want to hear.


Estonian President Kersti Kaljulaid has urged EU diplomats to pursue more constructive relationships with Moscow, dealing with Russia "as it is" rather than how they want it to be. She insists that doing so need not be at the expense of their ‘values’.

Notably, @IlvesToomas
successor as Estonian President, Kersti Kaljulaid, abandoned his hardline position towards Moscow & moved towards dialogue. A former US state-run @RFERL
staffer, Ilves policy on Russia closely aligned with US interests, achieving nothing of note for Estonia

Reality has a tendency to keep ambitions down. I hope these countries settle down and stop being foaming at the mouth
enemies of Russia. But they have thoroughly discredited themselves and it will take a long time for them to restore any
credibility.

The irony will be all their anti Putin BS starts to get traction and he is replaced... democratically... by a racist Xenophobic gay hating nationalist who decides to punish the EU and the west every chance he gets and starts murdering enemies in the west with poison and starts regime change programmes in western countries to stir up racial and national issues.... you know... starts doing to the west what the west does to everyone else... at a time when the west is mellowing and trying to be friendly... I think that would be very funny.

kvs wrote:Reality has a tendency to keep ambitions down.   I hope these countries settle down and stop being foaming at the mouth
enemies of Russia.   But they have thoroughly discredited themselves and it will take a long time for them to restore any
credibility.

Sorry there can't be any thawing of relations with these goose-stepping, Heinrich Himmler/Joseph Goebbels mimicking, Nazi worshiping clowns and their ethnic cleansing of their Russian minority. Once their societies eventually implode, there's going to be long lines of politicians trying to make the 'cut' to join the guillotine club.

Backman wrote:I searched around and couldn't find where the baltics threads are.

really?

Russia and the Baltic States

George1 wrote:

Backman wrote:I searched around and couldn't find where the baltics threads are.

really?

Russia and the Baltic States

Ah. I knew there was one. I was looking in CIS issues. Then the NATO threads. Then Russia general

The diplomats of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Slovakia have been declared persona non grata and must leave the territory of Russia. This is reported by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

https://en.topwar.ru/182490-chetyre-diplomata-iz-latvii-litvy-i-jestonii-objavleny-personami-non-grata.html

Baltic countries starts talks on Russian electricity import increase — operator

According to spokesperson of Estonia’s Elering Ain Koster, Estonia and Latvia earlier reduced the volume of trade with Russia on the basis of Lithuania’s desires

TALLINN, December 7. /TASS/. Baltic States have started negotiations on the increase of electricity import from Russia and Belarus, spokesperson of Estonia’s Elering Ain Koster told ERR news portal on Tuesday.

"We can currently say that we have been in contact with Lithuanian colleagues [in respect of higher electricity import from Belarus and Russia - TASS] and this contact will continue intensively over the coming days," the spokesperson said.

Estonia and Latvia reduced the volume of trade with Russia on the basis of Lithuania’s desires, Koster said. "And now we are discussing if we can turn on the tap a little, so to speak. But we cannot say what the exact numbers are yet, those are still being discussed," he added.

Lithuania made the decision in September 2021 to limit throughput capacity at connections with Belarus, to prevent Belarusian Nuclear Power Plant’s electricity from entering the Baltic countries’ market.

https://tass.com/economy/1372133

They were practically crapping in their underwear trumpeting how they were setting themselves free from evil Russian energy
and now they are running back and begging for more. Maybe they should first demand that the f*cktards in Bruxelles sanction
Russia into supplying more energy.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-05-14/you-never-know-baltics-rush-to-end-reliance-on-russian-power-grid

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-baltics-energy-eu-russia-idUSKBN1JO15Q

I wouldn't give them shit honestly. I Would tell them to freeze due to their constant anti Russian hysteria and funding of anti russian activity.

Sell them more electricity and take their money, who cares what they say?

GarryB wrote:Sell them more electricity and take their money, who cares what they say?

It isn't what they say. It's what they do.