The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Back to MH-17, John Helmer has released a new thread on the background to the rules surrounding the investigation and the difficulties following the release by Australian coroners (only 25 or so fragments found) that I posted yesterday (incidentally this new thread says that the pilots sister has said that there were no fragments in his body!). Hiding the truth (my highlight), if that is the plan, in the modern Internet connected world could be tough.

The Dutch-Australian problem on November 5 became clearer a few days later, on November 14 in Melbourne, when two of the Australian pathologists and coronial court officers revealed publicly at an Asian coroners convention that there were no shrapnel wounds in the bodies of the MH1 passengers. Their report can be read here. Noone noticed the importance of the admission.

By the next month the evidence of the bodies was clearer. A Buk missile explosion, with release of more than 7,800 metal fragments raking the port (left) side of the aircraft, starting at the pilot’s cockpit and going back to Row 12, was impossible. An 8-page report commissioned by Coroner Gray and drafted for him by David Ranson, a pathologist who had been working at Hilversum and who was head of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, was sent to the Australian victims. Gray’s purpose was to identify the cause of death and help the families understand how their loved ones had died, how swiftly, and if they had been conscious of what had befallen them.

That report was released to a reporter named Carolyn Ford. She read it, and then summarized for publication. She didn’t understand the significance of what Ranson had revealed. Ranson himself was still unclear on this last month when he freely chatted. He said he had had regular debriefings and discussions with the Australian Federal Police on his findings. He denied that his use of the term “missile” in his reports meant a Buk. “Don’t confuse the meaning of the phrase, ‘missile injuries’. It means flying objects that strike the body’.” They were “rare”, Ranson has reported.

The whole thing is at http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14240

I read all the article. Part said that the pilot's body showed no signs of shrapnel or bullets, yet there is the photo of one of the pilots, not sure if captain or first-officer, with several large holes, sort of 30mm size, in his thorax. That, and other photos, were taken by a Dutch journalist at the scene before the bodies were removed, yet his photos seem to be totaly ignored by anybody from the "It was Putin" camp. I still do not understand how Australia, admittedly with twenty or so dead on MH17, seem to be controlling the investigation and ordering the Dutch and Malaysians about like servants, and to the extent that armed Australians are in Holland, wtf...   The only reason for this bizarre nonsense I can think of is that it they know it was Kiev's fault, but for political reasons cannot admit this while the junta is still in power. Maybe it had been presumed that Poroshenko would have fallen by now and disclosure of the truth would be less damaging, but as he is still thin power the nonsesne continues. I have no issues with individual Australians, but there seems to be something wrong with them collectively. All this bizarre arrogant crap with MH17, and it is still remembered that some of the worst and most butthurt posters and mods at MP were Australian.

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Back to MH-17, John Helmer has released a new thread on the background to the rules surrounding the investigation and the difficulties following the release by Australian coroners (only 25 or so fragments found) that I posted yesterday (incidentally this new thread says that the pilots sister has said that there were no fragments in his body!). Hiding the truth (my highlight), if that is the plan, in the modern Internet connected world could be tough.

The Dutch-Australian problem on November 5 became clearer a few days later, on November 14 in Melbourne, when two of the Australian pathologists and coronial court officers revealed publicly at an Asian coroners convention that there were no shrapnel wounds in the bodies of the MH1 passengers. Their report can be read here. Noone noticed the importance of the admission.

By the next month the evidence of the bodies was clearer. A Buk missile explosion, with release of more than 7,800 metal fragments raking the port (left) side of the aircraft, starting at the pilot’s cockpit and going back to Row 12, was impossible. An 8-page report commissioned by Coroner Gray and drafted for him by David Ranson, a pathologist who had been working at Hilversum and who was head of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, was sent to the Australian victims. Gray’s purpose was to identify the cause of death and help the families understand how their loved ones had died, how swiftly, and if they had been conscious of what had befallen them.

That report was released to a reporter named Carolyn Ford. She read it, and then summarized for publication. She didn’t understand the significance of what Ranson had revealed. Ranson himself was still unclear on this last month when he freely chatted. He said he had had regular debriefings and discussions with the Australian Federal Police on his findings. He denied that his use of the term “missile” in his reports meant a Buk. “Don’t confuse the meaning of the phrase, ‘missile injuries’. It means flying objects that strike the body’.” They were “rare”, Ranson has reported.

The whole thing is at http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14240

I read all the article. Part said that the pilot's body showed no signs of shrapnel or bullets, yet there is the photo of one of the pilots, not sure if captain or first-officer, with several large holes, sort of 30mm size, in his thorax. That, and other photos, were taken by a Dutch journalist at the scene before the bodies were removed, yet his photos seem to be totaly ignored by anybody from the "It was Putin" camp. I still do not understand how Australia, admittedly with twenty or so dead on MH17, seem to be controlling the investigation and ordering the Dutch and Malaysians about like servants, and to the extent that armed Australians are in Holland, wtf...   The only reason for this bizarre nonsense I can think of is that it they know it was Kiev's fault, but for political reasons cannot admit this while the junta is still in power. Maybe it had been presumed that Poroshenko would have fallen by now and disclosure of the truth would be less damaging, but as he is still in power the nonsense continues. I have no issues with individual Australians, but there seems to be something wrong with them collectively. All this bizarre arrogant crap with MH17, and it is still remembered that some of the worst and most butthurt posters and mods at MP were Australian.

Werewolf wrote:
Haven't seen such pictures of pilot injuries, could you provide a link?

Khepesh wrote:

Werewolf wrote:
Haven't seen such pictures of pilot injuries, could you provide a link?

This is the specific photo, and the rest are on this analysis by Rozhin. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2077046.html

auslander wrote:
I have always been of the opinion the the orcs shot that plane down. I have the same photo and I have the earliest photos of the left side of the cockpit, taken when the plane was still burning hard. After seeing the holes in the cockpit panel, some entrance and some exit, it gives credence to the comments of Opolchensya at the wreckage sight of the right side of the cockpit being 'drenched in blood'.

That being said, in two weeks when the dutch report is released The World will go nuts blaming Opolchensya and VVP for committing this crime when anyone with half a lick of sense can see who actually did it.

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Back to MH-17, John Helmer has released a new thread on the background to the rules surrounding the investigation and the difficulties following the release by Australian coroners (only 25 or so fragments found) that I posted yesterday (incidentally this new thread says that the pilots sister has said that there were no fragments in his body!). Hiding the truth (my highlight), if that is the plan, in the modern Internet connected world could be tough.

The Dutch-Australian problem on November 5 became clearer a few days later, on November 14 in Melbourne, when two of the Australian pathologists and coronial court officers revealed publicly at an Asian coroners convention that there were no shrapnel wounds in the bodies of the MH1 passengers. Their report can be read here. Noone noticed the importance of the admission.

By the next month the evidence of the bodies was clearer. A Buk missile explosion, with release of more than 7,800 metal fragments raking the port (left) side of the aircraft, starting at the pilot’s cockpit and going back to Row 12, was impossible. An 8-page report commissioned by Coroner Gray and drafted for him by David Ranson, a pathologist who had been working at Hilversum and who was head of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, was sent to the Australian victims. Gray’s purpose was to identify the cause of death and help the families understand how their loved ones had died, how swiftly, and if they had been conscious of what had befallen them.

That report was released to a reporter named Carolyn Ford. She read it, and then summarized for publication. She didn’t understand the significance of what Ranson had revealed. Ranson himself was still unclear on this last month when he freely chatted. He said he had had regular debriefings and discussions with the Australian Federal Police on his findings. He denied that his use of the term “missile” in his reports meant a Buk. “Don’t confuse the meaning of the phrase, ‘missile injuries’. It means flying objects that strike the body’.” They were “rare”, Ranson has reported.

The whole thing is at http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14240

I read all the article. Part said that the pilot's body showed no signs of shrapnel or bullets, yet there is the photo of one of the pilots, not sure if captain or first-officer, with several large holes, sort of 30mm size, in his thorax. That, and other photos, were taken by a Dutch journalist at the scene before the bodies were removed, yet his photos seem to be totaly ignored by anybody from the "It was Putin" camp. I still do not understand how Australia, admittedly with twenty or so dead on MH17, seem to be controlling the investigation and ordering the Dutch and Malaysians about like servants, and to the extent that armed Australians are in Holland, wtf...   The only reason for this bizarre nonsense I can think of is that it they know it was Kiev's fault, but for political reasons cannot admit this while the junta is still in power. Maybe it had been presumed that Poroshenko would have fallen by now and disclosure of the truth would be less damaging, but as he is still in power the nonsense continues. I have no issues with individual Australians, but there seems to be something wrong with them collectively. All this bizarre arrogant crap with MH17, and it is still remembered that some of the worst and most butthurt posters and mods at MP were Australian.

Vann7 wrote:and still Almaz-Antey idiots were claiming a Buk-S1 shot down the plane..
creating doubts about the Russian government investigation that said it was a plane. Putin should hang the bastard of that company who mounted the show saying an old buk missile did it..
pretty much the colonnel cassad site solved the whole crime.. it was a n SU-25 with a air to air missile. And apparently also there was 30mm cannon gun fire. too.

Putin should shot the bastard for treason and trying to align with the west fantasy tale
that Rebels did it with a buk missile.

Militarov wrote:"U.S. President Barack Obama authorized a deal to send $20 million of sophisticated radar equipment to Ukraine, Business Insider reported Wednesday. The Pentagon had been discussing the radar for months, but it wasn't until a high-profile meeting between Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin that Obama decided to finalize the deal. U.S. President Barack Obama authorized a deal to send $20 million of sophisticated radar equipment to Ukraine, Business Insider reported Wednesday. The Pentagon had been discussing the radar for months, but it wasn't until a high-profile meeting between Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin that Obama decided to finalize the deal.

The equipment to be provided by the U.S. will be AN/TPQ-36 radar systems that can target the point of origin of missiles from between 18-24 kilometers (11-15 miles) away. The equipment is so precise that it can originate the location of a missile or artillery weapon after a single shot.Nearly 75 percent of the fatalities experienced on the Ukrainian side, according Ukraine's Ministry of Defense, have been because of artillery or missile attacks, and the new radar equipment could be a game changer for the Ukrainian military. The Ukrainian military was attacked by pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass region Wednesday, the Kyiv Post reported. No fatalities have been reported from Wednesday's attack.



The U.S. decision to send the radar could have very significant consequences for the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine, some experts said. "Washington's willingness to move forward with radars sends a clear signal that the U.S. may consider sending lethal weapons should the Minsk II process fail," said Adrian Karatnycky, an analyst for the Atlantic Council, a defense and security think tank. "In the long term, the West must help Ukraine's arms industry modernize, which can be modeled on the successful efforts undertaken in Poland and other Central European states," Karatnycky said."

How many is 22mil of these radars idk, some old price from late 90s says one costs 1,5million USD, but that probably different by now.

Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/october_2015_global_defense_security_news_uk/us_to_send_20$_million_of_sophisticated_radar_an/tpq-36_to_ukraine_4011020152.html

auslander wrote:Yeah, and the good thing is a week after they go feet dry in orcland our boys will have a couple. RF doesn't need one to investigate, they've already got more than one according to rumor, but it will be nice to see one with the NAF logo on it sitting in the middle of a Donetsk square with our boys standing around it and grinning. Remember the brand new tracking system the foreigners had to abandon in Debaltsyevo? On that deal, and at least two units were left behind, I would bet someone's career took a decidedly downward turn.

I am depressed by the clinical naivety of those ask everyday, "Gennadiy, why are there no new videos or articles?, what is going on in the Republics?, is this the end of all hope?".
So I'll answer:
1. Yes, this is the end, there's nothing to film, the war is over, or, more precisely, we were forced to end it.

2. What is happening in the Republics? Everything is finished, we fought for restoration of the oligarchs neo-slave system, we were used and anybody who does not play by the system rules will be liquidated.

3. I'm going to explain points 1 and 2 (if I'm still alive) in a series of essays and analytical articles long promised to various publishers.

auslander wrote:I'm not sure about the war being over. The orcs will never do Minsk 1 or 2 agreements, ergo Novorossiya, not being particularly stupid, will not drop their guard. As far as the oligarchs are concerned, there's a lot of armed men running around up there who just won't tolerate that system any more.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

auslander wrote:I'm not sure about the war being over. The orcs will never do Minsk 1 or 2 agreements, ergo Novorossiya, not being particularly stupid, will not drop their guard. As far as the oligarchs are concerned, there's a lot of armed men running around up there who just won't tolerate that system any more.

War is not over, it is frozen. Down the line the country aka Ukraine will pull a Sukashvili and then the war will be over.