Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

I believe that is Afghanistan, the aftermath of a Taliban attack on tanker parking area.

Sorry,
this is a photo of tanks burned by taliban if afghanistan.But yea,it is something like that.
By the way,in Turkey,we think that Esad regime buys the oil from isis.This is not the propaganda,this is what people think.Interesting.Some of people in here asked me about the  Erdogan-connected company to buy oil from isis.Actually Turkey buys %95 of its oil,what can possibly buy from isis is  %5-7 at most.I don't think that Erdogan does it just for this.But maybe some smugglers,why not.
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Missile fired in Turkish airspace,but it followed the plane until Syrian space as i know.
We can know the altitute,'cos the plane was hitting with dumb bombs as i know,that requeres an almost altitude and speed.

Oguzhanoz wrote:well just facts.
they say "winners write the history". isn't it true ^^

As Hitler accomplice you deny Holocaust and genocide of Russians, Poles or Serbs right?
22 mlns Soviets citizens, 6 mlns Poles around 700,000 Serbs?

Oguzhanoz wrote:well just facts.
If you want to have a neutral perspective,only Esad regime is legal. But which legal army bombs its civilians ? that is the question.

Civilians like mercenaries from UK, NL, Belgium or France paid by Saudis and Q8? Or those who killed Russian pilot? civilians right?

Talking about civilians killed by dictators, rings the bell Turkish citizens slaughtered yb Turkish sgovt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roboski_airstrike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardin_engagement_ceremony_massacre

Oguzhanoz wrote: By the way,in Turkey,we think that Esad regime buys the oil from isis.

so in Turkey you do not know that Erdo son is running this business?


[quote="Oguzhanoz"] Missile fired in Turkish airspace,but it followed the plane until Syrian space/quote]
S-400 fired in Syria might run to Turkey then

Oguzhanoz wrote:
Every other day i see kids split,heads crushed,arms cut.I just want that stop,that is my idea.And i think Russia made the things worse.They are protecting Esad.Russia has no mercy on human life.It was same in ww2 too.Not only for the opposite,also it's own people.

Everyone here wants the war and killing to stop.
If Turkey also wants the war to stop, why does it keep supporting anti-Assad forces in their 4 year attrition war. Do you know that the vast majority of the 300,000 casualties in this war were suffered before the direct Russian intervention? Do you also know that a huge chunk of those casualties are pro-government forces and civilians killed as a result of the fighting? Does Turkey feel responsible for directly contributing to these casualties by fueling the war with a constant stream of militants and weapons?

Russia is not conducting a WW2 carpet bombing or a terror-bombing campaign in Syria. All of the Russian airstrikes that have been shown are precise and target militant infrastructure outside of population centres. I am yet to see verified claims of packed markets or civilian hospitals being specifically targeted (unlike the MSF hospital hit by US recently). In fact, most realistic estimates put the number of accidental civilian deaths as a result of collateral damage from Russian bombing to under 200. This is a far cry to the tens of thousands of dead during US actions in Iraq or Afghanistan.

First is partly political,i am sorry for those people.They were smugglers,you bad people,not terrorist.We can talk about it a lot but not with you.It is something local.
And the second one,clans killed each other,it is basically it.But yea there can be things to discuss in history.But how many people are talkin about srebrenitza for example,and the russian politics on balkans.
I don't say there is no foreign in Syrian civils,but you simply can't kill everyone who protests.

Well,Turkey is big enough to support itself. chichken is already overly priced in Turkey,thanks to you it will drop.We are a buyer.We can simply find more "seller" partners that is not the point.For example,russia is selling us 15b worth gas.Let's say,we spent a winter cold.But can Russian economy hand 15b loss in 4 months while handling a war 2000km away ?

Russia still has the mentality of 70s-80s.But world changed.and about s400
It is still in howitzer range and it is a direct hit inside the NATO zone.Maybe Turkey was all wrong about the plane hit.But If Russia hits Turkey in Turkish airspace,it is a direct issue of NATO. Well we surely will depend on NATO as you depend on Iran about syria and energy politics.

@ValkryV follow on twitter.You see +10 civilians killed every other day due to Russian strike.He supports "terrorist" but he is a source.I don't support Erdogan lol.I hate him.Yea Turkish politics in Syria is wrong,but this doesn't make Esad right.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Hi people,
I am back,i think there has been 6 pages written so far,i read it quicly,but just the ones about me.I think there has been news from Russian side.
If you have any other question,i can tell my idea from another perspective.
But i read that someone told me "troll".
Well, on my twitter following list i have people supporting isis,nusra,turkmens,Esad any many other.
What i am supporting ?
Every other day i see kids split,heads crushed,arms cut.I just want that stop,that is my idea.And i think Russia made the things worse.They are protecting Esad.Russia has no mercy on human life.It was same in ww2 too.Not only for the opposite,also it's own people.

I called you troll, because the information you offered had NOTHING to do with "logic". It defied what your own government claimed at the UN. It failed even to get the basics right.

So to resume.

1. AIM9X - Possible, but surely not 100% (Your own MOD said two planes fired).
2. Turkish AF didn't know who was there, false, they even lodged a protest November 20th 2015 (3 days prior) against Russia for the fact it was bombing.
3. Turkish AF warned the "SU" 10 times, still no audio of the real "warning". Su-24's were heading South anyway, they were bombing along the border, so at no point was it logical to warn them, you cold see it on your own Turkish radar image.
4. Why do they lie? It's normal because somehow, somewhere, Turks weren't themselves that day. They thought that downing a Russian jet was going to solve the Turkmen problem. Immediately after the hit, the first unintended consequence happened. The Turkmen groups killed the pilot. And filmed it. Which, already tourned sour the little propaganda stunt. Then they also revealed that the Turkmens and their FSA buttboys attacked the SAR crew. This caused two problems.

a. Russia replied in kind verbally. This was going to be paid in blood. And thus operation resumed against Turkmens.
b. Russia declared it would shoot down all planes tresspassing not part of the deconfliction agreement. While the Russians have one with Uncle Sugar, they don't with all the arabs in the Coalition.

For the rest given the list of grand achievements in terms of of human rights coming for Turkey, I'd say troll is the least I can do.

Oguzhanoz wrote:well just facts.
they say "winners write the history". isn't it true ^^ If Nazis were to be victorious,so they would write.
I heared that they are serving "Turkmens" as terrorist groups in Russia.
Well,there is a civil war in Syria and every minority is armed. We mostly know about kurdish ypg or turkmens but there are many groups fighting.Sometimes theese groups change sides. For example ypg is both supported by Russia and Usa.People are talking about a post war between arabs and kurds,because this group is trying to occupy as much ground as possible in this war.
If you want to have a neutral perspective,only Esad regime is legal. But which legal army bombs its civilians ? that is the question.

It's just hard to ignore the fact that the Turkmen forces are heavily collaborating with islamic terrorists and jihadists such as Jabhat al-Nusra, Ahrar ash-Sham and many others. There's also the way in which the Russian pilot was killed by these Turkmen forces (such things did not happen to pilots in Ukraine or Georgia war).

Good people Erdo, as good papi does everything to protect his sonny wheeling dealing with ISIS:



Erdogan has accused Russia of oil in cahoots with ISIS
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/27/erdogan1/?t

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"Russian Su-24M communications equipment blamed for shootdown

The crew of the Russian Sukhoi Su-24M 'Fencer' strike aircraft downed by Turkey on 23 November may not have been able to hear radio warnings issued by the Turkish Air Force, Russian sources tell IHS Jane's . Turkish authorities have stated that the aircraft was warned 10 times within a five-minute period. However, the surviving crewmember told Russian media on 25 November that he and the aircraft commander, who was shot from the ground while parachuting, did not receive the signal.

Russian specialists familiar with the R-862 model VHF radio installed on the Su-24M say it requires an optional add-on receiver module in order to receive emergency channel transmissions in the ultra-high frequency (UHF) and very high frequency (VHF) bands."

Source: http://www.janes.com/article/56295/russian-su-24m-communications-equipment-blamed-for-shootdown?from_rss=1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed



Component parts:
• transceiver;
• receiver (with VHF/UHF emergency receivers or without them

);
• shock mount;
• matching unit;
• control consoles (varied versions of the control consoles with a frequency selector or preset tuner).

Source: http://www.yarz.ru/prod_r862me.html

Ok it is my turn,but no fanboying please ^^
1. so i am wrong,i just told the knowledge we have so far.But one was inside of the airspace.Maybe Airforce planned the shoot down one of the planes and waited for it to enter the airspace.
2.Yea Turkish side protested,because Turkmens there is what we care at first place.
For the other numbers : It is politics.Maybe this is what planned.Making Russia to enter a war that it can never win.We know that in syria,now or later,rebels will win.Because it is on enormous numbers today.If Russia and iran goes,Esad can not hold one week.Nobody can hold a war far away.Russia hold sivastopol which is a big naval base and nobody could do anything about it.I think politics can not hold this much.

Yea turkmens and nusra is in close relationship.Because they both fight against Esad and Pyd.Nobody likes Nusra,actually we don't even know them and we only care turkmens just because they are Turks and fighting against Esad.Actually the relation between Syria and Turkey was never good.Syria always supported Pkk and we were close to war at the end of 90s.

Everybody in here talks about Erdogan,Erdogan.Just because they only know it,but it is only one thing in Turkey.Clearly he is not a Putin for us.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Sorry,
this is a photo of tanks burned by taliban if afghanistan.But yea,it is something like that.
By the way,in Turkey,we think that Esad regime buys the oil from isis.This is not the propaganda,this is what people think.Interesting.Some of people in here asked me about the  Erdogan-connected company to buy oil from isis.Actually Turkey buys %95 of its oil,what can possibly buy from isis is  %5-7 at most.I don't think that Erdogan does it just for this.But maybe some smugglers,why not.
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Missile fired in Turkish airspace,but it followed the plane until Syrian space as i know.
We can know the altitute,'cos the plane was hitting with dumb bombs as i know,that requeres an almost altitude and speed.

I am pretty sure that all "neighbours" of IS (i.e. Turkey, Syria, Iraq) end up using oil originating from these terrorists. The volume of trade is important here. At the G20 summit in Turkey, Putin showed documentary evidence of a huge column of tanker trucks many kilometres long and heading to Turkey (we have also seen US and Russian airstrikes against such columns). Why do you think that the majority of experts seem to think that the majority of illicit oil and artefact trade goes through Turkey? Is this just coincidence?
The Turkish side does not seem to be too concerned about finding these columns or are simply unaware of them. Either way, this is not an optimal situation for US, France, and Russia, who are now actively trying to eradicate this oil trade. Instead, the Turkish efforts at combating oil smugglers seem to be only effective on the border with Kurdish controlled areas around Rojava, rather than the IS-occupied area around Jarablus.

Acheron wrote:

Oguzhanoz wrote:Sorry,
this is a photo of tanks burned by taliban if afghanistan.But yea,it is something like that.
By the way,in Turkey,we think that Esad regime buys the oil from isis.This is not the propaganda,this is what people think.Interesting.Some of people in here asked me about the  Erdogan-connected company to buy oil from isis.Actually Turkey buys %95 of its oil,what can possibly buy from isis is  %5-7 at most.I don't think that Erdogan does it just for this.But maybe some smugglers,why not.
+
Missile fired in Turkish airspace,but it followed the plane until Syrian space as i know.
We can know the altitute,'cos the plane was hitting with dumb bombs as i know,that requeres an almost altitude and speed.

I am pretty sure that all "neighbours" of IS (i.e. Turkey, Syria, Iraq) end up using oil originating from these terrorists. The volume of trade is important here. At the G20 summit in Turkey, Putin showed documentary evidence of a huge column of tanker trucks many kilometres long and heading to Turkey (we have also seen US and Russian airstrikes against such columns). Why do you think that the majority of experts seem to think that the majority of illicit oil and artefact trade goes through Turkey? Is this just coincidence?
The Turkish side does not seem to be too concerned about finding these columns or are simply unaware of them. Either way, this is not an optimal situation for US, France, and Russia, who are now actively trying to eradicate this oil trade. Instead, the Turkish efforts at combating oil smugglers seem to be only effective on the border with Kurdish controlled areas around Rojava, rather than the IS-occupied area around Jarablus.

Can we forget about this when it changes?

PapaDragon wrote:
BTW, I've been meaning to ask this 46 pages ago:

Why do we have separate tread for this?

Check who the tread starter is here. This entire tread had different name originally and was basically lame attempt at justifying open military support for ISIS created by some Midnight Express Pleasure-boy.

Su-24 ambush by turks occurred as part of Syrian War and Russian military support for Syria. We have treads for those already.

Mod should close down this  sh*t fest.

I actually think of this thread as the place to vent and go off tangents, while the other ones seem to be reserved for more news and other factual discussions.

Maybe this thread could be merged with one of the other ones?

Militarov wrote:[i]"Russian Su-24M communications equipment blamed for shootdown

We know that's BS because Hmeymim airbase and the second Su-24 did not register any warnings on the agreed-upon frequency. What is the chance that 3 out of 3 receivers just malfunctioned at the same time?
The Russian tracking data shows that this was clearly an ambush on Syrian territory. Also, the turks refused to release detailed data of the intercept + warning message to the Russians and denied the validity of the purported warning message leaked online. Is it me, or is something fishy?

Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

Acheron wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"Russian Su-24M communications equipment blamed for shootdown

We know that's BS because Hmeymim airbase and the second Su-24 did not register any warnings on the agreed-upon frequency. What is the chance that 3 out of 3 receivers just malfunctioned at the same time?
The Russian tracking data shows that this was clearly an ambush on Syrian territory. Also, the turks refused to release detailed data of the intercept + warning message to the Russians and denied the validity of the purported warning message leaked online. Is it me, or is something fishy?

No, no, check the rest of the post. It seems R-862 model that SU24M had was VHF only.

PapaDragon wrote:
BTW, I've been meaning to ask this 46 pages ago:

Why do we have separate tread for this?

Check who the tread starter is here. This entire tread had different name originally and was basically lame attempt at justifying open military support for ISIS created by some Midnight Express Pleasure-boy.

Su-24 ambush by turks occurred as part of Syrian War and Russian military support for Syria. We have treads for those already.

Mod should close down this  sh*t fest.

hell no,, this is a really Stupid topic ..we dont want the Turkish Terrorist to start poisoning the informative thread about Syrian civil war.. if anything mustafa should be banned since he have been justifying and defending the support of its government and this topic closed.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

"we shot your plane down and you just cried" You would prefer Russia made retalliation airstrikes? Are you trying to say that? Also fix your english or stop posting seriously dont you have fkn schools in Turkey.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Ok it is my turn,but no fanboying please ^^
1. so i am wrong,i just told the knowledge we have so far.But one was inside of the airspace.Maybe Airforce planned the shoot down one of the planes and waited for it to enter the airspace.
2.Yea Turkish side protested,because Turkmens there is what we care at first place.
For the other numbers : It is politics.Maybe this is what planned.Making Russia to enter a war that it can never win.We know that in syria,now or later,rebels will win.Because it is on enormous numbers today.If Russia and iran goes,Esad can not hold one week.Nobody can hold a war far away.Russia hold sivastopol which is a big naval base and nobody could do anything about it.I think politics can not hold this much.

Yea turkmens and nusra is in close relationship.Because they both fight against Esad and Pyd.Nobody likes Nusra,actually we don't even know them and we only care turkmens just because they are Turks and fighting against Esad.Actually the relation between Syria and Turkey was never good.Syria always supported Pkk and we were close to war at the end of 90s.

Everybody in here talks about Erdogan,Erdogan.Just because they only know it,but it is only one thing in Turkey.Clearly he is not a Putin for us.

Well there you go, you admit it.

Your beloved turkmen are collaborating (at the very least) with terrorists, whether they like them or not is irrelevant and while they are buddying up to them they are going to continue to get bombed and killed.

The only way they can avoid being destroyed is to stop aiding and collaborating with terrorists, begin a ceasefire with the SAA and give them back control of the border.

Anything else is just going to bring them destruction, and there really is not much they can do about it.

They would also do well to stop committing war crimes and filming them and then cutting the heads of dead pilots, and give up the animals that did this. Maybe then they will look a lot less like terrorists than they do. At the moment.

And no, i dont think any of the above will happen, so better be prepared for more moderate air strikes.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

No they didnt just cry, they are bombing the fuck of your terrorist friends.

The only people crying now are erDOGan and his family as they see their projects go up in smoke.